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(10-09-2017 12:00 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 10:49 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 07:44 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 04:26 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  most on here feel mediocrity in G5/CUSA is acceptable.

I'll respond directly to this line as I probably would be one of the folks you're referring.

People who chose not to ***** and moan about everything and get angry at every loss don't accept mediocrity. That's an informal fallacy. Most of the statements on this board do not support that conclusion, that you and others in your camp surmised, because everyone isn't jumping up and down with pitch forks. They're looking for rebuttals to those claims trying to find hope wherever they can. They don't agree with you? They must accept mediocrity and therefore aren't true fans.

We are all fans of the same team searching for the same answers. Some chose to find a glimmer of hope in existing conditions. Others feel that hope was left in the CAA. Some would prefer to find that hope by searching for better conditions. Either way, I would prefer it it folks assumed positive intent in their messages and avoid the toxic "fanhood knocking" and belittling.

These boards are a echo of our school and team and we should hold ourselves to higher standards. You can tell we're a bunch of petulant newbies to this football thing.

/rant

:slow clap gif:

I'll have a beer for you as well. Might need a bigger cooler soon.

You never accept losses or your a loser and loses becomes part of your culture ! You never accept mediocrity or it becomes a reality and the status quo is the norm. If you are not doing everything you can as a fan, coach, player, administrator to make the team, programs, or academics the very best then you are doomed for failure.

And tell us what exactly you are doing to make the programs the very best. Maybe we can emulate your approach.

Start by endowing an academic scholarship.

(10-09-2017 11:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  You never accept losses or your a loser and loses becomes part of your culture ! You never accept mediocrity or it becomes a reality and the status quo is the norm. If you are not doing everything you can as a fan, coach, player, administrator to make the team, programs, or academics the very best then you are doomed for failure.

C'mon, Mr.BB, I don't think you really mean this. High standards are admirable. But, in the absence of perspective, they become absurd.

This is a football game. It is, at most, a means to an education for our student-athletes. It should be nothing more than entertainment for we fans.

I have no doubt that you apply the highest of standards to your professional, family and community responsibilities -- as you should. Those are important. A football game, and posting opinions on the subject, are not.

By way of example, let's apply your statement to something that is clearly unimportant: posting standards. I count no less than three grammar, spelling and syntax problems in your post. By my way of thinking, no big deal. Posting on this forum is perhaps the least important thing that I (and I presume you) will do today. But, by your logic, do these careless errors render you a "loser" and "doomed [to] failure?"

I hope not.

it is easy to criticize ones typing abilities. I will refrain for correcting errors in your post. Try sticking to the intent of the message. We should not be accepting of losses....period. We should also not be even hint that it is acceptable to be mediocre. Either you are in it to win at the FBS level or we should have never moved in the first place. Our expectation should be simple....we should have a reasonable expectation to win every game we play. Yes, even against a P5 program.

(10-09-2017 02:01 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  You never accept losses or your a loser and loses becomes part of your culture ! You never accept mediocrity or it becomes a reality and the status quo is the norm. If you are not doing everything you can as a fan, coach, player, administrator to make the team, programs, or academics the very best then you are doomed for failure.

C'mon, Mr.BB, I don't think you really mean this. High standards are admirable. But, in the absence of perspective, they become absurd.

This is a football game. It is, at most, a means to an education for our student-athletes. It should be nothing more than entertainment for we fans.

I have no doubt that you apply the highest of standards to your professional, family and community responsibilities -- as you should. Those are important. A football game, and posting opinions on the subject, are not.

By way of example, let's apply your statement to something that is clearly unimportant: posting standards. I count no less than three grammar, spelling and syntax problems in your post. By my way of thinking, no big deal. Posting on this forum is perhaps the least important thing that I (and I presume you) will do today. But, by your logic, do these careless errors render you a "loser" and "doomed [to] failure?"

I hope not.

it is easy to criticize ones typing abilities. I will refrain for correcting errors in your post. Try sticking to the intent of the message. We should not be accepting of losses....period. We should also not be even hint that it is acceptable to be mediocre. Either you are in it to win at the FBS level or we should have never moved in the first place. Our expectation should be simple....we should have a reasonable expectation to win every game we play. Yes, even against a P5 program.

