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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
Sure, but I'd add G5 with the FCS lot, and it would look pretty much status quo.

To hear it from the Big Ten, there are some who'd just want to play only other Big Ten teams. They can try to thump their collective chests to force their will onto the rest of FBS...how's that going so far for them?

The ACC and SEC know what those fiends up along the lakes are up to.
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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
(10-12-2017 02:19 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 02:00 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 01:20 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 04:43 PM)Shox Wrote:  Not going to lie, a BiG XII with the hogs, corn and the slavers would be pretty cool. Have divisions but guarantee Arkansas an annual game with Texas and Oklahoma every year and OU/Nebraska every year and this could work. WVU and Va Tech to the SEC, UCONN to the ACC, and the Irish to the B1G.

You don't get it. Notre Dame is in New York, even it is physically in Indiana. That is why it moves from Big East to ACC. Notre Dame don't want to be defined as a Midwestern school. That is why it will never join B1G.

Well if the B1G keeps moving east...

Philly, NYC and DC are more attractive than Boston, Pittsburgh and Charlotte.

The Big Ten could be represented by schools in virtually every state of this nation. If it continues to be so insular; committed to its traditions, unwilling to give more scheduling considerations or embrace non-conference content with the autonomy it deserves, this dodge may as well go on forever.

The problem with the Big Ten to Notre Dame is that conference schedule for football is chunky and strict. It doesn't seem to give a crap for anything that isn't intra-conference. And it isn't just Notre Dame, but Stanford and USC were wise to it, too, pretty much steering B1G-PAC to the ground with just their dissenting votes alone.

Plus, it doesn't help that with the Big Ten, it shoves MAC and this home game number onto its programs to further complicate and encumber anyone who might want to align to the conference but considers outstanding relationships differently than what the conference wants.

This has happened to every Big Ten member added beyond the tenth. Penn State virtually severed itself from all of its old rivals (except for Temple, and even that game isn't annual), Nebraska didn't work out anything with their longtime mates in the near-term, Rutgers practically cut off the good things it had with the SA's, and Maryland practically nuked the ACC rivalries off the map. All four of these guys have willingly done this, to their respective detriment, imo. The conference kind of expects there to be some compromise were Notre Dame to ever align.

I don't view the "too midwestern" thing as being a conference footprint issue. It's the commitment to a thick and inflexible schedule that's too geographically minded and further complicated by outstanding arrangements, to me at least anyway.

I'd wager the above is the reason a lot of schools haven't run "to the light" the Big Ten is flashing at people. If you're UVA, you can kiss the Tobacco Road and VT games goodbye. If you're Vanderbilt, you're probably getting nudged to move your rivalry games to the opening weeks. And, even if OU is considered...you can kiss the Bedlam we all know goodbye, trying to shove it into background noise like Iowa State is to Iowa. It's not worth it.

TLDR The Big is bad because a conference school must play a conference schedule.

Did the conference keep OSU and Ou from playing? UM and UF?

The problem with Notre Dame is it wants all its "rivals" all the time. Do you know that Pitt has played more games against the Irish as anyone else? Does anyone consider them one of ND's rivals? Nope except maybe Pitt fans. BC, USC, Stanford (not really a rivalry at all), Navy etc etc etc. Notre Dame could play it's true rival USC every year as a member of any conference. They could even play Navy almost every year if not every year. Year 1 USC home, Navy away. Year 2 USC away, Navy home. See? Easy peasy.

Now PSU severing it's rivals well thats all Joe Pa and him being bitter that no one joined his conference and that the BE turned him down and invited Pitt instead. Joe Pa thought he was bigger than Pitt, WVU, Cuse and Rutgers.
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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
(10-12-2017 03:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 02:19 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 02:00 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 01:20 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 04:43 PM)Shox Wrote:  Not going to lie, a BiG XII with the hogs, corn and the slavers would be pretty cool. Have divisions but guarantee Arkansas an annual game with Texas and Oklahoma every year and OU/Nebraska every year and this could work. WVU and Va Tech to the SEC, UCONN to the ACC, and the Irish to the B1G.

You don't get it. Notre Dame is in New York, even it is physically in Indiana. That is why it moves from Big East to ACC. Notre Dame don't want to be defined as a Midwestern school. That is why it will never join B1G.

Well if the B1G keeps moving east...

Philly, NYC and DC are more attractive than Boston, Pittsburgh and Charlotte.

