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RE: ODU Defense
(10-11-2017 02:55 PM)ODUFBFan Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 02:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 02:40 PM)ODUFBFan Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 02:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 12:29 PM)ODUFBFan Wrote:  @ 2:18 they run a blitz with 37 coming off the outside and the DLine stunting to the left. 32 slides to where the blitz is coming from hoping that all the Dlinemen makes it to their gaps but the RE never crosses the LT's face. If the DE crosses the tackle the RB would most likely cut to the outside between the H-back and the LT and 32 should make the tackle there

@ 4:14 the NT got reached by the center and that should never happen because now 32 has 2 gaps in front of him. If the NT never gets reached the RB would have to cutback to the backside A gap where 37 may make the tackle it'll still be may be about a 8-10 yard gain but not a 1st down

@ 4:31 on power reads the backside LB (#32) has to see the pulling guard and get overtop of that tackle coming to block him

@ 5:39 this is like the same blitz @2:18 but 37 is the seam/curl defender on that side but should just slide over a couple steps not full out run to the WRs because he should be playing the run first

@ 6:06 37 isn't wrong here. FAU runs a read option. The DE takes the dive and the LB takes the QB. The LBs are also taught to key the H-back since the H-back came back and cut/kick out the DE, 32 should rock back and fit in that gap

@ 6:54 same as @4:31 45 made the right fit the backside LB(#43) has to get overtop when he sees the guard pull

they just need to clean up the mistakes and make tackles

I know all this because I played this defense for 3 years

Thanks for the additional comments. Really enjoy the feedback. Please post more defensive analysis when possible!

What do you think were the biggest issues on Saturday?

Biggest issues were tackling and not reading and reacting to keys well. And I thought coach nagy would make the adjustment on the power read and play it like we did last year against Southern Miss

What were the adjustments vs. Southern Miss/How did we play it? I guess the glaring difference I could see is Howard could not throw the ball vs. well. Driskell isn't great, but certainly a step up from first start version of Howard.

I just rewatched the FAU highlights and their power read wasn't ran out of gun split like USM so the only thing that I think that might have helped was to set the defensive front away from the RB instead of to him, because it's easier to run power to the side of the shade than it is to the 3-tech

Two of the three LBs mentioned above, #43 Zach Lackman, and #32 Jordan Young are redshirt Freshmen. Additionally, Young was a QB in high school.
Even the third LB, #37 Jr. Marvin Branch is a regular starter for the first time.
That is a tough defense to put very inexperienced LBs into and expect them to make their reads.

Although we (DL) are big and strong and fast enough to play an inside run well, our defense has never covered gaps well, and has historically had trouble when teams could run outside the tackles.

- Why was a relatively experienced DL of now FBS recruits missing so many assignments? (that the very green LBs made mistakes was not really a surprise, nor was their one-on one tackling vs stud RBs).

- Given that reality, why wouldn't Nagy have gone man, and brought the safeties up every play; at least for the second half?

- Why do we continue to have tackling issues year after year?
I suspect that at least some of it is that players are so far out of position that they scramble to get back to the ball carrier and are off balance.

-If so, why are are our players seemingly having so much trouble with gap coverage year after year?


There comes a time when the above questions need to be answered and adjustments need to be made.
10-12-2017 01:00 AM
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RE: ODU Defense
(10-12-2017 01:00 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 02:55 PM)ODUFBFan Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 02:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 02:40 PM)ODUFBFan Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 02:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Thanks for the additional comments. Really enjoy the feedback. Please post more defensive analysis when possible!

What do you think were the biggest issues on Saturday?

Biggest issues were tackling and not reading and reacting to keys well. And I thought coach nagy would make the adjustment on the power read and play it like we did last year against Southern Miss

What were the adjustments vs. Southern Miss/How did we play it? I guess the glaring difference I could see is Howard could not throw the ball vs. well. Driskell isn't great, but certainly a step up from first start version of Howard.

I just rewatched the FAU highlights and their power read wasn't ran out of gun split like USM so the only thing that I think that might have helped was to set the defensive front away from the RB instead of to him, because it's easier to run power to the side of the shade than it is to the 3-tech

Two of the three LBs mentioned above, #43 Zach Lackman, and #32 Jordan Young are redshirt Freshmen. Additionally, Young was a QB in high school.
Even the third LB, #37 Jr. Marvin Branch is a regular starter for the first time.
That is a tough defense to put very inexperienced LBs into and expect them to make their reads.

