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(10-10-2017 04:00 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  NAACP: Jerry Jones' anthem comments are 'tone-deaf,' violate Cowboys' constitutional rights
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-...nal-rights

Actually it doesn't violate their rights. The 1st amendment is about prohibiting the governement from limiting speech, not a private company.
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(10-10-2017 04:04 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:00 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  NAACP: Jerry Jones' anthem comments are 'tone-deaf,' violate Cowboys' constitutional rights
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-...nal-rights

Actually it doesn't violate their rights. The 1st amendment is about prohibiting the governement from limiting speech, not a private company.

And they would support school districts firing someone who posted something negative about BLM on a private facebook page.
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(10-10-2017 04:04 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:00 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  NAACP: Jerry Jones' anthem comments are 'tone-deaf,' violate Cowboys' constitutional rights
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-...nal-rights

Actually it doesn't violate their rights. The 1st amendment is about prohibiting the governement from limiting speech, not a private company.
I know you are right but this is the NAACP trying to stay relevant.
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(10-10-2017 04:04 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:00 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  NAACP: Jerry Jones' anthem comments are 'tone-deaf,' violate Cowboys' constitutional rights
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-...nal-rights

Actually it doesn't violate their rights. The 1st amendment is about prohibiting the governement from limiting speech, not a private company.

Forcing somebody to go out and sing/stand for a special song that has nothing to do with their job might be a problem.
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(10-10-2017 04:11 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:04 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:00 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  NAACP: Jerry Jones' anthem comments are 'tone-deaf,' violate Cowboys' constitutional rights
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-...nal-rights

Actually it doesn't violate their rights. The 1st amendment is about prohibiting the governement from limiting speech, not a private company.

Forcing somebody to go out and sing/stand for a special song that has nothing to do with their job might be a problem.

What about forcing them back into a hotel room Saturday night "curfew"? Has nothing to do with their job.
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(10-10-2017 04:11 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:04 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:00 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  NAACP: Jerry Jones' anthem comments are 'tone-deaf,' violate Cowboys' constitutional rights
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-...nal-rights

Actually it doesn't violate their rights. The 1st amendment is about prohibiting the governement from limiting speech, not a private company.

Forcing somebody to go out and sing/stand for a special song that has nothing to do with their job might be a problem.
NFL athletes are entertainers, they are required to wear costumes in a specific manner and conduct themselves in a specific way. There is no 1st amendment issue here. The only issue that might come up is if there is some language in the player association contract.
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(10-10-2017 04:23 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:11 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:04 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:00 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  NAACP: Jerry Jones' anthem comments are 'tone-deaf,' violate Cowboys' constitutional rights
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-...nal-rights

Actually it doesn't violate their rights. The 1st amendment is about prohibiting the governement from limiting speech, not a private company.

Forcing somebody to go out and sing/stand for a special song that has nothing to do with their job might be a problem.
NFL athletes are entertainers, they are required to wear costumes in a specific manner and conduct themselves in a specific way. There is no 1st amendment issue here. The only issue that might come up is if there is some language in the player association contract.

Again, this has nothing to do with their job description. I get making them stand if they are out there or letting them stay in the locker room if they choose to but there is going to be a bigger problem if you force somebody out there that doesn't want to be out there. It's like forcing someone to prayer with co-workers before work.
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(10-10-2017 04:23 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:11 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:04 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:00 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  NAACP: Jerry Jones' anthem comments are 'tone-deaf,' violate Cowboys' constitutional rights
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-...nal-rights

Actually it doesn't violate their rights. The 1st amendment is about prohibiting the governement from limiting speech, not a private company.

Forcing somebody to go out and sing/stand for a special song that has nothing to do with their job might be a problem.

What about forcing them back into a hotel room Saturday night "curfew"? Has nothing to do with their job.

That has a direct impact on their ability to do their job.
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(10-10-2017 03:50 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 02:43 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 02:34 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  They aren't going to force people to go out and stand. If they do, get ready for a lawsuit. Players that don't want to stand can stay in the locker room.

What, an NFL player is going to file a lawsuit so he doesn't have to stand for the Anthem? 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

NFLPA.

Bless you. A lawsuit. That's rich. The NFLPA is not going to court to fight that fight no matter how kewl you and the Southpark goth kids might think that would be.
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(10-10-2017 04:31 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:23 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:11 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:04 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:00 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  NAACP: Jerry Jones' anthem comments are 'tone-deaf,' violate Cowboys' constitutional rights
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-...nal-rights

Actually it doesn't violate their rights. The 1st amendment is about prohibiting the governement from limiting speech, not a private company.

Forcing somebody to go out and sing/stand for a special song that has nothing to do with their job might be a problem.

What about forcing them back into a hotel room Saturday night "curfew"? Has nothing to do with their job.

That has a direct impact on their ability to do their job.

