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New completed renovation photo with landscaping (UT photo).

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I could not find a photo of the same angle, but this building was very unsightly in my opinion compared to the overall architecture on our campus. The new entrance with outdoor rooftop area over it is probably a nice place to study or read a book plus all the natural light inside. It would be great to see the inside improvements too. Its a big improvement.

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I ran by the building over the weekend before tailgating and going to the game. The area around the library, the student union, Snyder Memorial, and the torn down annex looks great. The campus as a whole looks so much better than when I was getting my masters there (2008).

Also, after seeing campus with the new master plan in the back of my mind, I think the proposed changes at Rocket Hall and the Carter Hall buildings would be huge. Both areas still feel a little like outliers, but with a lot of potential.
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My original opinion still stands.

I could think of hundreds of better uses of that type money on a college campus. If it was a private donator that decided they wanted to put a glass wall on the library so people could look out at a wall, their business but a wise university might have said "no thanks, here's how we might direct the money towards your goals." Though construction has a lot of political and economic pull some leaders don't have the will to say "no" to, or encourage wiser stewardship.

Given a great desire to put a glass wall in the library, there were three other directions that actually would have spectacular views, towards U-Hall, campus green along the river or the Glass Bowl. Two of those would have avoided evening Summer sun. How or why they chose this direction or started the remodel without pre-construction public notice of invite of opinion, again, who knows?

Now a 360 roof top thing? That I can see. Good hosting place. Nice study option. And just in time for Autumn, which should be spectacular.
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(10-11-2017 03:09 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  My original opinion still stands.

I could think of hundreds of better uses of that type money on a college campus. If it was a private donator that decided they wanted to put a glass wall on the library so people could look out at a wall, their business but a wise university might have said "no thanks, here's how we might direct the money towards your goals." Though construction has a lot of political and economic pull some leaders don't have the will to say "no" to, or encourage wiser stewardship.

Given a great desire to put a glass wall in the library, there were three other directions that actually would have spectacular views, towards U-Hall, campus green along the river or the Glass Bowl. Two of those would have avoided evening Summer sun. How or why they chose this direction or started the remodel without pre-construction public notice of invite of opinion, again, who knows?

Now a 360 roof top thing? That I can see. Good hosting place. Nice study option. And just in time for Autumn, which should be spectacular.

Not sure about the direction of the glass wall or if we want people on the roof, but quite a bit of the project was repairing the crumbling walls and upper walkways that were a mess.
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(10-12-2017 03:55 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 03:09 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  My original opinion still stands.

I could think of hundreds of better uses of that type money on a college campus.

Not sure about the direction of the glass wall or if we want people on the roof, but quite a bit of the project was repairing the crumbling walls and upper walkways that were a mess.

Not to doubt except to think what "quite a bit" might mean? Perhaps those walls and walkways were that side were "crumbling," but then I'd wonder, why? Why not other sides also? Is there a bigger problem?

My impression remains this was a cosmetic feature. If walls are crumbling to the point an entire side of a structure needs redone, I'd be concerned the other sides also. If it is cosmetic, at the risk of imitating the southern school, plaster a mural up there would have been a lot cheaper, just as nice.

But, what's done is done, for whatever mysterious reason. Don't imagine they owe anyone an explanation. People aren't generally going to look up at that or out that and wonder "how much did this cost?"
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(10-11-2017 03:09 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  My original opinion still stands.

I could think of hundreds of better uses of that type money on a college campus. If it was a private donator that decided they wanted to put a glass wall on the library so people could look out at a wall, their business but a wise university might have said "no thanks, here's how we might direct the money towards your goals." Though construction has a lot of political and economic pull some leaders don't have the will to say "no" to, or encourage wiser stewardship.

Given a great desire to put a glass wall in the library, there were three other directions that actually would have spectacular views, towards U-Hall, campus green along the river or the Glass Bowl. Two of those would have avoided evening Summer sun. How or why they chose this direction or started the remodel without pre-construction public notice of invite of opinion, again, who knows?

Now a 360 roof top thing? That I can see. Good hosting place. Nice study option. And just in time for Autumn, which should be spectacular.

it was state capital budget funded and stage 3 of extensive renovations in Carlson done over the last several years including improving natural lighting, energy efficiencies, more study spaces, technology improvements to update and modernize both the inside and outside spaces
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(10-13-2017 04:51 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 03:09 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  My original opinion still stands.

