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GNAC has no schools in Seattle as suggested they have one in Ellensburg, Wa which is in Eastern WA which is a 2 hour drive. Then they would need to get from SeaTac to SD then cross the boarder of Mexico... Sounds horrible at best.
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GNAC does have Western Washington who could restart their football program.

Now, what GNAC needs to do is try and get the western NAIA schools to move up that have football.
Arizona Christian in Phoenix
Ottawa, Arizona in Surprise
Southern Oregon
British Columbia
Eastern oregon
College of Idaho

GNAC wanted to get Carroll, Montana to join them a few years ago.
That would give them 12 football members.
Now, If East Bay State restarts their football? That would give Humboldt another opponent in California.
Too bad Menlo dropped football. They could be part of the GNAC.
I do think Dixie State might be angling for D1 and joined the WAC as well. St. George is not that far from Las Vegas.
As it is, the WAC officials said they want to sponsor football again. Grabbing schools from the GNAC, RMAC and Lone Star Conferences could help fill in the places.

I got a stupid idea. Could the WAC and Lone Star Conference merge? It would give them more schools in Texas and in Oklahoma. Rogers State is just outside of Tulsa which could give UMKC a travel partner.
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(10-31-2017 12:31 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  GNAC has no schools in Seattle as suggested they have one in Ellensburg, Wa which is in Eastern WA which is a 2 hour drive. Then they would need to get from SeaTac to SD then cross the boarder of Mexico... Sounds horrible at best.

Simon Fraser isnt that far, and Vancouver to San Diego isn't much different in fares.

Humboldt St needs to be accessed by San Fran area airports unless charter is flown. GNAC football doesn't have easy travel to begin with.
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(10-30-2017 02:06 AM)NoDak Wrote:  UIW has three FBs games scheduled for 2019, New Mexico, North Texas and UTSA.

That is extraordinary for a supposedly FcS school. A WAC schedule could fulfill the transition requirements.

(10-31-2017 01:56 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Simon Fraser isnt that far, and Vancouver to San Diego isn't much different in fares.

Humboldt St needs to be accessed by San Fran area airports unless charter is flown. GNAC football doesn't have easy travel to begin with.


Nonstop to Seattle from San Diego
Alaska Alaska 3h 0m from $172
Delta Delta 3h 15m from $172
American American 3h 0m from $243

Nonstop to Vancouver from San Diego
Air Canada 3h 5m from $317

Actually it's about 40% more to Vancouver across the board. I just put up nonstop prices for today. Yes flight time is similar. But you also forget the hassle and delays of International customs and all the documents and planning involved.

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As for Humboldt State, it's pretty clear you have no clue about the demographic situation along the coast in the North State. It is the one school in the CSU system facing the type of decline in enrollment we are seeing in 3rd tier Midwestern schools due to declines in young people in the region. It's a really in an isolated location, far from I-5.
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(10-31-2017 04:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(10-30-2017 02:06 AM)NoDak Wrote:  UIW has three FBs games scheduled for 2019, New Mexico, North Texas and UTSA.

That is extraordinary for a supposedly FcS school. A WAC schedule could fulfill the transition requirements.

(10-31-2017 01:56 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Simon Fraser isnt that far, and Vancouver to San Diego isn't much different in fares.

Humboldt St needs to be accessed by San Fran area airports unless charter is flown. GNAC football doesn't have easy travel to begin with.


Nonstop to Seattle from San Diego
Alaska Alaska 3h 0m from $172
Delta Delta 3h 15m from $172
American American 3h 0m from $243

Nonstop to Vancouver from San Diego
Air Canada 3h 5m from $317

Actually it's about 40% more to Vancouver across the board. I just put up nonstop prices for today. Yes flight time is similar. But you also forget the hassle and delays of International customs and all the documents and planning involved.

*************

As for Humboldt State, it's pretty clear you have no clue about the demographic situation along the coast in the North State. It is the one school in the CSU system facing the type of decline in enrollment we are seeing in 3rd tier Midwestern schools due to declines in young people in the region. It's a really in an isolated location, far from I-5.
A bus to SeaTac might be paid for.

Your right, as really have no clue about Arcata politics where the Green Party runs things, dope is the main industry, and sex will soon be outlawed as it's too exclusive. Leave that for your expertise.
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(10-31-2017 01:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I do think Dixie State might be angling for D1 and joined the WAC as well.

I got a stupid idea. Could the WAC and Lone Star Conference merge? It would give them more schools in Texas and in Oklahoma. Rogers State is just outside of Tulsa which could give UMKC a travel partner.

Keep on thinking. This is not the first stupid idea and sadly it will not be the last.
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Why would NAIA schools want to join the NCAA's when competition is about the same?
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(10-31-2017 04:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  A bus to SeaTac might be paid for.

Your right, as really have no clue about Arcata politics where the Green Party runs things, dope is the main industry, and sex will soon be outlawed as it's too exclusive. Leave that for your expertise.

Hum, you must be listening to Alex Jones.
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(10-31-2017 08:04 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Why would NAIA schools want to join the NCAA's when competition is about the same?


Because the lack of football schools in the west with D2 and NAIA.

