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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
Yeah, Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas to the SEC makes a lot more sense, if the money works. Any chance the SEC could pry away Nebraska from the B1G? Add the conference semifinals concept and this could be a fun conference:

WEST: Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Missouri, Arkansas, Kansas
SOUTH: Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Alabama, Auburn
EAST: Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky

* Go to at least a 9-game schedule, if not 10 games. Lock in the following cross-division games: Alabama-Tennessee, Auburn-Georgia, Texas-Texas A&M and perhaps LSU-Arkansas, Ole Miss-Vandy? Any others?

SEC basketball would be pretty decent too.
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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
It would make more sense for the sec to jump to 18 with Texas, Tulane, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State than create 3 pods of 6. Texas Tech might work instead of Tulane but I like Sending Texas Tech to the pac 12 with tcu to give them some of the Texas market...could also add Houston and x.
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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
(10-12-2017 08:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ark would be crazy to make the switch. Pent house to near out house.

Arkansas would never switch. This is just Stoops trolling the SEC, one of his favorite pastimes of the past few years. 07-coffee3

Exactly. Since Bob Stoops retired from coaching, not sure what his motivation is now to keep up being prickly and petty. Perhaps it is sibling rivalry.
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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
Well what would make the very most sense would be for Arkansas to hire bob stoops
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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
Hey, it works for me.

Create an ultra-super SEC that contains programs such as Texas, OU, TA&M, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, and force them all to play each other.

That’s how you guarantee that no one wins. You get a bunch of programs that have almost unlimited resources, almost unlimited thirst for wins, whose supporters accept nothing short of championships every year. And you beat the snot out of each other, week in and week it, year in and year out.

Like I said, works for me.
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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
(10-12-2017 08:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ark would be crazy to make the switch. Pent house to near out house.

Arkansas would never switch. This is just Stoops trolling the SEC, one of his favorite pastimes of the past few years. 07-coffee3

I think it was a reporter who threw the question out. What's the guy going to say? Oh man they suck no way we want them in Big XII?
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(10-12-2017 10:30 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ark would be crazy to make the switch. Pent house to near out house.

Arkansas would never switch. This is just Stoops trolling the SEC, one of his favorite pastimes of the past few years. 07-coffee3

I think it was a reporter who threw the question out. What's the guy going to say? Oh man they suck no way we want them in Big XII?

The very easy out of those types of questions is “I don’t have a comment on that.” or you go off-record.

Stoops most definitely wanted to make the comment and put it out there.
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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
(10-12-2017 10:37 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:30 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ark would be crazy to make the switch. Pent house to near out house.

Arkansas would never switch. This is just Stoops trolling the SEC, one of his favorite pastimes of the past few years. 07-coffee3

I think it was a reporter who threw the question out. What's the guy going to say? Oh man they suck no way we want them in Big XII?

The very easy out of those types of questions is “I don’t have a comment on that.” or you go off-record.

Stoops most definitely wanted to make the comment and put it out there.

All ex-coaches and players are free-er with opinions when they retire.
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(10-12-2017 10:11 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ark would be crazy to make the switch. Pent house to near out house.

Arkansas would never switch. This is just Stoops trolling the SEC, one of his favorite pastimes of the past few years. 07-coffee3

Exactly. Since Bob Stoops retired from coaching, not sure what his motivation is now to keep up being prickly and petty. Perhaps it is sibling rivalry.

Probably that, but also the SEC probably still sticks in his craw. The SEC dealt Stoops some very stinging defeats, including losses to LSU and Florida in BCS National Championship games, and then plus there was a humiliating humbling at the hands of Texas A&M in the 2013 Cotton Bowl as well.

Stoops got tired of hearing about SEC superiority, particularly over his Sooners, so he hit back in the press about it. To his credit, he also hit back on the field as Oklahoma beat Alabama and Auburn in the 2014 and 2017 Sugar Bowls.

Of course, those game weren't nearly as big as the two National Title games he lost, but it did save some face for him, enough to keep jabbering about the SEC.
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(10-11-2017 03:24 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  SEC should take Texas and Oklahoma. ACC is pretty full to take members.

Still, ACC will make room for Notre Dame when it is ready to move football to ACC.
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(10-11-2017 04:43 PM)Shox Wrote:  Not going to lie, a BiG XII with the hogs, corn and the slavers would be pretty cool. Have divisions but guarantee Arkansas an annual game with Texas and Oklahoma every year and OU/Nebraska every year and this could work. WVU and Va Tech to the SEC, UCONN to the ACC, and the Irish to the B1G.

You don't get it. Notre Dame is in New York, even it is physically in Indiana. That is why it moves from Big East to ACC. Notre Dame don't want to be defined as a Midwestern school. That is why it will never join B1G.
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(10-11-2017 04:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I've heard the legend that Arkansas once tried to join the Big 8 but never any place but message boards.).

It happened. Back in the 1970's I remember seeing Frank Broyles on a Tulsa TV station being interviewed about Arkansas joining the Big8. He said they had tried for several years, but the Big8 did not want 9 teams and the only way it could happen is if Kansas State dropped out. Kansas State was horrible back then.

Big mistake by the Big8 not taking them.
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According to Broyles, Arkansas was not in the mix for the Big 12 had they remained in the SWC:

But what if Arkansas had remained in the SWC and become part of the Big 12?

"I was told by people in the Big 12 after the fact that we would not have been included," he said. "Baylor and Texas Tech had political power. We didn't. The Big 8 was only going to take four teams from the SWC.