I could think of hundreds of better uses of that type money on a college campus. If it was a private donator that decided they wanted to put a glass wall on the library so people could look out at a wall, their business but a wise university might have said "no thanks, here's how we might direct the money towards your goals." Though construction has a lot of political and economic pull some leaders don't have the will to say "no" to, or encourage wiser stewardship.

Given a great desire to put a glass wall in the library, there were three other directions that actually would have spectacular views, towards U-Hall, campus green along the river or the Glass Bowl. Two of those would have avoided evening Summer sun. How or why they chose this direction or started the remodel without pre-construction public notice of invite of opinion, again, who knows?

Now a 360 roof top thing? That I can see. Good hosting place. Nice study option. And just in time for Autumn, which should be spectacular.

it was state capital budget funded and stage 3 of extensive renovations in Carlson done over the last several years including improving natural lighting, energy efficiencies, more study spaces, technology improvements to update and modernize both the inside and outside spaces

a bunch of words for "fancy unneeded glass wall" and "pork."

When are they going to knock down a wall of U-Hall to add some "natural lighting?"
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So what improvements should the university have made using funding that was allocated for improvements to buildings on campus?
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(10-13-2017 05:49 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 04:51 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 03:09 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  My original opinion still stands.

I could think of hundreds of better uses of that type money on a college campus. If it was a private donator that decided they wanted to put a glass wall on the library so people could look out at a wall, their business but a wise university might have said "no thanks, here's how we might direct the money towards your goals." Though construction has a lot of political and economic pull some leaders don't have the will to say "no" to, or encourage wiser stewardship.

Given a great desire to put a glass wall in the library, there were three other directions that actually would have spectacular views, towards U-Hall, campus green along the river or the Glass Bowl. Two of those would have avoided evening Summer sun. How or why they chose this direction or started the remodel without pre-construction public notice of invite of opinion, again, who knows?

Now a 360 roof top thing? That I can see. Good hosting place. Nice study option. And just in time for Autumn, which should be spectacular.

it was state capital budget funded and stage 3 of extensive renovations in Carlson done over the last several years including improving natural lighting, energy efficiencies, more study spaces, technology improvements to update and modernize both the inside and outside spaces

a bunch of words for "fancy unneeded glass wall" and "pork."

When are they going to knock down a wall of U-Hall to add some "natural lighting?"

Maybe you should submit all your suggestions (approval and disapproval) to the powers that be ...
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(10-16-2017 06:50 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 05:49 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 04:51 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 03:09 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  My original opinion still stands.

I could think of hundreds of better uses of that type money on a college campus. If it was a private donator that decided they wanted to put a glass wall on the library so people could look out at a wall, their business but a wise university might have said "no thanks, here's how we might direct the money towards your goals." Though construction has a lot of political and economic pull some leaders don't have the will to say "no" to, or encourage wiser stewardship.

Given a great desire to put a glass wall in the library, there were three other directions that actually would have spectacular views, towards U-Hall, campus green along the river or the Glass Bowl. Two of those would have avoided evening Summer sun. How or why they chose this direction or started the remodel without pre-construction public notice of invite of opinion, again, who knows?

Now a 360 roof top thing? That I can see. Good hosting place. Nice study option. And just in time for Autumn, which should be spectacular.

it was state capital budget funded and stage 3 of extensive renovations in Carlson done over the last several years including improving natural lighting, energy efficiencies, more study spaces, technology improvements to update and modernize both the inside and outside spaces

a bunch of words for "fancy unneeded glass wall" and "pork."

When are they going to knock down a wall of U-Hall to add some "natural lighting?"

Maybe you should submit all your suggestions (approval and disapproval) to the powers that be ...

Tear down this wall! lol

If they'd asked for opinions and I'd known about it, as I've posed during and after construction, these would have been mine. I don't think that glass wall is going to get the University ranked. 03-wink That and only that is the only top priority, getting back some semblance of academic reputation beyond a couple colleges. So a multi-million dollar glass wall, facing another wall, isn't going to look impressive to me.

