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RE: OT: Tide Light Rail Expansion
(03-23-2018 11:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
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(03-23-2018 11:19 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Has the city made a decision on which western route they are going to endorse before the next study to compare it to the eastern route.

Damn I hope this thing goes to ODU. Would be so stupid otherwise.

As soon as I hear anything or it's made public, I will post it.

As a homeowner of the west side, I hope it goes through ODU. Also, the people who are more likely to use it live on the west side of the city. But development is a major factor and there are a lot more opportunities on the east side of the city.

I think that's debatable. there is a ton of opportunity along 26th and 27th streets between monticello and hampton blvd. that whole area could be transformed. Good luck getting developers to try to convince people that military hwy area is getting better when if you look around. Its clearly not.

Considering development would be doubling down on stupid. That is exactly the argument they used to sell the starter line and that hasn't spurred any development. They need to build it for the residents to have riders or they need to tear the thing down and save the money.

There are at least 7 new apartment buildings downtown since the starter line was finished. The Bank of America building was just turned into The Icon. There's another loft apartment complex in Fort Norfolk/Atlantic City. The Main/Hilton. The Wells Fargo building. Major investment to renovating the Mariott. Waterside. Then there is the arts district which was just a sad street before and now it has 2 apartment buildings going up and host to a bunch of active businesses. Selden Arcade has new life.

To say there is no development is to ignore the revitalization of Granby Street and downtown norfolk.
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RE: OT: Tide Light Rail Expansion
(03-23-2018 11:50 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:39 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:30 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:19 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Has the city made a decision on which western route they are going to endorse before the next study to compare it to the eastern route.

Damn I hope this thing goes to ODU. Would be so stupid otherwise.

As soon as I hear anything or it's made public, I will post it.

As a homeowner of the west side, I hope it goes through ODU. Also, the people who are more likely to use it live on the west side of the city. But development is a major factor and there are a lot more opportunities on the east side of the city.

I think that's debatable. there is a ton of opportunity along 26th and 27th streets between monticello and hampton blvd. that whole area could be transformed. Good luck getting developers to try to convince people that military hwy area is getting better when if you look around. Its clearly not.

It's not that debatable. You're talking about maybe 10 city blocks, with a lot of it either being industrial or residential. Military highway offers miles of development in an area that doesn't have the flood risks the west side presents.

Developers are already building there too. Sentara is building their cancer center at Sentara Leigh. The outlet mall is right off military on Northampton. Ikea opens next year. There have been a lot of smaller projects on Military from the area of Lowes to Home Depot.

Yeah, these are good points.
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RE: OT: Tide Light Rail Expansion
(03-23-2018 11:50 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:39 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:30 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:19 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Has the city made a decision on which western route they are going to endorse before the next study to compare it to the eastern route.

Damn I hope this thing goes to ODU. Would be so stupid otherwise.

As soon as I hear anything or it's made public, I will post it.

As a homeowner of the west side, I hope it goes through ODU. Also, the people who are more likely to use it live on the west side of the city. But development is a major factor and there are a lot more opportunities on the east side of the city.

I think that's debatable. there is a ton of opportunity along 26th and 27th streets between monticello and hampton blvd. that whole area could be transformed. Good luck getting developers to try to convince people that military hwy area is getting better when if you look around. Its clearly not.

It's not that debatable. You're talking about maybe 10 city blocks, with a lot of it either being industrial or residential. Military highway offers miles of development in an area that doesn't have the flood risks the west side presents.

Developers are already building there too. Sentara is building their cancer center at Sentara Leigh. The outlet mall is right off military on Northampton. Ikea opens next year. There have been a lot of smaller projects on Military from the area of Lowes to Home Depot.

