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Attendance and the FBS
I was looking through the game notes for the Buffalo game and took note of the attendance figures from our first three home games. The BC and EIU games show attendance at about 16k while the rain-soaked homecoming game came in at about 11k. The actual average is a little below 15k. We do not have any weekend home games remaining on the schedule so I do not see any way we are going to average 15k in attendance this year. I also assume that we did not average 15k last year either. My understanding is that FBS members need to average 15k in home football (paid or actual) attendance on a rolling two-year basis. I know some schools buy their own tickets or have sponsors purchase tickets in bulk in exchange for advertising opportunities. Just wondering if anyone has any intel on whether NIU is in danger of being kicked out of the FBS, or are we playing games with the "paid" attendance? I know much of the teams in the MAC are are in a similar position. Thoughts??????
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There is a lot to discuss here, for sure, but I think we all can agree unequivocally that NIU will not be kicked out of FBS for attendance reasons.
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Attendance will suck as long as the MACtion continues. It’s just a fact of life.
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If/when attendance becomes an issue for retaining FBS status, I would certainly hope that the MAC stands up for its teams since it's the MAC's fault that attendance has plummeted.
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Down the line, I can see NIU saying Nebraska is a "home game" although we will get no concessions and pay us to play them so we can count the attendance toward our total.
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(10-11-2017 09:40 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  There is a lot to discuss here, for sure, but I think we all can agree unequivocally that NIU will not be kicked out of FBS for attendance reasons.

I wish I shared your confidence. NIU's best hope for meeting this requirement is to play an early season Saturday game against a strategically chosen opponent at Soldier Field.

Playing late in the season on a cold weekday night against a MAC opponent at whatever they are calling White Sox Park these days will not work.

If NCAA decides to enforce the rule the MAC might not be able to save us from ourselves.
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(10-11-2017 12:53 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 09:40 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  There is a lot to discuss here, for sure, but I think we all can agree unequivocally that NIU will not be kicked out of FBS for attendance reasons.

I wish I shared your confidence. NIU's best hope for meeting this requirement is to play an early season Saturday game against a strategically chosen opponent at Soldier Field.

Playing late in the season on a cold weekday night against a MAC opponent at whatever they are calling White Sox Park these days will not work.

If NCAA decides to enforce the rule the MAC might not be able to save us from ourselves.

Agree. Soldier Field games must be the future.
NIU is Chicago's team. Most alumni are in the Chicago area.

Disagree about cold weekday MAC games in Chicago during exam time at NIU.
10-12-2017 09:57 AM
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Attendance at FB stadiums is an outdated indicator.
The future is revenue generated from NIU fans who tune in via radio, TV and increasingly internet.
A MAC sports channel should be considered.
I love NIU sports, but like most NIU Alumni dislike going to DeKalb.

Would rather spend money to watch NIU FB from home then travel, park and travel.
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(10-12-2017 10:02 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  Attendance at FB stadiums is an outdated indicator.
The future is revenue generated from NIU fans who tune in via radio, TV and increasingly internet.
A MAC sports channel should be considered.
I love NIU sports, but like most NIU Alumni dislike going to DeKalb.

Would rather spend money to watch NIU FB from home then travel, park and travel.

The future is engaging your fan base. The MAC does not generate a lot of TV revenue. Having your fans sit at home and watching the few games on TV and even more games on computer does not generate ticket revenue or donations. It would be interesting to see how much NIU lost in season ticket sales and donations with this year's schedule. I know they will lose me next year if this fiasco is continued.
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(10-12-2017 10:08 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:02 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  Attendance at FB stadiums is an outdated indicator.
The future is revenue generated from NIU fans who tune in via radio, TV and increasingly internet.
A MAC sports channel should be considered.
I love NIU sports, but like most NIU Alumni dislike going to DeKalb.

Would rather spend money to watch NIU FB from home then travel, park and travel.

The future is engaging your fan base. The MAC does not generate a lot of TV revenue. Having your fans sit at home and watching the few games on TV and even more games on computer does not generate ticket revenue or donations. It would be interesting to see how much NIU lost in season ticket sales and donations with this year's schedule. I know they will lose me next year if this fiasco is continued.

Agree that the future is engaging your fan base.
Most fans are not going to travel to DeKalb.
Most fans of most schools watch on TV, internet etc.
Paying Money to access NIU FB games through an NIU TV channel would generate revenue.
I would pay for access to NIU FB games.
Having an interactive Device that allows fan feedback would be the next step.
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(10-12-2017 10:08 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:02 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  Attendance at FB stadiums is an outdated indicator.
The future is revenue generated from NIU fans who tune in via radio, TV and increasingly internet.
A MAC sports channel should be considered.
I love NIU sports, but like most NIU Alumni dislike going to DeKalb.