Yes I agree but you also have to be realistic to an extent. If alabama or clemson had the injuries we have they would also not be playing at the level they are capable of playing. The loss to FAU is because of 60% poor coaching and 40% injuries. Coaching must be better but you cant just ignore the other 40%

So to get it straight....a realistic expectation for the odu football program is to win every game played. Got it.

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(10-09-2017 01:49 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 12:00 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 10:49 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 07:44 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  I'll respond directly to this line as I probably would be one of the folks you're referring.

People who chose not to ***** and moan about everything and get angry at every loss don't accept mediocrity. That's an informal fallacy. Most of the statements on this board do not support that conclusion, that you and others in your camp surmised, because everyone isn't jumping up and down with pitch forks. They're looking for rebuttals to those claims trying to find hope wherever they can. They don't agree with you? They must accept mediocrity and therefore aren't true fans.

We are all fans of the same team searching for the same answers. Some chose to find a glimmer of hope in existing conditions. Others feel that hope was left in the CAA. Some would prefer to find that hope by searching for better conditions. Either way, I would prefer it it folks assumed positive intent in their messages and avoid the toxic "fanhood knocking" and belittling.

These boards are a echo of our school and team and we should hold ourselves to higher standards. You can tell we're a bunch of petulant newbies to this football thing.

/rant

:slow clap gif:

I'll have a beer for you as well. Might need a bigger cooler soon.

You never accept losses or your a loser and loses becomes part of your culture ! You never accept mediocrity or it becomes a reality and the status quo is the norm. If you are not doing everything you can as a fan, coach, player, administrator to make the team, programs, or academics the very best then you are doomed for failure.

And tell us what exactly you are doing to make the programs the very best. Maybe we can emulate your approach.

Start by endowing an academic scholarship.

Close to being done.

(10-09-2017 11:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 10:49 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 07:44 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 04:26 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 04:20 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  I’d take best FCS team in the country year after year over this garbage we have going on right now.

most on here feel mediocrity in G5/CUSA is acceptable.

I'll respond directly to this line as I probably would be one of the folks you're referring.

People who chose not to ***** and moan about everything and get angry at every loss don't accept mediocrity. That's an informal fallacy. Most of the statements on this board do not support that conclusion, that you and others in your camp surmised, because everyone isn't jumping up and down with pitch forks. They're looking for rebuttals to those claims trying to find hope wherever they can. They don't agree with you? They must accept mediocrity and therefore aren't true fans.

We are all fans of the same team searching for the same answers. Some chose to find a glimmer of hope in existing conditions. Others feel that hope was left in the CAA. Some would prefer to find that hope by searching for better conditions. Either way, I would prefer it it folks assumed positive intent in their messages and avoid the toxic "fanhood knocking" and belittling.

These boards are a echo of our school and team and we should hold ourselves to higher standards. You can tell we're a bunch of petulant newbies to this football thing.

/rant

:slow clap gif:

I'll have a beer for you as well. Might need a bigger cooler soon.

You never accept losses or your a loser and loses becomes part of your culture ! You never accept mediocrity or it becomes a reality and the status quo is the norm. If you are not doing everything you can as a fan, coach, player, administrator to make the team, programs, or academics the very best then you are doomed for failure.

Does anybody know BigBlue IRL? I can't tell if this is a strong troll job or if he's going to stroke out. I guess the latter. I can see the spittle flying as he types. Someone give him Dr. Finney's number. He's got a lot of misplaced anger.

You do understand this is a bunch of 18 year olds chasing an inflated pig's bladder, right? I don't get the anger. We all want a solid, winning team. Hell, I want all ODU's teams to be strong, winning teams. Some years it doesn't happen. Why get all bent out of shape? What does that change? Regardless of what the team does on the field, the sun will rise in the east and set in the west.

There are A LOT of things that need fixing. Why dwell on the negative? None of it is within your power. Otherwise, you'd be banging out a VERY sternly worded email to someone in Sector 7G of the Administration instead of making my ears bleed with your screeching.


Just out of curiosity, did you graduate from ODU? I didn't, but my kid will, hence my ODU fandom. Do you feel that the football team devalues your degree somehow?[EDIT: I meant the team's performance, not the team itself]

I'm going to leave you with this, tweeted by a UNC fan on Saturday. I don't know the guy, someone I know retweeted it. They're having a ****** season, too, and there are a lot of similarities between the two situations. I think it's appropriate here.

https://twitter.com/ScottBlack24/status/...6763672576

I'll retract that. Not interested in a running battle with Big Blue. Our opinions differ. Let's leave it at that.