I pointed out one location that needs it the most but its much more than 10 blocks. All of monticello and hampton blvd south of ODU need development. As well as Hampton Blvd north of ghent. It also connects the Navy base at a the main entrance. The west route connects at a terrible location that no one uses. From a developer standpoint, its more of a sure bet developing around a light rail on the ODU alignment vs an alignment on military hwy. Maybe things are better than they used to be but they are still bad. The west side already has a lot going for it. The east side is starting from scratch, and its a real hit or miss. I don't think Norfolk can afford to botch this one.
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RE: OT: Tide Light Rail Expansion
(03-23-2018 12:02 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:50 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:39 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:30 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:19 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Has the city made a decision on which western route they are going to endorse before the next study to compare it to the eastern route.

Damn I hope this thing goes to ODU. Would be so stupid otherwise.

As soon as I hear anything or it's made public, I will post it.

As a homeowner of the west side, I hope it goes through ODU. Also, the people who are more likely to use it live on the west side of the city. But development is a major factor and there are a lot more opportunities on the east side of the city.

I think that's debatable. there is a ton of opportunity along 26th and 27th streets between monticello and hampton blvd. that whole area could be transformed. Good luck getting developers to try to convince people that military hwy area is getting better when if you look around. Its clearly not.

It's not that debatable. You're talking about maybe 10 city blocks, with a lot of it either being industrial or residential. Military highway offers miles of development in an area that doesn't have the flood risks the west side presents.

Developers are already building there too. Sentara is building their cancer center at Sentara Leigh. The outlet mall is right off military on Northampton. Ikea opens next year. There have been a lot of smaller projects on Military from the area of Lowes to Home Depot.

I pointed out one location that needs it the most but its much more than 10 blocks. All of monticello and hampton blvd south of ODU need development. As well as Hampton Blvd north of ghent. It also connects the Navy base at a the main entrance. The west route connects at a terrible location that no one uses. From a developer standpoint, its more of a sure bet developing around a light rail on the ODU alignment vs an alignment on military hwy. Maybe things are better than they used to be but they are still bad. The west side already has a lot going for it. The east side is starting from scratch, and its a real hit or miss. I don't think Norfolk can afford to botch this one.

How long has it been since you were on Military? And what stretch of it were you on?
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RE: OT: Tide Light Rail Expansion
(03-23-2018 12:09 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 12:02 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:50 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:39 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:30 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  As soon as I hear anything or it's made public, I will post it.

As a homeowner of the west side, I hope it goes through ODU. Also, the people who are more likely to use it live on the west side of the city. But development is a major factor and there are a lot more opportunities on the east side of the city.

I think that's debatable. there is a ton of opportunity along 26th and 27th streets between monticello and hampton blvd. that whole area could be transformed. Good luck getting developers to try to convince people that military hwy area is getting better when if you look around. Its clearly not.

It's not that debatable. You're talking about maybe 10 city blocks, with a lot of it either being industrial or residential. Military highway offers miles of development in an area that doesn't have the flood risks the west side presents.

Developers are already building there too. Sentara is building their cancer center at Sentara Leigh. The outlet mall is right off military on Northampton. Ikea opens next year. There have been a lot of smaller projects on Military from the area of Lowes to Home Depot.

I pointed out one location that needs it the most but its much more than 10 blocks. All of monticello and hampton blvd south of ODU need development. As well as Hampton Blvd north of ghent. It also connects the Navy base at a the main entrance. The west route connects at a terrible location that no one uses. From a developer standpoint, its more of a sure bet developing around a light rail on the ODU alignment vs an alignment on military hwy. Maybe things are better than they used to be but they are still bad. The west side already has a lot going for it. The east side is starting from scratch, and its a real hit or miss. I don't think Norfolk can afford to botch this one.

How long has it been since you were on Military? And what stretch of it were you on?