2 Arizona
2 Oregon
1 Idaho
1 Montana
Maybe get British Columbia to move up as well?

Simon Fraser and British Columbia
Central Washington and College of Idaho
Southern Oregon, Western Oregon and Eastern Oregon
Humboldt State and Azusa Pacific
Carroll Montana and Montana Tech
CETYS
Arizona Christian and Ottawa Arizona

North would be the Montanas, Idaho, Washington, Canadas and Oregon schools.
South would be the 2 Californias, 2 Arizonas and 1 Mexico school. They could try and get Dixie State back. If Sierra Nevada or Nevada State adds football? I think they could be perfect for D2 GNAC football south. East Bay State, if they add football, could go there as well. The two Arizona private schools could fit in nicely in the California D2 conference that is mainly made up of private California schools.
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The article that kicked off this thread mentioned that "a potential invite could come as early as December". With today's news of Cal State- Bakersfield leaving the WAC, is it possible that they are looking Tarleton (and others) to join the WAC
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(10-10-2017 06:53 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Sam Houston St and Lamar have expressed interest in the Belt and been turned down. Any school that has been rejected by the Belt is pursuing other avenues to FBS, including Jax St and EKU. S F Austin doesn't have the enrollment or local media of those two, but likely don't want to be left behind. Mo St needs to be FBS to move up, but they can't afford to leave the MVC to do it. Wichita St needs FBS to become a full member of the AAC, as that league won't take a start up fb program.

Wichita STate has everything they want or need from the AAC. They talked about starting football in order to get their blue-ribbon basketball program out of the dying Missouri Valley. Mission Accomplished.
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(11-27-2017 06:20 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  The article that kicked off this thread mentioned that "a potential invite could come as early as December". With today's news of Cal State- Bakersfield leaving the WAC, is it possible that they are looking Tarleton (and others) to join the WAC


That could explained why the Lone Star went up to a 19 conference of teams of Texas and Oklahoma schools. Lone Star Conference was proactive about merging with the Heartland Conference except for Neuman. Lone Star could lose like up to 5 schools.
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To me the better solution would be for the WAC (GCU, NMSU, and UTRGV) to invite five schools from the Southland - Abilene Christian, A&M Corpus Christi, Stephen F. Austin, Incarnate Word, and Houston Baptist.
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(11-27-2017 07:04 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  To me the better solution would be for the WAC (GCU, NMSU, and UTRGV) to invite five schools from the Southland - Abilene Christian, A&M Corpus Christi, Stephen F. Austin, Incarnate Word, and Houston Baptist.


WAC needs to be stable first before any Southland schools joining. If the WAC could stablized with some Lone Star schools? You might be able to pull some Southland schools. I have been reading in places that Delta State might move up to D1, and they are close to the Louisiana schools in the Southland.

This is what I have been saying all along about more D2 coming up to help out in places.
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(11-27-2017 08:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 07:04 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  To me the better solution would be for the WAC (GCU, NMSU, and UTRGV) to invite five schools from the Southland - Abilene Christian, A&M Corpus Christi, Stephen F. Austin, Incarnate Word, and Houston Baptist.


WAC needs to be stable first before any Southland schools joining. If the WAC could stablized with some Lone Star schools? You might be able to pull some Southland schools. I have been reading in places that Delta State might move up to D1, and they are close to the Louisiana schools in the Southland.

This is what I have been saying all along about more D2 coming up to help out in places.
You missed the point. The point is not to invite any more Division II schools, which means more mouths to feed. The point is for the existing members of the Southland to maximize their revenues by splitting a single NCAA unit 8 ways instead of 13 ways.

Besides, under current rules, Division II schools won’t do anything to maintain an existing conference’s automatic bid for four long years, which does nothing for stability.
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(11-27-2017 07:04 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  To me the better solution would be for the WAC (GCU, NMSU, and UTRGV) to invite five schools from the Southland - Abilene Christian, A&M Corpus Christi, Stephen F. Austin, Incarnate Word, and Houston Baptist.

Get ORU, Sam Houston St, and Lamar instead of Corpus, ACU, and HBU. ORU will be looking to change. Add Cal Poly, UC Davis, and Sac St for FBS in California and the WAC can be reborn as FBS.

Sam Houston St is in the FCS playoffs but can announce when they lose.
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As someone who grew up in Nacogdoches (home of SFA), I Can 1000% GUARANTEE that SFA will not be FBS for at least the next 50 years. And it is all because the entire city of Nacogdoches lives in their little delusional world of "change is bad." Its a shitehole of a town and it's run by people who like it that way. Same goes for SFA.
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I'd like to see 5-7 Lonestar schools move up and join the WAC. They'd bring stability to the league and a much needed geographic core.
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(10-09-2017 08:38 PM)NoDak Wrote:  jtacnews.com/9672/student-life/tarleton-creates-task-force-for-potential-d-i-invite/

Besides Tarleton St, Texas A&M-Commerce is rumored to be preparing for a Southland invite. Another rumor is that Prairie View A&M has been approached to change conferences. Because PVAM is an A&M system school, they may be open to it.

With the DII Lonestar Conference just merging with the Heartland Conference, something is up. Still suspect that Sam Houston St, SFA, and Lamar may leave for FBS or that Louisiana schools may be forced to merge, which would create havoc in the Southland.

A WAC could take them in, UTRGV starts FB with FBS as the goal and Wichita St and Mo St go fb only with the WAC. There has been coaches talk that fb schools will come to the WAC.

WAC football would be

NMSU
UTRGV
Sam Houston St
S F Austin
Lamar
Wichita St (fb only)
Mo St (fb only)

McNeese St, Incarnate Word, and UCA seem like stretches.

With the Southland having so many schools, something big is coming down the pike for it to consider expansion.

This needs to take place. It is inevitable and must happen soon.
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