Wall might look good with some Halloween decorations though.
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(10-16-2017 04:49 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 06:50 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 05:49 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 04:51 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 03:09 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  My original opinion still stands.

I could think of hundreds of better uses of that type money on a college campus. If it was a private donator that decided they wanted to put a glass wall on the library so people could look out at a wall, their business but a wise university might have said "no thanks, here's how we might direct the money towards your goals." Though construction has a lot of political and economic pull some leaders don't have the will to say "no" to, or encourage wiser stewardship.

Given a great desire to put a glass wall in the library, there were three other directions that actually would have spectacular views, towards U-Hall, campus green along the river or the Glass Bowl. Two of those would have avoided evening Summer sun. How or why they chose this direction or started the remodel without pre-construction public notice of invite of opinion, again, who knows?

Now a 360 roof top thing? That I can see. Good hosting place. Nice study option. And just in time for Autumn, which should be spectacular.

it was state capital budget funded and stage 3 of extensive renovations in Carlson done over the last several years including improving natural lighting, energy efficiencies, more study spaces, technology improvements to update and modernize both the inside and outside spaces

a bunch of words for "fancy unneeded glass wall" and "pork."

When are they going to knock down a wall of U-Hall to add some "natural lighting?"

Maybe you should submit all your suggestions (approval and disapproval) to the powers that be ...

Tear down this wall! lol

If they'd asked for opinions and I'd known about it, as I've posed during and after construction, these would have been mine. I don't think that glass wall is going to get the University ranked. 03-wink That and only that is the only top priority, getting back some semblance of academic reputation beyond a couple colleges. So a multi-million dollar glass wall, facing another wall, isn't going to look impressive to me.

Wall might look good with some Halloween decorations though.

It's not a "glass wall, facing another wall." It is facing the Ottawa River.

If you had been in the library in the last 6-10 years, like I had been, you would have seen floors 3 thru 5 NEEDED a remodel. Those floors were stuck in the 1980s. So dull and boring. I bet students, and potential students, would see it and think, "Why would I want to come to the library if this is what it looks like?"

Students using the library = students studying/doing school = students getting better grades = a higher ranked university
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(10-16-2017 06:08 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  It's not a "glass wall, facing another wall." It is facing the Ottawa River.

If you had been in the library in the last 6-10 years, like I had been, you would have seen floors 3 thru 5 NEEDED a remodel. Those floors were stuck in the 1980s. So dull and boring. I bet students, and potential students, would see it and think, "Why would I want to come to the library if this is what it looks like?"

Students using the library = students studying/doing school = students getting better grades = a higher ranked university

I have been on those floors and nothing shallow came to my mind at all about them. An academic will study on a bus, in a dorm, in a bar. Plenty of enclosed study rooms, open rooms, a few nooks and crannies people like and if anyone thinks bright open views are conducive to studying can I recommend they open the Glass Bowl press box to studies? UT will probably zoom past Harvard in the rankings.

The wall faces the SU extension, with a lean your head around Snyder view of the downriver and a tilt the other way look at the bridge over the river, neither of which is particularly impressive nor important to the concern of how public money is used to deliver pork instead of results.

These are opinions. But I appreciate, you didn't denigrate the opinion. Mine's well thought out I think. Did my homework I think on this and with all due respect you're not going to bring anything to bear that would change the opinion that this was not a respectable use of public money or even University donation, for a university in this standing. The priority and the appearance of priority were all wrong, in MY opinion.

Now, if we find many, many donators suddenly giving millions to research and Professor endowments and community initiatives because of this glass wall, I'll post admiration the foresight of whomever made the decision on this apparent public waste.
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(10-16-2017 06:53 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 06:08 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  It's not a "glass wall, facing another wall." It is facing the Ottawa River.

If you had been in the library in the last 6-10 years, like I had been, you would have seen floors 3 thru 5 NEEDED a remodel. Those floors were stuck in the 1980s. So dull and boring. I bet students, and potential students, would see it and think, "Why would I want to come to the library if this is what it looks like?"

Students using the library = students studying/doing school = students getting better grades = a higher ranked university

I have been on those floors and nothing shallow came to my mind at all about them. An academic will study on a bus, in a dorm, in a bar. Plenty of enclosed study rooms, open rooms, a few nooks and crannies people like and if anyone thinks bright open views are conducive to studying can I recommend they open the Glass Bowl press box to studies? UT will probably zoom past Harvard in the rankings.

