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Good thing we hired Fat Bruce.
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Greatest embarrassment in modern American sports.

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Juregen er, Jurbag put us in a terrible position, which is why he got his pompous helicopter flying butt fired. Bruce nearly pulled off a miracle.

So metrofitz, meet me Saturday and we can discuss all of our differences like CHUCK NORRIS men.
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(10-11-2017 12:41 AM)ChicagoMan Wrote:  Juregen er, Jurbag put us in a terrible position, which is why he got his pompous gay butt fired. Bruce nearly pulled off a miracle.

So metrofritz, meet me Saturday and we can discuss all of our differences like CHUCK NORRIS men.

Good to know you think 13 of 24 points against CONCACAF, with 2 of the 3 hardest matches done, is a "miracle". Lower that bar some more for Bruce's fat arrogant azz.

Klinsmann's time was up, he had been around too long particularly for a national team coach. Somehow Gulati managed to pick an option even worse than keeping him.

No Johnson for 2 crucial matches. No Cameron for a do or die, instead traffic cone Gonzo puts one past Howard. Keeps isolating Pulisic on the wing. It's a mess and Gulati should fire him on the tarmac Lane Kiffin style, then step down himself for bungling this whole situation.

But I don't expect you to actually know anything about this. Instead just call him gay.
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When you’re a country of 350 million people and can’t compete with places like Costa Rica, Honduras, Panama, and Trinidad & Tobago....... yeah....
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Bummer.

But I still love me some World Cup and will be watching. I enjoy it far more than the Olympics.

US media is going to miss all the Russia intrigue and subplots involving our team.
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(10-11-2017 12:50 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 12:41 AM)ChicagoMan Wrote:  Juregen er, Jurbag put us in a terrible position, which is why he got his pompous gay butt fired. Bruce nearly pulled off a miracle.

So metrofritz, meet me Saturday and we can discuss all of our differences like CHUCK NORRIS men.

Good to know you think 13 of 24 points against CONCACAF, with 2 of the 3 hardest matches done, is a "miracle". Lower that bar some more for Bruce's fat arrogant azz.

Klinsmann's time was up, he had been around too long particularly for a national team coach. Somehow Gulati managed to pick an option even worse than keeping him.

No Johnson for 2 crucial matches. No Cameron for a do or die, instead traffic cone Gonzo puts one past Howard. Keeps isolating Pulisic on the wing. It's a mess and Gulati should fire him on the tarmac Lane Kiffin style, then step down himself for bungling this whole situation.

But I don't expect you to actually know anything about this. Instead just call him gay.

When I see Johnson play, his touches are terrible at best. Cameron in the last game against T&T looked like a cone back there.

Howard was terrible, that's where the issue really stood. Agree Gonzo shouldn't be out there, but I think the real problem is that we hadn't developed any players to step in for this old crew for the last five years. Jurbag was awful that way, only looked for players with German descent that could pass the test to play for USMNT.

Gullati stuck with Jurbag way too long, the guy was a complete disaster for USA Soccer. Gullati has to go as well, I hope he gets challenged and loses.

BTW metrofitz, you being gay or not is irrelevant. Some of my best friends are gay, I even had them over for a cookout last week. 03-shhhh
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Johnson couldn't get forward against CRC because he spent the entire match trying to put out Bruce's boy Villafana's fires at left back. Then Fabian gets to fall on the sword because it has to be the German's fault. If there is concern over his fitness use him as a super sub. He is our most versatile player and that he gets to miss likely his last World Cup (after he played so well in Brazil) because Bruce wouldn't even give him a call) is just disheartening.

Cameron is not anything amazing but he has easily, EASILY been our best CB since Brooks went down. He saved our asses singlehandedly at Azteca and had one bad match for Bruce against CRC. He is so much better than Omar Gonzalez its not even funny. Leaving him off in not one but both do or die matches is f***ing inexcusable. So is starting Zusi against CRC and Honduras away when Tim Chandler is playing 90 every week in the Bundesliga. Yes, Howard has been done for over a year now. Our GK situation is not great because of that (and we were screwed in Russia regardless for that reason), but Bill Hamid is better than what we're getting from him. So is Ethan Horvath and probably even Guzan.

No national team coach will ever be a miracle worker. They don't have enough control over the talent. I prefer Jurgen trying to go out and find dual nationals as part of the plan vs Bruce plugging in aging MLS guys and thinking things will change. Unfortunately Jurgen lost the room because he's a tactical disaster and they found the worst possible solution.

BTW, some of these guys (looking at Villafana) can't even get minutes for their mediocre club teams. There is a whole world of soccer out there outside of the USMNT with much greater sample sizes to look at. Bruce (or more accurately USSF) doesn't care. They just want their guys, most of whom play in MLS where their minutes are guaranteed if they ever played in a World Cup for the USMNT.