(10-09-2017 07:51 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 11:52 PM)Petey Hodge Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 06:16 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Lol. I got some ideas, but certainly open to suggestions.

Petey?

Put an ODU sticker on this, and you're good to go!

complete lack of class; yeah, put an ODU sticker on it, show people what we're all about.,

I'm sure glad you said something. Until you did, I was actually going to do this.

(10-09-2017 02:04 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 02:01 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  You never accept losses or your a loser and loses becomes part of your culture ! You never accept mediocrity or it becomes a reality and the status quo is the norm. If you are not doing everything you can as a fan, coach, player, administrator to make the team, programs, or academics the very best then you are doomed for failure.

C'mon, Mr.BB, I don't think you really mean this. High standards are admirable. But, in the absence of perspective, they become absurd.

This is a football game. It is, at most, a means to an education for our student-athletes. It should be nothing more than entertainment for we fans.

I have no doubt that you apply the highest of standards to your professional, family and community responsibilities -- as you should. Those are important. A football game, and posting opinions on the subject, are not.

By way of example, let's apply your statement to something that is clearly unimportant: posting standards. I count no less than three grammar, spelling and syntax problems in your post. By my way of thinking, no big deal. Posting on this forum is perhaps the least important thing that I (and I presume you) will do today. But, by your logic, do these careless errors render you a "loser" and "doomed [to] failure?"

I hope not.

it is easy to criticize ones typing abilities. I will refrain for correcting errors in your post. Try sticking to the intent of the message. We should not be accepting of losses....period. We should also not be even hint that it is acceptable to be mediocre. Either you are in it to win at the FBS level or we should have never moved in the first place. Our expectation should be simple....we should have a reasonable expectation to win every game we play. Yes, even against a P5 program.

Yes I agree but you also have to be realistic to an extent. If alabama or clemson had the injuries we have they would also not be playing at the level they are capable of playing. The loss to FAU is because of 60% poor coaching and 40% injuries. Coaching must be better but you cant just ignore the other 40%

You really believe those percentages are right. Every team has injuries but some teams adjust their game plan to account for those injuries and the fact that nothing they are doing is working.

(10-09-2017 07:32 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 02:04 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 02:01 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  You never accept losses or your a loser and loses becomes part of your culture ! You never accept mediocrity or it becomes a reality and the status quo is the norm. If you are not doing everything you can as a fan, coach, player, administrator to make the team, programs, or academics the very best then you are doomed for failure.

C'mon, Mr.BB, I don't think you really mean this. High standards are admirable. But, in the absence of perspective, they become absurd.

This is a football game. It is, at most, a means to an education for our student-athletes. It should be nothing more than entertainment for we fans.

I have no doubt that you apply the highest of standards to your professional, family and community responsibilities -- as you should. Those are important. A football game, and posting opinions on the subject, are not.

By way of example, let's apply your statement to something that is clearly unimportant: posting standards. I count no less than three grammar, spelling and syntax problems in your post. By my way of thinking, no big deal. Posting on this forum is perhaps the least important thing that I (and I presume you) will do today. But, by your logic, do these careless errors render you a "loser" and "doomed [to] failure?"

I hope not.

it is easy to criticize ones typing abilities. I will refrain for correcting errors in your post. Try sticking to the intent of the message. We should not be accepting of losses....period. We should also not be even hint that it is acceptable to be mediocre. Either you are in it to win at the FBS level or we should have never moved in the first place. Our expectation should be simple....we should have a reasonable expectation to win every game we play. Yes, even against a P5 program.

Yes I agree but you also have to be realistic to an extent. If alabama or clemson had the injuries we have they would also not be playing at the level they are capable of playing. The loss to FAU is because of 60% poor coaching and 40% injuries. Coaching must be better but you cant just ignore the other 40%

You really believe those percentages are right. Every team has injuries but some teams adjust their game plan to account for those injuries and the fact that nothing they are doing is working.

Well what would you put the percentages at?

80/20 probably less than that. Yes we were missing 2 defensive lineman but bring the linebackers and safeties closer to the line to make up for that. Especially considering we had the 2 ends wide to protect the outside. Their big runs came from the inside of our ends (who were the ones hurt). Stacking the box fixes that problem. We never adjusted our defense. That was the main problem. We were missing corners but they only threw the ball 4 times the entire second half per Ed. So I wouldn't blame those injuries.