The wall faces the SU extension, with a lean your head around Snyder view of the downriver and a tilt the other way look at the bridge over the river, neither of which is particularly impressive nor important to the concern of how public money is used to deliver pork instead of results.

These are opinions. But I appreciate, you didn't denigrate the opinion. Mine's well thought out I think. Did my homework I think on this and with all due respect you're not going to bring anything to bear that would change the opinion that this was not a respectable use of public money or even University donation, for a university in this standing. The priority and the appearance of priority were all wrong, in MY opinion.

Now, if we find many, many donators suddenly giving millions to research and Professor endowments and community initiatives because of this glass wall, I'll post admiration the foresight of whomever made the decision on this apparent public waste.

state capital funds can only be spent on buildings-in this case renovations, so the only decision that could be made is on what building to upgrade. If you are concerned about the student experience, national rankings, and attracting additional donations, your opinion should have been directed at the only other alternatives to spending from this funding source-another UT building renovation as these state funds could not have been spent on any other initiative.
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(10-17-2017 03:35 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 06:53 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 06:08 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  It's not a "glass wall, facing another wall." It is facing the Ottawa River.

If you had been in the library in the last 6-10 years, like I had been, you would have seen floors 3 thru 5 NEEDED a remodel. Those floors were stuck in the 1980s. So dull and boring. I bet students, and potential students, would see it and think, "Why would I want to come to the library if this is what it looks like?"

Students using the library = students studying/doing school = students getting better grades = a higher ranked university

I have been on those floors and nothing shallow came to my mind at all about them. An academic will study on a bus, in a dorm, in a bar. Plenty of enclosed study rooms, open rooms, a few nooks and crannies people like and if anyone thinks bright open views are conducive to studying can I recommend they open the Glass Bowl press box to studies? UT will probably zoom past Harvard in the rankings.

The wall faces the SU extension, with a lean your head around Snyder view of the downriver and a tilt the other way look at the bridge over the river, neither of which is particularly impressive nor important to the concern of how public money is used to deliver pork instead of results.

These are opinions. But I appreciate, you didn't denigrate the opinion. Mine's well thought out I think. Did my homework I think on this and with all due respect you're not going to bring anything to bear that would change the opinion that this was not a respectable use of public money or even University donation, for a university in this standing. The priority and the appearance of priority were all wrong, in MY opinion.

Now, if we find many, many donators suddenly giving millions to research and Professor endowments and community initiatives because of this glass wall, I'll post admiration the foresight of whomever made the decision on this apparent public waste.

state capital funds can only be spent on buildings-in this case renovations, so the only decision that could be made is on what building to upgrade.

03-wink Well of course they could have re-renovated the renovated Snyder. Would tearing it down be considered renovation?

Not sure if you were intending to make a point? It's a pretty specious "upgrade" since a glass wall serves no educational purpose. Should we file a complaint for misuse of state funds?

If it was meant to shore up a crumbling building, I also addressed that. As I posted, if it had actually been used in a way that would support bringing the University into an improved academic standing, good, which I imagine a creatice thinker could marry to the porkish intent. But it wasn't. The source and manufactured intent doesn't make it any less pork or any less a waste.


Nothing you posted responding to me, contradicts anything I posted. So uh,...ok?
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(10-17-2017 06:08 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(10-17-2017 03:35 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 06:53 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 06:08 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  It's not a "glass wall, facing another wall." It is facing the Ottawa River.

If you had been in the library in the last 6-10 years, like I had been, you would have seen floors 3 thru 5 NEEDED a remodel. Those floors were stuck in the 1980s. So dull and boring. I bet students, and potential students, would see it and think, "Why would I want to come to the library if this is what it looks like?"

Students using the library = students studying/doing school = students getting better grades = a higher ranked university

I have been on those floors and nothing shallow came to my mind at all about them. An academic will study on a bus, in a dorm, in a bar. Plenty of enclosed study rooms, open rooms, a few nooks and crannies people like and if anyone thinks bright open views are conducive to studying can I recommend they open the Glass Bowl press box to studies? UT will probably zoom past Harvard in the rankings.