Pretty much everyone agrees that this team was not set up for success in Russia due to the talent pool. However, they were MORE than talented enough to make it out of the Hex. This was one point we needed to get against Trinidad for gods sake. I dont care if it was played on the moon. That's on Bruce, and Gulati for hiring his weird, arrogant, nationalistic ass. Why you defend this is beyond me.
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He had to fire Jurbag. He lost the team, and it was evident his last games. Bruce was the only guy who made sense to take the dumpster fire. Johnson is a useless clown with a big leg, he loses fights mid field as a holding mid, gives the ball away with such frequency he should be wearing the other teams jersey! I'd leave him off any roster, (but I would take him over Beasley, NOW).

We were screwed with Villafana at left back with that formation of four back right from the get go. That wasn't going to work. Bradley's best days were behind him, but what I saw last summer in the Gold Cup, we have talent that if brought up and developed, capped for international play, could have and would have contributed greatly in the Hex. THAT is on JURBAG.

Screaming about this cast and who should have been where is rearranging chairs on the top deck of a sinking ship. This cast was screwed due to five years of mismanagement by that metro lisping German idiot who'd rather fly his chopper and criticize our soccer culture instead of presenting decent solutions. They as a group have done great things for this country, but no way should we be stuck with an aging group of guys like this because the manager the last five years was unwilling or didn't know how to bring players up and work them and get them international game exposure.

The one positive is that Russia gets screwed now.
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This failure and complete embarrassment was more on US Soccer as a whole and not necessarily certain players or coaches. Player development has been beyond horrible for years and it finally bit them in the a$$. I guess that falls on Jurgen as the recent technical director. He was a train wreck as a coach but possibly even worse as a technical director over US Soccer as a whole. Instead of focusing on youth development, he focused on bringing in mercenaries for lack of a better word to fill the gaps.

Successful national teams should always have a core group of players in their prime years. This team was all aging vets and talented youth. Hardly any core players in their prime, mid 20s years. That where lack of youth development rears it’s ugly head when you put it off for years and years as it appears he did. Sure you’ll always find a diamond in the rough, like Pulisic, but you can’t expect that to occur over and over.

You could see this coming for years too as the youth US national teams failed to qualify for World Cups and Olympics. Those are the players that should be the core of the senior squad now and they are MIA cause they don’t exist.
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I think I discovered the root cause of their "man love" for Jurgen. He's a metro. 03-lmfao

I think Bruce did a good job of working in some new blood in the Gold Cup, but it was way too late by then.
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This idea that guys have to be capped X number of times is just BS. If a guy is playing regularly in a top four European league, whether born here or not, they are a better damn option than half the old guard MLS guys we put out there. National teams are based on talent. The idea that we have to carefully brood chemistry for a team that plays 10 competitive matches in their busiest years is how we ended up with this aging mess. Then to say we would've had to make roster changes if we made it? Insane.

And again, I will not argue for Klinsmann and will not argue that we have a talent issue this cycle. But if you seriously think we didn't have the players to DRAW Trinidad's B team (B+ if we're generous) in a do or die, or get a result against Costa Rica at home for that matter, you're nuts. That is on Bruce, and it's perfectly possible to acknowledge both.
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Bruce sent home Rowe, Miazga, Roldan and Dwyer so he could bring in the same aging MLS guys and beat some C teams to get a meaningless trophy. He played Guzan and Howard the whole time. And that's still the best part of his whole tenure.

I do have to disagree on one point. If Jurgen was good at anything it was TD. Plugging holes with dual nationals (if thats what you want to call it, never mind that no country turns down talent) isn't mutually exclusive to youth success. Our U17 and U20 teams are as good as ever at this moment. The Olympics, while fun, are a non-issue in reality. The qualifiers don't even fall on the FIFA calendar. Teams can't bring in their best players. The future is bright with the right manager and TD.

But its impossible to know if Jurgen actually did anything to brood those guys or if we're more just lucky to have guys like McKennie, CCV, Sargent, etc. My gut says the latter because one guy in 5 years doesn't overhaul the youth system, and results are 10 years down the line anyway. It's a system wide effort to do something like that and it needs to be the only focus right now. No competitive senior matches for 600 days.
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(10-11-2017 02:06 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  This idea that guys have to be capped X number of times is just BS. If a guy is playing regularly in a top four European league, whether born here or not, they are a better damn option than half the old guard MLS guys we put out there. National teams are based on talent. The idea that we have to carefully brood chemistry for a team that plays 10 competitive matches in their busiest years is how we ended up with this aging mess. Then to say we would've had to make roster changes if we made it? Insane.

And again, I will not argue for Klinsmann and will not argue that we have a talent issue this cycle. But if you seriously think we didn't have the players to DRAW Trinidad's B team (B+ if we're generous) in a do or die, or get a result against Costa Rica at home for that matter, you're nuts. That is on Bruce, and it's perfectly possible to acknowledge both.

No, it's not BS, Germany does that now, you know, the same Germany your hero came from right? Jurgen stuck with these old guard players all along. And Johnson sucks donkey balls. He can stay away from USMNT.