How so? Your employer should be allowed to monitor when you are, what time you are at home, or in bed in a hotel? Should they be allowed to force you to sleep? LOL.
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(10-10-2017 04:35 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 03:50 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 02:43 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 02:34 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  They aren't going to force people to go out and stand. If they do, get ready for a lawsuit. Players that don't want to stand can stay in the locker room.

What, an NFL player is going to file a lawsuit so he doesn't have to stand for the Anthem? 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

NFLPA.

Bless you. A lawsuit. That's rich. The NFLPA is not going to court to fight that fight no matter how kewl you and the Southpark goth kids might think that would be.

He hit his head on that surfboard.
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(10-10-2017 02:19 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Nobody has really won. There is no good move for the NFL to make, they just have to do something.

I think the big takeaway from this is that this was a true takeover of universal manufactured outrage. It doesn't spell anything positive about our future.

I see you're countering this manufactured outrage with your own manufactured outraged. Well played, sir.
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(10-10-2017 02:34 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  They aren't going to force people to go out and stand. If they do, get ready for a lawsuit. Players that don't want to stand can stay in the locker room.

Oh goody, another legal expert. Why are all the legal experts on this board all leftists?
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(10-10-2017 04:36 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:31 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:23 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:11 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:04 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Actually it doesn't violate their rights. The 1st amendment is about prohibiting the governement from limiting speech, not a private company.

Forcing somebody to go out and sing/stand for a special song that has nothing to do with their job might be a problem.

What about forcing them back into a hotel room Saturday night "curfew"? Has nothing to do with their job.

That has a direct impact on their ability to do their job.

How so? Your employer should be allowed to monitor when you are, what time you are at home, or in bed in a hotel? Should they be allowed to force you to sleep? LOL.
Ross Perot used to dictate what sort of shoes and tie you could wear, your hairstyle, the color of your shirt, who you could hang out with after work, etc.

He also paid more than average.

So you could take it...or leave it.

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(10-10-2017 04:45 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:36 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:31 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:23 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:11 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Forcing somebody to go out and sing/stand for a special song that has nothing to do with their job might be a problem.

What about forcing them back into a hotel room Saturday night "curfew"? Has nothing to do with their job.

That has a direct impact on their ability to do their job.

How so? Your employer should be allowed to monitor when you are, what time you are at home, or in bed in a hotel? Should they be allowed to force you to sleep? LOL.
Ross Perot used to dictate what sort of shoes and tie you could wear, your hairstyle, the color of your shirt, who you could hang out with after work, etc.

He also paid more than average.

So you could take it...or leave it.

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That's dress code. The NFL has a dress code too.
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(10-10-2017 04:35 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 03:50 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 02:43 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 02:34 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  They aren't going to force people to go out and stand. If they do, get ready for a lawsuit. Players that don't want to stand can stay in the locker room.

What, an NFL player is going to file a lawsuit so he doesn't have to stand for the Anthem? 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

NFLPA.

Bless you. A lawsuit. That's rich. The NFLPA is not going to court to fight that fight no matter how kewl you and the Southpark goth kids might think that would be.

I guess that you know the future because you changed your Sig. Bless you.
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(10-10-2017 05:09 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:45 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:36 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:31 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:23 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  What about forcing them back into a hotel room Saturday night "curfew"? Has nothing to do with their job.

That has a direct impact on their ability to do their job.

How so? Your employer should be allowed to monitor when you are, what time you are at home, or in bed in a hotel? Should they be allowed to force you to sleep? LOL.
Ross Perot used to dictate what sort of shoes and tie you could wear, your hairstyle, the color of your shirt, who you could hang out with after work, etc.

He also paid more than average.

So you could take it...or leave it.

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That's dress code. The NFL has a dress code too.
Yeah, who you can hang out with after work isn't really dress code.

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(10-10-2017 05:13 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 05:09 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:45 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:36 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:31 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  That has a direct impact on their ability to do their job.

How so? Your employer should be allowed to monitor when you are, what time you are at home, or in bed in a hotel? Should they be allowed to force you to sleep? LOL.
Ross Perot used to dictate what sort of shoes and tie you could wear, your hairstyle, the color of your shirt, who you could hang out with after work, etc.

He also paid more than average.

So you could take it...or leave it.

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That's dress code. The NFL has a dress code too.
Yeah, who you can hang out with after work isn't really dress code.

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You have to be more specific. If Ross is preventing his employees with hanging out with known felons and prostitutes then many employers have moral turpitude restrictions in employee contracts.
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(10-10-2017 03:13 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 02:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 02:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  Win want? These people are just protesting for equal treatment in the country they live in but somehow it's a us vs them situation in your minds

An NFL 1%er has 100% more privilege than all of us on this board combined.

They arent protesting for themselves. They are using their platform to stand up for people with no voice. Asking for Americans to be treated like Americans isn't anti American

Oh? Then why weren't they kneeling en masse PRIOR to Trump saying anything?
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There will be a lawsuit. You can bet on that.
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