Would rather spend money to watch NIU FB from home then travel, park and travel.

The future is engaging your fan base. The MAC does not generate a lot of TV revenue. Having your fans sit at home and watching the few games on TV and even more games on computer does not generate ticket revenue or donations. It would be interesting to see how much NIU lost in season ticket sales and donations with this year's schedule. I know they will lose me next year if this fiasco is continued.

Same here. I will still follow games but will be 100 percent done with season tickets if there is no improvement
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(10-12-2017 10:24 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:08 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:02 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  Attendance at FB stadiums is an outdated indicator.
The future is revenue generated from NIU fans who tune in via radio, TV and increasingly internet.
A MAC sports channel should be considered.
I love NIU sports, but like most NIU Alumni dislike going to DeKalb.

Would rather spend money to watch NIU FB from home then travel, park and travel.

The future is engaging your fan base. The MAC does not generate a lot of TV revenue. Having your fans sit at home and watching the few games on TV and even more games on computer does not generate ticket revenue or donations. It would be interesting to see how much NIU lost in season ticket sales and donations with this year's schedule. I know they will lose me next year if this fiasco is continued.

Same here. I will still follow games but will be 100 percent done with season tickets if there is no improvement

Following games online through an NIU FB portal where fans pay to access high quality streaming and allow for interactive feedback is the future.
With the money saved on traveling, parking and tickets one could afford to pay that money to NIU FB through a specialized TV or online internet streaming access.
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(10-12-2017 10:24 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:08 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:02 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  Attendance at FB stadiums is an outdated indicator.
The future is revenue generated from NIU fans who tune in via radio, TV and increasingly internet.
A MAC sports channel should be considered.
I love NIU sports, but like most NIU Alumni dislike going to DeKalb.

Would rather spend money to watch NIU FB from home then travel, park and travel.

The future is engaging your fan base. The MAC does not generate a lot of TV revenue. Having your fans sit at home and watching the few games on TV and even more games on computer does not generate ticket revenue or donations. It would be interesting to see how much NIU lost in season ticket sales and donations with this year's schedule. I know they will lose me next year if this fiasco is continued.

Same here. I will still follow games but will be 100 percent done with season tickets if there is no improvement

I have talked to several people where I park and in the HAF tent who have said the same thing. They all said they would love to go to more games but simply cannot attend the weekday games. They said it doesn't make sense to buy season tickets when you can only go to a couple games. And the folks in the HAF tent and where I park are the bigger donors.
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NIU has a great business school and MIS program.
Why not devote money to capturing the future virtual access fans then spending money on stadium expansion.
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(10-12-2017 10:30 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:24 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:08 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:02 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  Attendance at FB stadiums is an outdated indicator.
The future is revenue generated from NIU fans who tune in via radio, TV and increasingly internet.
A MAC sports channel should be considered.
I love NIU sports, but like most NIU Alumni dislike going to DeKalb.

Would rather spend money to watch NIU FB from home then travel, park and travel.

The future is engaging your fan base. The MAC does not generate a lot of TV revenue. Having your fans sit at home and watching the few games on TV and even more games on computer does not generate ticket revenue or donations. It would be interesting to see how much NIU lost in season ticket sales and donations with this year's schedule. I know they will lose me next year if this fiasco is continued.

Same here. I will still follow games but will be 100 percent done with season tickets if there is no improvement

Following games online through an NIU FB portal where fans pay to access high quality streaming and allow for interactive feedback is the future.
With the money saved on traveling, parking and tickets one could afford to pay that money to NIU FB through a specialized TV or online internet streaming access.

Then why do we need stadium improvements or even stadiums for that matter?
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(10-12-2017 10:33 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  NIU has a great business school and MIS program.
Why not devote money to capturing the future virtual access fans then spending money on stadium expansion.

NIU will not make money through the streaming of its games - no matter what they charge.
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(10-12-2017 10:33 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:24 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:08 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:02 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  Attendance at FB stadiums is an outdated indicator.
The future is revenue generated from NIU fans who tune in via radio, TV and increasingly internet.
A MAC sports channel should be considered.
I love NIU sports, but like most NIU Alumni dislike going to DeKalb.