I dont live in Norfolk anymore but was on Military last year. The area is still crappy. Janaf area is still a dump. No one goes to Military Circle mall (amazon is killing all malls across US). The stretch between 64 and Little Creek hasnt changed in decades. You think if the put a light rail there its going to magically transform that whole area? If im a young person moving to norfolk why the hell would I live over there?
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A Hampton Blvd or Colley Ave route would be a game changer for ODU. I honestly think it could be transformational to the student experience and very attractive for prospective students.
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RE: OT: Tide Light Rail Expansion
(03-23-2018 11:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:39 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:30 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:19 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Has the city made a decision on which western route they are going to endorse before the next study to compare it to the eastern route.

Damn I hope this thing goes to ODU. Would be so stupid otherwise.

As soon as I hear anything or it's made public, I will post it.

As a homeowner of the west side, I hope it goes through ODU. Also, the people who are more likely to use it live on the west side of the city. But development is a major factor and there are a lot more opportunities on the east side of the city.

I think that's debatable. there is a ton of opportunity along 26th and 27th streets between monticello and hampton blvd. that whole area could be transformed. Good luck getting developers to try to convince people that military hwy area is getting better when if you look around. Its clearly not.

Considering development would be doubling down on stupid. That is exactly the argument they used to sell the starter line and that hasn't spurred any development. They need to build it for the residents to have riders or they need to tear the thing down and save the money.

Being someone who has lived downtown since before The Tide existed, this is the most ridiculous, uninformed statement I have ever heard. You can argue that spending money on a lightly used light rail system as a means to spur development is not the most cost effective way to spur such development, but you cannot argue that the first phase of light rail has not ignited redevelopment.
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RE: OT: Tide Light Rail Expansion
(03-23-2018 11:50 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:39 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:30 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:19 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Has the city made a decision on which western route they are going to endorse before the next study to compare it to the eastern route.

Damn I hope this thing goes to ODU. Would be so stupid otherwise.

As soon as I hear anything or it's made public, I will post it.

As a homeowner of the west side, I hope it goes through ODU. Also, the people who are more likely to use it live on the west side of the city. But development is a major factor and there are a lot more opportunities on the east side of the city.

I think that's debatable. there is a ton of opportunity along 26th and 27th streets between monticello and hampton blvd. that whole area could be transformed. Good luck getting developers to try to convince people that military hwy area is getting better when if you look around. Its clearly not.

It's not that debatable. You're talking about maybe 10 city blocks, with a lot of it either being industrial or residential. Military highway offers miles of development in an area that doesn't have the flood risks the west side presents.

Developers are already building there too. Sentara is building their cancer center at Sentara Leigh. The outlet mall is right off military on Northampton. Ikea opens next year. There have been a lot of smaller projects on Military from the area of Lowes to Home Depot.

JANAF is also going to be redeveloped.

https://southsidedaily.com/business/2018...wner-city/
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(03-23-2018 12:22 PM)monarx Wrote:  A Hampton Blvd or Colley Ave route would be a game changer for ODU. I honestly think it could be transformational to the student experience and very attractive for prospective students.

Even more so if ODU and EVMS merge, or if NSU goes under and ODU takes over that campus.
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(03-23-2018 12:30 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:50 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:39 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:30 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:19 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Has the city made a decision on which western route they are going to endorse before the next study to compare it to the eastern route.

Damn I hope this thing goes to ODU. Would be so stupid otherwise.

As soon as I hear anything or it's made public, I will post it.

As a homeowner of the west side, I hope it goes through ODU. Also, the people who are more likely to use it live on the west side of the city. But development is a major factor and there are a lot more opportunities on the east side of the city.

I think that's debatable. there is a ton of opportunity along 26th and 27th streets between monticello and hampton blvd. that whole area could be transformed. Good luck getting developers to try to convince people that military hwy area is getting better when if you look around. Its clearly not.

It's not that debatable. You're talking about maybe 10 city blocks, with a lot of it either being industrial or residential. Military highway offers miles of development in an area that doesn't have the flood risks the west side presents.