The wall faces the SU extension, with a lean your head around Snyder view of the downriver and a tilt the other way look at the bridge over the river, neither of which is particularly impressive nor important to the concern of how public money is used to deliver pork instead of results.

These are opinions. But I appreciate, you didn't denigrate the opinion. Mine's well thought out I think. Did my homework I think on this and with all due respect you're not going to bring anything to bear that would change the opinion that this was not a respectable use of public money or even University donation, for a university in this standing. The priority and the appearance of priority were all wrong, in MY opinion.

Now, if we find many, many donators suddenly giving millions to research and Professor endowments and community initiatives because of this glass wall, I'll post admiration the foresight of whomever made the decision on this apparent public waste.

state capital funds can only be spent on buildings-in this case renovations, so the only decision that could be made is on what building to upgrade.

03-wink Well of course they could have re-renovated the renovated Snyder. Would tearing it down be considered renovation?

Not sure if you were intending to make a point? It's a pretty specious "upgrade" since a glass wall serves no educational purpose. Should we file a complaint for misuse of state funds?

If it was meant to shore up a crumbling building, I also addressed that. As I posted, if it had actually been used in a way that would support bringing the University into an improved academic standing, good, which I imagine a creatice thinker could marry to the porkish intent. But it wasn't. The source and manufactured intent doesn't make it any less pork or any less a waste.


Nothing you posted responding to me, contradicts anything I posted. So uh,...ok?

My point was that UT along with every other public university in Ohio submits a list of building/facilities funding requests every two years for consideration for funding from the state capital budget, in the last round UT received funds for numerous projects including concluding the 3rd and final phase of the Carlson renovations. Whether it impacts enrollment, rankings, student experience and retention are an issue, but if not Carlson that what other state funded renovations would you have preferred. Snyder has received over $8 million in renovations in last decade, why take it down and spend 2x that much on new building as current one is fine and had lifespan extended by decades.
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(10-18-2017 07:37 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  Whether it (state funding) impacts enrollment, rankings, student experience and retention are an issue,

It doesn't appear to be an issue on this campus. This remodel indicates "Pretty" (subjective) seems to be the only thing that can be grasped.

(10-18-2017 07:37 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  but if not Carlson that what other state funded renovations would you have preferred.

I've already described this.

The word "none" as an option seems an appropruate option.

We all love a pretty campus but long overdue time to show some responsibility. If limited PUBLIC funds cannot be put to a use that extends the primary mission, then "none," is the correct answer. That idea shouldn't be over anyone's head? Spending limited resources on cosmetics is not going to get the university out of this mess.

For a university in this shape, if public money cannot be directed in a way that primarily affects the mission, which isn't putting lipstick on a pig (Snyder, Potter, glass walls), then it shouldn't be requested or spent. My preferences have been stated several times in this thread and last. I'm not looking to change anyone's mind and as I mentioned, you're not capable of changing mine. Not sure why you were responding to me? You add no new information.

If the Admin can't think of a way for available money to be directed towards the things that matter, they ARE the problem. Cosmetic work just isn't and shouldn't even remotely be thought of as a priority use of public money.

Quality of support for research and instruction are the things and the only things that will bring results that matter. This multi-million dollar piece of pork glass wall does neither, certainly not with bang for the buck.

Unless as I've stated, this glass wall results in a run on the Foundation with people begging to donate money. Not holding out hope for that.




If all that was needed was some structural repair, then there's the use.
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Back to the original intent of this thread, does anybody have any library renovation photo's they can share? So far this looks great!
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(10-18-2017 10:35 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 07:37 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  Whether it (state funding) impacts enrollment, rankings, student experience and retention are an issue,

It doesn't appear to be an issue on this campus. This remodel indicates "Pretty" (subjective) seems to be the only thing that can be grasped.

(10-18-2017 07:37 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  but if not Carlson that what other state funded renovations would you have preferred.

I've already described this.

The word "none" as an option seems an appropruate option.

We all love a pretty campus but long overdue time to show some responsibility. If limited PUBLIC funds cannot be put to a use that extends the primary mission, then "none," is the correct answer. That idea shouldn't be over anyone's head? Spending limited resources on cosmetics is not going to get the university out of this mess.