"I was told there was no way they'd have taken us."


https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college...rised-9212
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RE: Bob Stoops: Arkansas would be an excellent fit in the Big 12
(10-12-2017 01:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:11 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ark would be crazy to make the switch. Pent house to near out house.

Arkansas would never switch. This is just Stoops trolling the SEC, one of his favorite pastimes of the past few years. 07-coffee3

Exactly. Since Bob Stoops retired from coaching, not sure what his motivation is now to keep up being prickly and petty. Perhaps it is sibling rivalry.

Probably that, but also the SEC probably still sticks in his craw. The SEC dealt Stoops some very stinging defeats, including losses to LSU and Florida in BCS National Championship games, and then plus there was a humiliating humbling at the hands of Texas A&M in the 2013 Cotton Bowl as well.

Stoops got tired of hearing about SEC superiority, particularly over his Sooners, so he hit back in the press about it. To his credit, he also hit back on the field as Oklahoma beat Alabama and Auburn in the 2014 and 2017 Sugar Bowls.

Of course, those game weren't nearly as big as the two National Title games he lost, but it did save some face for him, enough to keep jabbering about the SEC.


Stoops was 6 - 2 against the old SEC teams. 3 - 0 vs Bama and 2 - 0 vs Tennessee, 1 - 0 vs Auburn. A&M was just one year out of the Big 12 where OU had dominated and even humiliated A&M so bad SI wrote an article about it, so I doubt he took that game too hard. He lost to two National Championship teams which is no disgrace. There were no other defeats.
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(10-12-2017 01:20 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 04:43 PM)Shox Wrote:  Not going to lie, a BiG XII with the hogs, corn and the slavers would be pretty cool. Have divisions but guarantee Arkansas an annual game with Texas and Oklahoma every year and OU/Nebraska every year and this could work. WVU and Va Tech to the SEC, UCONN to the ACC, and the Irish to the B1G.

You don't get it. Notre Dame is in New York, even it is physically in Indiana. That is why it moves from Big East to ACC. Notre Dame don't want to be defined as a Midwestern school. That is why it will never join B1G.

Well if the B1G keeps moving east...

Philly, NYC and DC are more attractive than Boston, Pittsburgh and Charlotte.
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Notre Dame, Ohio State, Texas, and Oklahoma would be great fits in the SEC
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(10-12-2017 02:00 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 01:20 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 04:43 PM)Shox Wrote:  Not going to lie, a BiG XII with the hogs, corn and the slavers would be pretty cool. Have divisions but guarantee Arkansas an annual game with Texas and Oklahoma every year and OU/Nebraska every year and this could work. WVU and Va Tech to the SEC, UCONN to the ACC, and the Irish to the B1G.

You don't get it. Notre Dame is in New York, even it is physically in Indiana. That is why it moves from Big East to ACC. Notre Dame don't want to be defined as a Midwestern school. That is why it will never join B1G.

Well if the B1G keeps moving east...

Philly, NYC and DC are more attractive than Boston, Pittsburgh and Charlotte.

The Big Ten could be represented by schools in virtually every state of this nation. If it continues to be so insular; committed to its traditions, unwilling to give more scheduling considerations or embrace non-conference content with the autonomy it deserves, this dodge may as well go on forever.

The problem with the Big Ten to Notre Dame is that conference schedule for football is chunky and strict. It doesn't seem to give a crap for anything that isn't intra-conference. And it isn't just Notre Dame, but Stanford and USC were wise to it, too, pretty much steering B1G-PAC to the ground with just their dissenting votes alone.

Plus, it doesn't help that with the Big Ten, it shoves MAC and this home game number onto its programs to further complicate and encumber anyone who might want to align to the conference but considers outstanding relationships differently than what the conference wants.

This has happened to every Big Ten member added beyond the tenth. Penn State virtually severed itself from all of its old rivals (except for Temple, and even that game isn't annual), Nebraska didn't work out anything with their longtime mates in the near-term, Rutgers practically cut off the good things it had with the SA's, and Maryland practically nuked the ACC rivalries off the map. All four of these guys have willingly done this, to their respective detriment, imo. The conference kind of expects there to be some compromise were Notre Dame to ever align.

I don't view the "too midwestern" thing as being a conference footprint issue. It's the commitment to a thick and inflexible schedule that's too geographically minded and further complicated by outstanding arrangements, to me at least anyway.

I'd wager the above is the reason a lot of schools haven't run "to the light" the Big Ten is flashing at people. If you're UVA, you can kiss the Tobacco Road and VT games goodbye. If you're Vanderbilt, you're probably getting nudged to move your rivalry games to the opening weeks. And, even if OU is considered...you can kiss the Bedlam we all know goodbye, trying to shove it into background noise like Iowa State is to Iowa. It's not worth it.
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I don't agree Bish, because I see all of the P5 confs heading towards at least 10 conference games in the regular season. They'll have to do that, in order to appease their TV partners, who are sending more and more dollars to the TV contracts.
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(10-12-2017 02:40 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I don't agree Bish, because I see all of the P5 confs heading towards at least 10 conference games in the regular season. They'll have to do that, in order to appease their TV partners, who are sending more and more dollars to the TV contracts.

That may happen, but so will a thirteenth regular season game.
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(10-12-2017 02:42 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 02:40 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I don't agree Bish, because I see all of the P5 confs heading towards at least 10 conference games in the regular season. They'll have to do that, in order to appease their TV partners, who are sending more and more dollars to the TV contracts.

That may happen, but so will a thirteenth regular season game.

Not for a P5 v P5 matchup. At best - meaning it actually gets approved - it'll be for a FCS "pre-season" game equivalent.
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