Developers are already building there too. Sentara is building their cancer center at Sentara Leigh. The outlet mall is right off military on Northampton. Ikea opens next year. There have been a lot of smaller projects on Military from the area of Lowes to Home Depot.

JANAF is also going to be redeveloped.

https://southsidedaily.com/business/2018...wner-city/

It will take 50 years...
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(03-23-2018 11:57 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:39 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:30 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:19 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Has the city made a decision on which western route they are going to endorse before the next study to compare it to the eastern route.

Damn I hope this thing goes to ODU. Would be so stupid otherwise.

As soon as I hear anything or it's made public, I will post it.

As a homeowner of the west side, I hope it goes through ODU. Also, the people who are more likely to use it live on the west side of the city. But development is a major factor and there are a lot more opportunities on the east side of the city.

I think that's debatable. there is a ton of opportunity along 26th and 27th streets between monticello and hampton blvd. that whole area could be transformed. Good luck getting developers to try to convince people that military hwy area is getting better when if you look around. Its clearly not.

Considering development would be doubling down on stupid. That is exactly the argument they used to sell the starter line and that hasn't spurred any development. They need to build it for the residents to have riders or they need to tear the thing down and save the money.

There are at least 7 new apartment buildings downtown since the starter line was finished. The Bank of America building was just turned into The Icon. There's another loft apartment complex in Fort Norfolk/Atlantic City. The Main/Hilton. The Wells Fargo building. Major investment to renovating the Mariott. Waterside. Then there is the arts district which was just a sad street before and now it has 2 apartment buildings going up and host to a bunch of active businesses. Selden Arcade has new life.

To say there is no development is to ignore the revitalization of Granby Street and downtown norfolk.
Granby Street revitalization downtown has been going on for at least 20 years. I lived there from '02 to '07 and just as much went up in that time and there was no LRT. The Fort Norfolk, retirement community, Trader Publishing building, all the new condos in Freemason, etc all went up before LRT was anything but a pipe dream. The city pumps millions and millions down there. No evidence LRT has played any role whatsoever. You think those people are buying the overpriced condos and apartments so they can take a train to Newtown Road? Where is the development between Newtown Road and Granby? I thought millennials were going to be falling all over themselves to live there. After LRT, they still had to pump millions into Waterside, and MacArthur to keep them open just like they are going to have ot pump millions into the Janaf/Military corridor, with or without LRT. Maybe they ought to serve their citizens and let the development happen according to the market?

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(03-23-2018 12:20 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 12:09 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 12:02 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:50 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:39 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  I think that's debatable. there is a ton of opportunity along 26th and 27th streets between monticello and hampton blvd. that whole area could be transformed. Good luck getting developers to try to convince people that military hwy area is getting better when if you look around. Its clearly not.

It's not that debatable. You're talking about maybe 10 city blocks, with a lot of it either being industrial or residential. Military highway offers miles of development in an area that doesn't have the flood risks the west side presents.

Developers are already building there too. Sentara is building their cancer center at Sentara Leigh. The outlet mall is right off military on Northampton. Ikea opens next year. There have been a lot of smaller projects on Military from the area of Lowes to Home Depot.

I pointed out one location that needs it the most but its much more than 10 blocks. All of monticello and hampton blvd south of ODU need development. As well as Hampton Blvd north of ghent. It also connects the Navy base at a the main entrance. The west route connects at a terrible location that no one uses. From a developer standpoint, its more of a sure bet developing around a light rail on the ODU alignment vs an alignment on military hwy. Maybe things are better than they used to be but they are still bad. The west side already has a lot going for it. The east side is starting from scratch, and its a real hit or miss. I don't think Norfolk can afford to botch this one.

How long has it been since you were on Military? And what stretch of it were you on?

I dont live in Norfolk anymore but was on Military last year. The area is still crappy. Janaf area is still a dump. No one goes to Military Circle mall (amazon is killing all malls across US). The stretch between 64 and Little Creek hasnt changed in decades. You think if the put a light rail there its going to magically transform that whole area? If im a young person moving to norfolk why the hell would I live over there?

