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Top G5 Champ To Be in Either Peach or Fiesta
Cotton Bowl is out per McMurphy.

The highest ranked Group of 5 champion will either play in the Fiesta or Peach Bowl this season and not the Cotton Bowl.
All three bowls are supposed to be the options for the top Group of 5 champ, but the Cotton will not be considered because it will host the Group of 5 champion after the 2019 season.
This is significant news for fans of teams in the running for the New Year's 6 bid. Nearing the midpoint of the season, San Diego State of the Mountain West and UCF, USF and Navy of the American are currently the most-likely candidates for the Group of 5 New Year's 6 bowl bid.
Executive director Bill Hancock told me the College Football Playoff prefers not to send a Group of 5 team to the same bowl twice in a three-year cycle. This is the first-year of the three-year cycle. After next season, the Fiesta or Peach would host the Group of 5 champion, with the Cotton Bowl locked in for the Group of 5 champion after the 2019 regular season.



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Pretty sure we already knew this from the first three-year cycle.
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Does that mean they will pick one of these bowls first, and then will decide which G5 team goes, or will they decide which bowl when they know if it's an eastern or western champ who will represent the G5?
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So a fan of SDSU or USF/UCF, likely living in southern California or Florida, will have to travel to Phoenix or Atlanta, instead of Dallas, in January.

Don't think it's going to matter much.
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I could never see myself excited about going to a football game in Arizona to play the second or third best team in some conference. I really wish we would just get rid of the NY6 bowls and have another round of playoff games.
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Well yeah, as a USC fan that makes sense. For an SDSU fan though, this would be their Western Michigan moment.

Then their coaching staff gets hired off to some P5 program, and SDSU returns to obscurity. 04-cheers
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Personally, I think it makes more sense to see who the G5 rep is before deciding what bowl they should go to. Geography matters.
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(10-12-2017 11:55 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well yeah, as a USC fan that makes sense. For an SDSU fan though, this would be their Western Michigan moment.

Then their coaching staff gets hired off to some P5 program, and SDSU returns to obscurity. 04-cheers

Rocky Long is 67 years old. Not exactly PJ Fleck.
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(10-12-2017 11:56 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Personally, I think it makes more sense to see who the G5 rep is before deciding what bowl they should go to. Geography matters.

Ha! This is America, remember. Every individual entity is trying to maximize their own individual profit, even (and especially) at the expense of other individuals. Trying to maximize a collective profit via central planning is viewed with extreme contempt.
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One other point, it is possible for 2 so called G5 teams to be placed in NY6 bowls by the committee and this is the year it could happen. The bowls do not choose the teams. If both SDSU and the American champ are ranked in the top12, then they likely will HAVE to be both be placed in NY6 bowls. The at large pool comes from the highest ranked available teams from the CFP rankings, and there are 5 at large spots
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(10-12-2017 12:09 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  One other point, it is possible for 2 so called G5 teams to be placed in NY6 bowls by the committee and this is the year it could happen. The bowls do not choose the teams. If both SDSU and the American champ are ranked in the top12, then they likely will HAVE to be both be placed in NY6 bowls. The at large pool comes from the highest ranked available teams from the CFP rankings, and there are 5 at large spots

That sounds highly unlikely.
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(10-12-2017 11:56 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Personally, I think it makes more sense to see who the G5 rep is before deciding what bowl they should go to. Geography matters.

Geography matters to the team that has to travel, but what matters to the NY6 bowls is NOT getting stuck with the G5 rep more than once every three years.

And what matters to the bowls matters more to the powers running this show than what the G5 champ fan base would prefer with regards to travel. 07-coffee3
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(10-12-2017 12:30 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 12:09 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  One other point, it is possible for 2 so called G5 teams to be placed in NY6 bowls by the committee and this is the year it could happen. The bowls do not choose the teams. If both SDSU and the American champ are ranked in the top12, then they likely will HAVE to be both be placed in NY6 bowls. The at large pool comes from the highest ranked available teams from the CFP rankings, and there are 5 at large spots

That sounds highly unlikely.

It is very unlikely, but as BFIT said, it is possible.

I'd say it's as about as unlikely as UCLA rallying to beat TAMU was when they were down 44-10 or whatever the score was.

But it could happen. 07-coffee3
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(10-12-2017 12:30 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 12:09 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  One other point, it is possible for 2 so called G5 teams to be placed in NY6 bowls by the committee and this is the year it could happen. The bowls do not choose the teams. If both SDSU and the American champ are ranked in the top12, then they likely will HAVE to be both be placed in NY6 bowls. The at large pool comes from the highest ranked available teams from the CFP rankings, and there are 5 at large spots

That sounds highly unlikely.

Happened in 2009, though I think choices were limited. Without doing a bunch of research, my recollection is that TCU was the highest ranked non-AQ champ and was ranked ahead of an AQ champ, so they were automatic. Then the Fiesta Bowl was left with picking from teams in the Top 14 whose conference didn't have 2 BCS bids already. My recollection is that left Boise, BYU (MWC #2), and Virginia Tech with 3 losses available for selection.