Would rather spend money to watch NIU FB from home then travel, park and travel.

The future is engaging your fan base. The MAC does not generate a lot of TV revenue. Having your fans sit at home and watching the few games on TV and even more games on computer does not generate ticket revenue or donations. It would be interesting to see how much NIU lost in season ticket sales and donations with this year's schedule. I know they will lose me next year if this fiasco is continued.

Same here. I will still follow games but will be 100 percent done with season tickets if there is no improvement

I have talked to several people where I park and in the HAF tent who have said the same thing. They all said they would love to go to more games but simply cannot attend the weekday games. They said it doesn't make sense to buy season tickets when you can only go to a couple games. And the folks in the HAF tent and where I park are the bigger donors.

One has to weigh the pros versus the Cons.
You are talking about the old fashion goto the game and watch FB fans.
Yes they are important.
However the fan bases are not mutually exclusive.
maybe have fan boxes for the Mega goto the game fans, while simultaneously investing in a portal for the virtual "online" NIU fan base that clearly is the future growth area.
The trick is how to get money from that fan base.
Having paid for NIU Game access online through the NIU FB department on a platform created by the NIU business school might be an avenue worth persueing.
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(10-12-2017 10:37 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:33 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  NIU has a great business school and MIS program.
Why not devote money to capturing the future virtual access fans then spending money on stadium expansion.

NIU will not make money through the streaming of its games - no matter what they charge.

I would pay a premium for a high quality FB game experience. Adding options for fans online to comment and connect(not unlike this board) would create a connection and enhance the virtual experience.

Would be willing to pay at least $30 a game.(without advertisements)
For those who wish to just see the great quality TV and NIU announcers a cheaper rate would do and the advertisers would cover the remainder.
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(10-12-2017 10:46 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:37 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:33 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  NIU has a great business school and MIS program.
Why not devote money to capturing the future virtual access fans then spending money on stadium expansion.

NIU will not make money through the streaming of its games - no matter what they charge.

I would pay a premium for a high quality FB game experience. Adding options for fans online to comment and connect(not unlike this board) would create a connection and enhance the virtual experience.

Would be willing to pay at least $30 a game.(without advertisements)
For those who wish to just see the great quality TV and NIU announcers a cheaper rate would do and the advertisers would cover the remainder.

OMG. Think about what you are saying. There are 2 teams involved in each game. How much of that pie-in-the sky $30 per game do you think NIU would get (after production costs)? And how many people across the nation would pay that (or any) amount to watch our games? Now factor into that the lost ticket and concessions sales and donations to the HAF.
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(10-12-2017 10:35 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:30 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:24 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:08 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 10:02 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  Attendance at FB stadiums is an outdated indicator.
The future is revenue generated from NIU fans who tune in via radio, TV and increasingly internet.
A MAC sports channel should be considered.
I love NIU sports, but like most NIU Alumni dislike going to DeKalb.

Would rather spend money to watch NIU FB from home then travel, park and travel.

The future is engaging your fan base. The MAC does not generate a lot of TV revenue. Having your fans sit at home and watching the few games on TV and even more games on computer does not generate ticket revenue or donations. It would be interesting to see how much NIU lost in season ticket sales and donations with this year's schedule. I know they will lose me next year if this fiasco is continued.

Same here. I will still follow games but will be 100 percent done with season tickets if there is no improvement

Following games online through an NIU FB portal where fans pay to access high quality streaming and allow for interactive feedback is the future.
With the money saved on traveling, parking and tickets one could afford to pay that money to NIU FB through a specialized TV or online internet streaming access.

Then why do we need stadium improvements or even stadiums for that matter?

That is the future Dogfan.

Stadium improvements costing tens of $millions are an old fashioned way to get big donors to spend. Problem one might argue is that they rarely recoup their investment.

Stadium boxes for high paying donors might pay back their costs and even generate revenue.

Students do not care for stadium improvements.Many would be angry with the tuition increases.

Fans like yourself who goto games are arguably the best and most dedicated fans.
Fans like myself who rarely goto games, but follow almost every game are arguably the majority of NIU FB fans.

Fans like myself get enjoyment from seeing NIU win games.
We prefer the convenience of home, and in my case would rather pay a premium for good NIU TV coverage then travel, park and buy a ticket.
Revenues from TV in many programs are very significant.
Why can NIU not move towards giving our alumni fan base a high quality dependable TV alternative, with archives and expert local analyses for a fee.
I would even listen to the regular irritating TCF bank commercials.
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