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(03-23-2018 12:39 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
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(03-23-2018 11:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:39 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:30 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  As soon as I hear anything or it's made public, I will post it.

As a homeowner of the west side, I hope it goes through ODU. Also, the people who are more likely to use it live on the west side of the city. But development is a major factor and there are a lot more opportunities on the east side of the city.

I think that's debatable. there is a ton of opportunity along 26th and 27th streets between monticello and hampton blvd. that whole area could be transformed. Good luck getting developers to try to convince people that military hwy area is getting better when if you look around. Its clearly not.

Considering development would be doubling down on stupid. That is exactly the argument they used to sell the starter line and that hasn't spurred any development. They need to build it for the residents to have riders or they need to tear the thing down and save the money.

There are at least 7 new apartment buildings downtown since the starter line was finished. The Bank of America building was just turned into The Icon. There's another loft apartment complex in Fort Norfolk/Atlantic City. The Main/Hilton. The Wells Fargo building. Major investment to renovating the Mariott. Waterside. Then there is the arts district which was just a sad street before and now it has 2 apartment buildings going up and host to a bunch of active businesses. Selden Arcade has new life.

To say there is no development is to ignore the revitalization of Granby Street and downtown norfolk.
Granby Street revitalization downtown has been going on for at least 20 years. I lived there from '02 to '07 and just as much went up in that time and there was no LRT. The Fort Norfolk, retirement community, Trader Publishing building, all the new condos in Freemason, etc all went up before LRT was anything but a pipe dream. The city pumps millions and millions down there. No evidence LRT has played any role whatsoever. You think those people are buying the overpriced condos and apartments so they can take a train to Newtown Road? Where is the development between Newtown Road and Granby? I thought millennials were going to be falling all over themselves to live there. After LRT, they still had to pump millions into Waterside, and MacArthur to keep them open just like they are going to have ot pump millions into the Janaf/Military corridor, with or without LRT. Maybe they ought to serve their citizens and let the development happen according to the market?

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Yeah, this is nothing remotedly close to what has happened downtown recently like Wells Fargo, Main, Icon, etc.

And to the dude about Military Highway. It is one of the highest traffic routes in the area. Stuff is going to happen there, it already has started. (look at all the newer development).

If you want to know what things are going where, look at demographics, traffic, zoning, flood maps, etc.
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(03-23-2018 11:19 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Has the city made a decision on which western route they are going to endorse before the next study to compare it to the eastern route.

Damn I hope this thing goes to ODU. Would be so stupid otherwise.

As soon as I hear anything or it's made public, I will post it.

As a homeowner of the west side, I hope it goes through ODU. Also, the people who are more likely to use it live on the west side of the city. But development is a major factor and there are a lot more opportunities on the east side of the city.

I think that's debatable. there is a ton of opportunity along 26th and 27th streets between monticello and hampton blvd. that whole area could be transformed. Good luck getting developers to try to convince people that military hwy area is getting better when if you look around. Its clearly not.

Considering development would be doubling down on stupid. That is exactly the argument they used to sell the starter line and that hasn't spurred any development. They need to build it for the residents to have riders or they need to tear the thing down and save the money.

Being someone who has lived downtown since before The Tide existed, this is the most ridiculous, uninformed statement I have ever heard. You can argue that spending money on a lightly used light rail system as a means to spur development is not the most cost effective way to spur such development, but you cannot argue that the first phase of light rail has not ignited redevelopment.

That development was well underway long before the Tide and they are having to pump millions into the area to keep it afloat, even with the Tide. If I have my house landscaped and then spend $50k on a new roof, windows, and siding and sell it, I can't claim it sold because of the landscaping.