So it definitely can happen, but it takes a good amount of chaos from the other conferences. Basically, SDSU and UCF/USF can both get in if they finish undefeated with high rankings and there's a bunch of 3 loss P5 teams otherwise...the committee will probably value an undefeated season in the AAC over a 3-loss season somewhere else, but we'll see.
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if both SDSU and AAC champ are undefeated, they are both going to be pretty high up there. Right now there are only 24 P5(plus ND) teams that have 0-1 losses. with still half the season to go. If both are in the top 12, they must go to the NY6 bowls.
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(10-12-2017 01:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  if both SDSU and AAC champ are undefeated, they are both going to be pretty high up there. Right now there are only 24 P5(plus ND) teams that have 0-1 losses. with still half the season to go. If both are in the top 12, they must go to the NY6 bowls.

But that is a tall task, for both to go undefeated. Even a single loss is almost guaranteed to knock either out of the top 12.

Look at last year, Boise was up to #19 at 10-1 and Houston was #20 at 9-2. Both lost the last game, and Boise dropped completely out of the top 25 while Houston went down to #24. A single loss sends you tumbling.
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(10-12-2017 01:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  if both SDSU and AAC champ are undefeated, they are both going to be pretty high up there. Right now there are only 24 P5(plus ND) teams that have 0-1 losses. with still half the season to go. If both are in the top 12, they must go to the NY6 bowls.

The thing is, though, the final rankings aren't made by a computer that doesn't know who the teams are. It's made by the CFP committee, who knows exactly who they are, and also who the big bowls want to see in the big games.

To me, it seems very unlikely that if say UCF is the highest-ranked G5 team, and it comes down to say 12-0 SDSU and 10-2 Ohio State for the #12 position, that the committee will vote SDSU over Ohio State. And if SDSU is the auto-team and it's 12-0 UCF vs 10-2 Ohio State, UCF won't get voted in either.

That just isn't going to happen, and that's what it probably will come down to. And if it's not Ohio State, it will be USC or Penn State or Auburn or some other team with a big name, and the same thing will happen.
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It's likely the Fiesta this year.
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(10-12-2017 01:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 01:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  if both SDSU and AAC champ are undefeated, they are both going to be pretty high up there. Right now there are only 24 P5(plus ND) teams that have 0-1 losses. with still half the season to go. If both are in the top 12, they must go to the NY6 bowls.

The thing is, though, the final rankings aren't made by a computer that doesn't know who the teams are. It's made by the CFP committee, who knows exactly who they are, and also who the big bowls want to see in the big games.

To me, it seems very unlikely that if say UCF is the highest-ranked G5 team, and it comes down to say 12-0 SDSU and 10-2 Ohio State for the #12 position, that the committee will vote SDSU over Ohio State. And if SDSU is the auto-team and it's 12-0 UCF vs 10-2 Ohio State, UCF won't get voted in either.

That just isn't going to happen, and that's what it probably will come down to. And if it's not Ohio State, it will be USC or Penn State or Auburn or some other team with a big name, and the same thing will happen.

The funny thing to me is, the G5 games are actually more compelling TV matchups than some 3rd place P5 vs a 2nd place P5. The ratings might not prove me correct, and that's fine, but I still think they're more compelling TV.

But they're much worse, usually, for the bowl game itself, as the G5 fans, usually, don't buy as many tickets, airline seats, hotel rooms, etc. And what the bowls want, still matters in the system.
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(10-12-2017 01:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 01:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  if both SDSU and AAC champ are undefeated, they are both going to be pretty high up there. Right now there are only 24 P5(plus ND) teams that have 0-1 losses. with still half the season to go. If both are in the top 12, they must go to the NY6 bowls.

The thing is, though, the final rankings aren't made by a computer that doesn't know who the teams are. It's made by the CFP committee, who knows exactly who they are, and also who the big bowls want to see in the big games.

To me, it seems very unlikely that if say UCF is the highest-ranked G5 team, and it comes down to say 12-0 SDSU and 10-2 Ohio State for the #12 position, that the committee will vote SDSU over Ohio State.

That just isn't going to happen, and that's what it probably will come down to. And if it's not Ohio State, it will be USC or Penn State or Auburn or some other team with a big name, and the same thing will happen.

but the odds are strong that it won't be an 10-2 team. It would be more like a 9-3 team. I mean last year, there were only 8 0-2 loss p5 teams. Western Michigan was #15 from a mediocre at best MAC. 2 years ago 13 0-2 loss p5 teams. Houston was #18 with 1 loss. 3 years ago- 8 0-2 loss p5 teams. Boise was #20 with 2 losses.

So in the 3 years had 29 0-2 loss p5 teams- or average of 9.67 per year. And there gets to be a pretty big difference between an undefeted team and a 3 loss team.
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