Jurbag should have been fired after the World Cup. Terrible TD, he took credit for development that was happening organically and he was just TD in name only.

Metro dbag that he is.
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A 'blip' on the radar. HS athletic talent is moving into soccer while it declines in football. The talent pool is increasing, not decreasing. This World Cup was an anomaly, it won't be repeated.
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Whatever will I watch on TV next summer?
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(10-11-2017 04:51 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  A 'blip' on the radar. HS athletic talent is moving into soccer while it declines in football. The talent pool is increasing, not decreasing. This World Cup was an anomaly, it won't be repeated.

They're moving to 48 teams next time, so I would assume it won't happen again.
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(10-11-2017 04:49 PM)ChicagoMan Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 02:06 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  This idea that guys have to be capped X number of times is just BS. If a guy is playing regularly in a top four European league, whether born here or not, they are a better damn option than half the old guard MLS guys we put out there. National teams are based on talent. The idea that we have to carefully brood chemistry for a team that plays 10 competitive matches in their busiest years is how we ended up with this aging mess. Then to say we would've had to make roster changes if we made it? Insane.

And again, I will not argue for Klinsmann and will not argue that we have a talent issue this cycle. But if you seriously think we didn't have the players to DRAW Trinidad's B team (B+ if we're generous) in a do or die, or get a result against Costa Rica at home for that matter, you're nuts. That is on Bruce, and it's perfectly possible to acknowledge both.

No, it's not BS, Germany does that now, you know, the same Germany your hero came from right? Jurgen stuck with these old guard players all along. And Johnson sucks donkey balls. He can stay away from USMNT.

Jurbag should have been fired after the World Cup. Terrible TD, he took credit for development that was happening organically and he was just TD in name only.

Metro dbag that he is.

Germany has so much talent that they brought basically a U23 team to the Confederations Cup against a bunch of top teams' A squads and won it anyway. We aren't Germany.

Although that brings up a good point, Bruce should have brought in an actual youth team for the Gold Cup, and all the supporters I knew at the time agreed. We learned little to nothing from that tournament because he didn't play anyone new for the knockouts when we actually had sort of tough games.

It's pretty clear you've run out of arguments, and that the extent of your soccer knowledge is from watching the USMNT for a while. That's fine, but don't try to pass the Bruce Arena garbage fire as acceptable because you remember when he won some World Cup games 15 years ago. There is a reason that hire was widely panned. And you've refused to address any points regarding him. Just "it's all Jurgen's fault".
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(10-11-2017 06:33 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 04:49 PM)ChicagoMan Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 02:06 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  This idea that guys have to be capped X number of times is just BS. If a guy is playing regularly in a top four European league, whether born here or not, they are a better damn option than half the old guard MLS guys we put out there. National teams are based on talent. The idea that we have to carefully brood chemistry for a team that plays 10 competitive matches in their busiest years is how we ended up with this aging mess. Then to say we would've had to make roster changes if we made it? Insane.

And again, I will not argue for Klinsmann and will not argue that we have a talent issue this cycle. But if you seriously think we didn't have the players to DRAW Trinidad's B team (B+ if we're generous) in a do or die, or get a result against Costa Rica at home for that matter, you're nuts. That is on Bruce, and it's perfectly possible to acknowledge both.

No, it's not BS, Germany does that now, you know, the same Germany your hero came from right? Jurgen stuck with these old guard players all along. And Johnson sucks donkey balls. He can stay away from USMNT.

Jurbag should have been fired after the World Cup. Terrible TD, he took credit for development that was happening organically and he was just TD in name only.

Metro dbag that he is.

Germany has so much talent that they brought basically a U23 team to the Confederations Cup against a bunch of top teams' A squads and won it anyway. We aren't Germany.

Although that brings up a good point, Bruce should have brought in an actual youth team for the Gold Cup, and all the supporters I knew at the time agreed. We learned little to nothing from that tournament because he didn't play anyone new for the knockouts when we actually had sort of tough games.

It's pretty clear you've run out of arguments, and that the extent of your soccer knowledge is from watching the USMNT for a while. That's fine, but don't try to pass the Bruce Arena garbage fire as acceptable because you remember when he won some World Cup games 15 years ago. There is a reason that hire was widely panned. And you've refused to address any points regarding him. Just "it's all Jurgen's fault".

You confused little metro, I did address your "points" as their being pointless. We're in this situation due to Jurbag. I have been watching EPL since way before you were born. It's clear you think that because you have some rudimentary soccer knowledge and follow European soccer that you are the only one "qualified" to discuss. What a poser arrogant take. Why am I not surprised?

You sound like those gay guys out there that yell at other gay guys for not being GAY enough. You do that too?

03-lmfao Bruce should have brought youth in for the Gold Cup for Jurgen doesn't do anything for five years and it's ok? THAT is rich.

You're take is exactly the problem with the soccer culture in this country, your type of faux expert attitude.

BTW, Jason LaCanforna has a great take on how "not inclusive" the sport is and why we don't develop elite talent in this country.
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