Proponents of the Tide told us it was going to be one big beautiful "mix-use" development from downtown to Newtown Road. What happened to that?
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(03-23-2018 11:39 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  I think that's debatable. there is a ton of opportunity along 26th and 27th streets between monticello and hampton blvd. that whole area could be transformed. Good luck getting developers to try to convince people that military hwy area is getting better when if you look around. Its clearly not.

Considering development would be doubling down on stupid. That is exactly the argument they used to sell the starter line and that hasn't spurred any development. They need to build it for the residents to have riders or they need to tear the thing down and save the money.

There are at least 7 new apartment buildings downtown since the starter line was finished. The Bank of America building was just turned into The Icon. There's another loft apartment complex in Fort Norfolk/Atlantic City. The Main/Hilton. The Wells Fargo building. Major investment to renovating the Mariott. Waterside. Then there is the arts district which was just a sad street before and now it has 2 apartment buildings going up and host to a bunch of active businesses. Selden Arcade has new life.

To say there is no development is to ignore the revitalization of Granby Street and downtown norfolk.
Granby Street revitalization downtown has been going on for at least 20 years. I lived there from '02 to '07 and just as much went up in that time and there was no LRT. The Fort Norfolk, retirement community, Trader Publishing building, all the new condos in Freemason, etc all went up before LRT was anything but a pipe dream. The city pumps millions and millions down there. No evidence LRT has played any role whatsoever. You think those people are buying the overpriced condos and apartments so they can take a train to Newtown Road? Where is the development between Newtown Road and Granby? I thought millennials were going to be falling all over themselves to live there. After LRT, they still had to pump millions into Waterside, and MacArthur to keep them open just like they are going to have ot pump millions into the Janaf/Military corridor, with or without LRT. Maybe they ought to serve their citizens and let the development happen according to the market?

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Yeah, this is nothing remotedly close to what has happened downtown recently like Wells Fargo, Main, Icon, etc.

And to the dude about Military Highway. It is one of the highest traffic routes in the area. Stuff is going to happen there, it already has started. (look at all the newer development).

If you want to know what things are going where, look at demographics, traffic, zoning, flood maps, etc.

I'll rephrase... when I moved downtown it was a crime ridden dump. When I left, it was nice. This was done with a much higher percentage of private money than what is being thrown up now. All before LRT. The last 10 years didn't start as a crime ridden dump and the city wasn't throwing nearly as much money at it. They were still trying to finish turning around Ghent and Wards Corner at that time and putting a lot more money into that area.

And the new development in Military is almost all government funded either directly or through tax givaways. Whether it can be sustained without burning more money is to be seen. Downtown couldn't.
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RE: OT: Tide Light Rail Expansion
(03-23-2018 12:47 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 12:39 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:57 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:39 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  I think that's debatable. there is a ton of opportunity along 26th and 27th streets between monticello and hampton blvd. that whole area could be transformed. Good luck getting developers to try to convince people that military hwy area is getting better when if you look around. Its clearly not.

Considering development would be doubling down on stupid. That is exactly the argument they used to sell the starter line and that hasn't spurred any development. They need to build it for the residents to have riders or they need to tear the thing down and save the money.

There are at least 7 new apartment buildings downtown since the starter line was finished. The Bank of America building was just turned into The Icon. There's another loft apartment complex in Fort Norfolk/Atlantic City. The Main/Hilton. The Wells Fargo building. Major investment to renovating the Mariott. Waterside. Then there is the arts district which was just a sad street before and now it has 2 apartment buildings going up and host to a bunch of active businesses. Selden Arcade has new life.

To say there is no development is to ignore the revitalization of Granby Street and downtown norfolk.
Granby Street revitalization downtown has been going on for at least 20 years. I lived there from '02 to '07 and just as much went up in that time and there was no LRT. The Fort Norfolk, retirement community, Trader Publishing building, all the new condos in Freemason, etc all went up before LRT was anything but a pipe dream. The city pumps millions and millions down there. No evidence LRT has played any role whatsoever. You think those people are buying the overpriced condos and apartments so they can take a train to Newtown Road? Where is the development between Newtown Road and Granby? I thought millennials were going to be falling all over themselves to live there. After LRT, they still had to pump millions into Waterside, and MacArthur to keep them open just like they are going to have ot pump millions into the Janaf/Military corridor, with or without LRT. Maybe they ought to serve their citizens and let the development happen according to the market?