For a university in this shape, if public money cannot be directed in a way that primarily affects the mission, which isn't putting lipstick on a pig (Snyder, Potter, glass walls), then it shouldn't be requested or spent. My preferences have been stated several times in this thread and last. I'm not looking to change anyone's mind and as I mentioned, you're not capable of changing mine. Not sure why you were responding to me? You add no new information.

If the Admin can't think of a way for available money to be directed towards the things that matter, they ARE the problem. Cosmetic work just isn't and shouldn't even remotely be thought of as a priority use of public money.

Quality of support for research and instruction are the things and the only things that will bring results that matter. This multi-million dollar piece of pork glass wall does neither, certainly not with bang for the buck.

Unless as I've stated, this glass wall results in a run on the Foundation with people begging to donate money. Not holding out hope for that.




If all that was needed was some structural repair, then there's the use.

If UT has the opportunity like all other Ohio universities to apply for state capital funds (money that can only be used on campus capital improvements) they should do all they can to aggressively pursue such public funds to deal with priority deferred repairs and needed upgrades. This has nothing to do with increasing rankings or priorities or spending of public funds and how they are allocated, if the opportunity exists to secure state funds and bring some of the local taxpayers monies back to Toledo and UT, they should very well be at that table. Not sure what you do not understand about that or our opposed to? You can be sure OSU and others will gladly take UT's "share" without question if they are not at the table.
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(10-18-2017 12:55 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 10:35 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 07:37 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  Whether it (state funding) impacts enrollment, rankings, student experience and retention are an issue,

It doesn't appear to be an issue on this campus. This remodel indicates "Pretty" (subjective) seems to be the only thing that can be grasped.

(10-18-2017 07:37 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  but if not Carlson that what other state funded renovations would you have preferred.

I've already described this.

The word "none" as an option seems an appropruate option.

We all love a pretty campus but long overdue time to show some responsibility. If limited PUBLIC funds cannot be put to a use that extends the primary mission, then "none," is the correct answer. That idea shouldn't be over anyone's head? Spending limited resources on cosmetics is not going to get the university out of this mess.

For a university in this shape, if public money cannot be directed in a way that primarily affects the mission, which isn't putting lipstick on a pig (Snyder, Potter, glass walls), then it shouldn't be requested or spent. My preferences have been stated several times in this thread and last. I'm not looking to change anyone's mind and as I mentioned, you're not capable of changing mine. Not sure why you were responding to me? You add no new information.

If the Admin can't think of a way for available money to be directed towards the things that matter, they ARE the problem. Cosmetic work just isn't and shouldn't even remotely be thought of as a priority use of public money.

Quality of support for research and instruction are the things and the only things that will bring results that matter. This multi-million dollar piece of pork glass wall does neither, certainly not with bang for the buck.

Unless as I've stated, this glass wall results in a run on the Foundation with people begging to donate money. Not holding out hope for that.




If all that was needed was some structural repair, then there's the use.

If UT has the opportunity like all other Ohio universities to apply for state capital funds (money that can only be used on campus capital improvements) they should do all they can to aggressively pursue such public funds to deal with priority deferred repairs and needed upgrades.


Agreed but they spent it on a glass wall instead. I wouldn't think this brain surgery, certainly not rocket science. Displaying the kind of thinking that imagine this glass wall facing a wall is a "repair" or "needed upgrade" is why the University has such a poor reputation. Glad that you're loyal but a university that has fallen so far might more need the kind of loyalty that is willing to call waste, "waste."

Are you trying to tell us they didn't have options? They were forced to build THIS particularly laughable "academic upgrade?" Of ALL the repairs and academic upgrades you are saying this money could be used for, THIS, a glass wall, was a priority?


When the quad was a parking lot, the university actually had a reputation that was respected. Academic reputation and viability has nothing to do with "pretty." All the pretty in the world, does not make a university credible. And this ain't even "pretty." It's a window to nowhere.

(10-18-2017 07:37 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  Whether it (state funding) impacts enrollment, rankings, student experience and retention are an issue,

(10-18-2017 07:37 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  This has nothing to do with increasing rankings or priorities or spending of public funds and how they are allocated,

I think this is what's called a "shake your head" moment. Can you pick a position and stick with it? The university has a rep of being run by people that think this way. The hope was, the new Pres would make a PRIORITY of changing that.
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