Although we (DL) are big and strong and fast enough to play an inside run well, our defense has never covered gaps well, and has historically had trouble when teams could run outside the tackles.

- Why was a relatively experienced DL of now FBS recruits missing so many assignments? (that the very green LBs made mistakes was not really a surprise, nor was their one-on one tackling vs stud RBs).

- Given that reality, why wouldn't Nagy have gone man, and brought the safeties up every play; at least for the second half?

- Why do we continue to have tackling issues year after year?
I suspect that at least some of it is that players are so far out of position that they scramble to get back to the ball carrier and are off balance.

-If so, why are are our players seemingly having so much trouble with gap coverage year after year?


There comes a time when the above questions need to be answered and adjustments need to be made.

I know that they're just redshirt freshmen and I also know that they drill seeing guards pull and getting overtop. The guard is one of their keys to read, I know practice speed and game speed are 2 different things but they'll eventually get accustomed to the game speed the more they see it in games because I'm pretty sure opposing teams will have it in their gameplans. And from where I was sitting in the stands and watching the signals from coach Nagy he called man a few times.

And there were tackling and gap coverage issues last year?
10-14-2017 01:25 PM
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No D U is back !
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(10-14-2017 03:27 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  No D U is back !

Lazy post. The D played good enough to win in the first half when they had a chance to rest. Then the running game got stuck in neutral, the passing game continued to be awful and they end up on the field for the majority of the second half. They understandably got gassed.
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RE: ODU Defense
The defense cannot sustain intensity when the Williams led offense is horrible.

The defense has a handicap at defensive coordinator.

When your good defensive play is rewarded by 3 and out, you lose your motivation.

The defense gets somewhat of a pass here.
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The D played fine for three quarters. When the O doesn't give them any rest they're going to wear out in the 4th. I blame the offense.
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RE: ODU Defense
(10-14-2017 05:24 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  The defense has a handicap at offense.

There we go. They're doing what they can but getting on the field every 3 plays isn't unsustainable.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.
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Yeah, you cannot blame the defense today.
10-14-2017 06:50 PM
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(10-14-2017 06:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Yeah, you cannot blame the defense today.

No, you cannot.
However our defense was not spectacular either, as Marshall exceeded it's season averages in both yards per carry, and yards per pass.
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RE: ODU Defense
(10-14-2017 07:55 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-14-2017 06:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Yeah, you cannot blame the defense today.

No, you cannot.
However our defense was not spectacular either, as Marshall exceeded it's season averages in both yards per carry, and yards per pass.
But what did those numbers look like before our offense started going 3 and out on every series?

I think our defense is actually pretty decent, but not good enough to overcome a bunch of turnovers or being on the field constantly when the offense can't move the ball. If we were a good offensive team, I think we would be impressed with our defense, but they definitely are not good/deep enough to carry the team by themselves.

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RE: ODU Defense
(10-14-2017 08:20 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(10-14-2017 07:55 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-14-2017 06:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Yeah, you cannot blame the defense today.

No, you cannot.
However our defense was not spectacular either, as Marshall exceeded it's season averages in both yards per carry, and yards per pass.
But what did those numbers look like before our offense started going 3 and out on every series?

I think our defense is actually pretty decent, but not good enough to overcome a bunch of turnovers or being on the field constantly when the offense can't move the ball. If we were a good offensive team, I think we would be impressed with our defense, but they definitely are not good/deep enough to carry the team by themselves.

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Our defense was ok.
However, to answer your question:

Rush
Marshall averaged only 3.9 yards per carry for the season. Against us they averaged 4.9 for the game. They actually averaged 6 yards per (of 13) carry in the first half when our D was fresh.

Pass
Marshall averaged 6.78 yards per pass for the season. Against us for the game they averaged 7.7. In the first half they averaged 6 yards per pass.

I think some had higher expectations with the defense at full strength, but certainly there was nothing at all in this loss to blame the defense for.
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