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Yeah, this is nothing remotedly close to what has happened downtown recently like Wells Fargo, Main, Icon, etc.

And to the dude about Military Highway. It is one of the highest traffic routes in the area. Stuff is going to happen there, it already has started. (look at all the newer development).

If you want to know what things are going where, look at demographics, traffic, zoning, flood maps, etc.

Harbors Edge is building a new tower;
http://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/lo...-497725929

CHKD is waiting for approval for a new tower;
https://pilotonline.com/news/local/healt...e0fc5.html

Cordish wants to build a tower downtown;
https://www.google.com/amp/pilotonline.c...8.amp.html

And Harvey Lindsay is studying adding a tower downtown;
http://www.virginiabusiness.com/news/art...in-norfolk
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RE: OT: Tide Light Rail Expansion
(03-23-2018 12:59 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 12:47 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 12:39 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:57 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Considering development would be doubling down on stupid. That is exactly the argument they used to sell the starter line and that hasn't spurred any development. They need to build it for the residents to have riders or they need to tear the thing down and save the money.

There are at least 7 new apartment buildings downtown since the starter line was finished. The Bank of America building was just turned into The Icon. There's another loft apartment complex in Fort Norfolk/Atlantic City. The Main/Hilton. The Wells Fargo building. Major investment to renovating the Mariott. Waterside. Then there is the arts district which was just a sad street before and now it has 2 apartment buildings going up and host to a bunch of active businesses. Selden Arcade has new life.

To say there is no development is to ignore the revitalization of Granby Street and downtown norfolk.
Granby Street revitalization downtown has been going on for at least 20 years. I lived there from '02 to '07 and just as much went up in that time and there was no LRT. The Fort Norfolk, retirement community, Trader Publishing building, all the new condos in Freemason, etc all went up before LRT was anything but a pipe dream. The city pumps millions and millions down there. No evidence LRT has played any role whatsoever. You think those people are buying the overpriced condos and apartments so they can take a train to Newtown Road? Where is the development between Newtown Road and Granby? I thought millennials were going to be falling all over themselves to live there. After LRT, they still had to pump millions into Waterside, and MacArthur to keep them open just like they are going to have ot pump millions into the Janaf/Military corridor, with or without LRT. Maybe they ought to serve their citizens and let the development happen according to the market?

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Yeah, this is nothing remotedly close to what has happened downtown recently like Wells Fargo, Main, Icon, etc.

And to the dude about Military Highway. It is one of the highest traffic routes in the area. Stuff is going to happen there, it already has started. (look at all the newer development).

If you want to know what things are going where, look at demographics, traffic, zoning, flood maps, etc.

Harbors Edge is building a new tower;
http://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/lo...-497725929

Cordish wants to build a tower downtown;
https://www.google.com/amp/pilotonline.c...8.amp.html

And Harvey Lindsay is studying adding a tower downtown;
http://www.virginiabusiness.com/news/art...in-norfolk

LRT isn't even mentioned in the 3 articles. What is mentioned is $32M out of the $40M in Waterside development was provided by the city itself. If the city is taking 80% of the risk, they could get a developer to redo Huntersville, Park Place, or Lambert's Point just as well. If the city is taking on 80% of the risk, you can have development anywhere.
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RE: OT: Tide Light Rail Expansion
(03-23-2018 01:09 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 12:59 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 12:47 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 12:39 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 11:57 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  There are at least 7 new apartment buildings downtown since the starter line was finished. The Bank of America building was just turned into The Icon. There's another loft apartment complex in Fort Norfolk/Atlantic City. The Main/Hilton. The Wells Fargo building. Major investment to renovating the Mariott. Waterside. Then there is the arts district which was just a sad street before and now it has 2 apartment buildings going up and host to a bunch of active businesses. Selden Arcade has new life.