The Big Ten could be represented by schools in virtually every state of this nation. If it continues to be so insular; committed to its traditions, unwilling to give more scheduling considerations or embrace non-conference content with the autonomy it deserves, this dodge may as well go on forever.

The problem with the Big Ten to Notre Dame is that conference schedule for football is chunky and strict. It doesn't seem to give a crap for anything that isn't intra-conference. And it isn't just Notre Dame, but Stanford and USC were wise to it, too, pretty much steering B1G-PAC to the ground with just their dissenting votes alone.

Plus, it doesn't help that with the Big Ten, it shoves MAC and this home game number onto its programs to further complicate and encumber anyone who might want to align to the conference but considers outstanding relationships differently than what the conference wants.

This has happened to every Big Ten member added beyond the tenth. Penn State virtually severed itself from all of its old rivals (except for Temple, and even that game isn't annual), Nebraska didn't work out anything with their longtime mates in the near-term, Rutgers practically cut off the good things it had with the SA's, and Maryland practically nuked the ACC rivalries off the map. All four of these guys have willingly done this, to their respective detriment, imo. The conference kind of expects there to be some compromise were Notre Dame to ever align.

I don't view the "too midwestern" thing as being a conference footprint issue. It's the commitment to a thick and inflexible schedule that's too geographically minded and further complicated by outstanding arrangements, to me at least anyway.

I'd wager the above is the reason a lot of schools haven't run "to the light" the Big Ten is flashing at people. If you're UVA, you can kiss the Tobacco Road and VT games goodbye. If you're Vanderbilt, you're probably getting nudged to move your rivalry games to the opening weeks. And, even if OU is considered...you can kiss the Bedlam we all know goodbye, trying to shove it into background noise like Iowa State is to Iowa. It's not worth it.

TLDR The Big is bad because a conference school must play a conference schedule.

Did the conference keep OSU and Ou from playing? UM and UF?

The problem with Notre Dame is it wants all its "rivals" all the time. Do you know that Pitt has played more games against the Irish as anyone else? Does anyone consider them one of ND's rivals? Nope except maybe Pitt fans. BC, USC, Stanford (not really a rivalry at all), Navy etc etc etc. Notre Dame could play it's true rival USC every year as a member of any conference. They could even play Navy almost every year if not every year. Year 1 USC home, Navy away. Year 2 USC away, Navy home. See? Easy peasy.

Now PSU severing it's rivals well thats all Joe Pa and him being bitter that no one joined his conference and that the BE turned him down and invited Pitt instead. Joe Pa thought he was bigger than Pitt, WVU, Cuse and Rutgers.

Go on any ND website, and ask them if they consider Stanford to be a rival. Seriously, please do so. Several will tell you that it is indeed a rivalry.
Same thing with Navy. BC isn't as much of a rivalry as Stanford & USC & Navy are, but they are a rivalry. Notre Dame's only Midwestern rivals are Michigan State & Purdue. Michigan used to be a rivalry, but 'Bama will be playing Georgia Tech again on a regular basis as well with Texas playing Arkansas on a regular basis again before Notre Dame decides to ever play Michigan again long term, IMO.
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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
(10-12-2017 01:44 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 01:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(10-12-2017 08:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ark would be crazy to make the switch. Pent house to near out house.

Arkansas would never switch. This is just Stoops trolling the SEC, one of his favorite pastimes of the past few years. 07-coffee3

Exactly. Since Bob Stoops retired from coaching, not sure what his motivation is now to keep up being prickly and petty. Perhaps it is sibling rivalry.

Probably that, but also the SEC probably still sticks in his craw. The SEC dealt Stoops some very stinging defeats, including losses to LSU and Florida in BCS National Championship games, and then plus there was a humiliating humbling at the hands of Texas A&M in the 2013 Cotton Bowl as well.

Stoops got tired of hearing about SEC superiority, particularly over his Sooners, so he hit back in the press about it. To his credit, he also hit back on the field as Oklahoma beat Alabama and Auburn in the 2014 and 2017 Sugar Bowls.

Of course, those game weren't nearly as big as the two National Title games he lost, but it did save some face for him, enough to keep jabbering about the SEC.


Stoops was 6 - 2 against the old SEC teams. 3 - 0 vs Bama and 2 - 0 vs Tennessee, 1 - 0 vs Auburn. A&M was just one year out of the Big 12 where OU had dominated and even humiliated A&M so bad SI wrote an article about it, so I doubt he took that game too hard. He lost to two National Championship teams which is no disgrace. There were no other defeats.