To say there is no development is to ignore the revitalization of Granby Street and downtown norfolk.
Granby Street revitalization downtown has been going on for at least 20 years. I lived there from '02 to '07 and just as much went up in that time and there was no LRT. The Fort Norfolk, retirement community, Trader Publishing building, all the new condos in Freemason, etc all went up before LRT was anything but a pipe dream. The city pumps millions and millions down there. No evidence LRT has played any role whatsoever. You think those people are buying the overpriced condos and apartments so they can take a train to Newtown Road? Where is the development between Newtown Road and Granby? I thought millennials were going to be falling all over themselves to live there. After LRT, they still had to pump millions into Waterside, and MacArthur to keep them open just like they are going to have ot pump millions into the Janaf/Military corridor, with or without LRT. Maybe they ought to serve their citizens and let the development happen according to the market?

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Yeah, this is nothing remotedly close to what has happened downtown recently like Wells Fargo, Main, Icon, etc.

And to the dude about Military Highway. It is one of the highest traffic routes in the area. Stuff is going to happen there, it already has started. (look at all the newer development).

If you want to know what things are going where, look at demographics, traffic, zoning, flood maps, etc.

Harbors Edge is building a new tower;
http://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/lo...-497725929

Cordish wants to build a tower downtown;
https://www.google.com/amp/pilotonline.c...8.amp.html

And Harvey Lindsay is studying adding a tower downtown;
http://www.virginiabusiness.com/news/art...in-norfolk

LRT isn't even mentioned in the 3 articles. What is mentioned is $32M out of the $40M in Waterside development was provided by the city itself. If the city is taking 80% of the risk, they could get a developer to redo Huntersville, Park Place, or Lambert's Point just as well. If the city is taking on 80% of the risk, you can have development anywhere.

You said there was no development. We showed you were wrong. Now the argument is, it's not citing the Tide as the reason. The fact is Norfolk has reinvigorated downtown to the point that we have seen a lot of development and it's inspired private investment of multiple apartment buildings, corporate towers, less vacancies on granby street and the building of the neon. Waterside and the tide are both a part of that rebirth and showing to be good investments for them at this time.

As for Lambert's Point and Park Place, they already have some development projects in the pipeline. Only reason for the city to spend money there is to speed that process up. I dont follow Huntersville much but the St Paul's project should have positive impacts there as well.
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(03-23-2018 12:22 PM)monarx Wrote:  A Hampton Blvd or Colley Ave route would be a game changer for ODU. I honestly think it could be transformational to the student experience and very attractive for prospective students.

Even more so if ODU and EVMS merge, or if NSU goes under and ODU takes over that campus.

I really hope the second half of that doesn't happen. I think it would be more likely that NSU would close and the state appointed BOV would force ODU to become the "new" NSU. No thanks. They have a different mission than what ODU has. And thats fine. If EVMS came with NSU and all three merged I MIGHT be onboard, but not sure.
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RE: OT: Tide Light Rail Expansion
(03-23-2018 01:24 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 12:31 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 12:22 PM)monarx Wrote:  A Hampton Blvd or Colley Ave route would be a game changer for ODU. I honestly think it could be transformational to the student experience and very attractive for prospective students.

Even more so if ODU and EVMS merge, or if NSU goes under and ODU takes over that campus.

I really hope the second half of that doesn't happen. I think it would be more likely that NSU would close and the state appointed BOV would force ODU to become the "new" NSU. No thanks. They have a different mission than what ODU has. And thats fine. If EVMS came with NSU and all three merged I MIGHT be onboard, but not sure.

Ya I dont see much value in Norfolk States campus
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