It's no disgrace to lose national title games, but it sure does hurt. Those two losses were far, far, bigger than his wins over other SEC teams, not even close.

It's like losing two super bowls to a team while beating them six times in the regular season, nobody cares about the latter, only the former.
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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
It's all absurd anyway. Stoops just likes to talk. Arkansas isn't giving up what they have now in terms of revenue to hop to a conference that is a shadow of its former self and has one foot in the grave.

If the SEC expands from the Big 12 again they will so in part to help Missouri and Arkansas cement something better that stretches from Columbia to College Station, or maybe even a bit further South.
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That Bob Stoops is a visionary I tell you. Some one should hire him as an annalist quick. 07-coffee3
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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
The ACC South is always at tension and overlap with the SEC East. The Big 12 South is always at tension and overlap with the SEC West.

All three conferences are interested in playing each other in that overlap.
All three conferences are totally owned in media rights by ESPN.
All three conferences could conceivably (and, indeed, quite easily with some swaps to the B1G like Nebraska for Cuse/BC/ND) play under the same umbrella quite well.

It's pretty hard to see Arkansas leaving their cash cow. But I can see ESPN making the marriage work on a larger scale.
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(10-12-2017 08:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's all absurd anyway. Stoops just likes to talk. Arkansas isn't giving up what they have now in terms of revenue to hop to a conference that is a shadow of its former self and has one foot in the grave.

If the SEC expands from the Big 12 again they will so in part to help Missouri and Arkansas cement something better that stretches from Columbia to College Station, or maybe even a bit further South.
Thank you Jr. My thoughts exactly.
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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
(10-12-2017 11:22 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's all absurd anyway. Stoops just likes to talk. Arkansas isn't giving up what they have now in terms of revenue to hop to a conference that is a shadow of its former self and has one foot in the grave.

If the SEC expands from the Big 12 again they will so in part to help Missouri and Arkansas cement something better that stretches from Columbia to College Station, or maybe even a bit further South.
Thank you Jr. My thoughts exactly.

Arkansas will be to the Big XII what Army and Navy were for the Big East...that right of first refusal thing.

It was laughable after the raid that Arkansas was approached, but I get it. You ask even when you know the answer because you simply never know unless you pop that question. Now, however, it's just embarrassing.

It's a shame the Big 8 couldn't get the job done with Arkansas back in the day, but, hey, that's the price of the other seven doing business with Nebraska. And why schools there put up with their **** for so long. And then again into the Big XII.
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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
(10-12-2017 07:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 01:44 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 01:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:11 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Arkansas would never switch. This is just Stoops trolling the SEC, one of his favorite pastimes of the past few years. 07-coffee3

Exactly. Since Bob Stoops retired from coaching, not sure what his motivation is now to keep up being prickly and petty. Perhaps it is sibling rivalry.

Probably that, but also the SEC probably still sticks in his craw. The SEC dealt Stoops some very stinging defeats, including losses to LSU and Florida in BCS National Championship games, and then plus there was a humiliating humbling at the hands of Texas A&M in the 2013 Cotton Bowl as well.

Stoops got tired of hearing about SEC superiority, particularly over his Sooners, so he hit back in the press about it. To his credit, he also hit back on the field as Oklahoma beat Alabama and Auburn in the 2014 and 2017 Sugar Bowls.

Of course, those game weren't nearly as big as the two National Title games he lost, but it did save some face for him, enough to keep jabbering about the SEC.


Stoops was 6 - 2 against the old SEC teams. 3 - 0 vs Bama and 2 - 0 vs Tennessee, 1 - 0 vs Auburn. A&M was just one year out of the Big 12 where OU had dominated and even humiliated A&M so bad SI wrote an article about it, so I doubt he took that game too hard. He lost to two National Championship teams which is no disgrace. There were no other defeats.

It's no disgrace to lose national title games, but it sure does hurt. Those two losses were far, far, bigger than his wins over other SEC teams, not even close.

It's like losing two super bowls to a team while beating them six times in the regular season, nobody cares about the latter, only the former.

I believe the most recent games are the one most remembered. Sure those two losses hurt, but they were a long time ago. The recent wins against Tennessee and Sugar Bowl victories against Alabama and Auburn fit today's mentality of redemption or "what have you done lately".

However, I just wanted to set the record straight that the SEC did not have superiority over Stoops coached Sooners..... as had been stated.
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no way that Arkansas would leave the SEC
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