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The problem as I see it is Trump just wants to deal. We have no idea what it’s going to look like or be. The cynic in me says why give Trump the colossal win? The pragmatic side of me says this is exactly what our country needs. Can you imagine the consternation on the far right? The Trumpkins aren’t leaving him. The only time his poll numbers went up is when they did the bi partisan deal in early September. This is a dangerous time to be a partisan. Trump wants to be loved. What if he sees he can make deals with D’s and get things done. That would get him a 2nd term. I am honestly conflicted. This is exactly the type of presidency I have wanted for a long while. Trump could become the rights Clinton. The guy who crossed the party to get deals. How would Fox News treat that? How would the MSM? Interesting.
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(10-07-2017 08:41 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The problem as I see it is Trump just wants to deal. We have no idea what it’s going to look like or be. The cynic in me says why give Trump the colossal win? The pragmatic side of me says this is exactly what our country needs. Can you imagine the consternation on the far right? The Trumpkins aren’t leaving him. The only time his poll numbers went up is when they did the bi partisan deal in early September. This is a dangerous time to be a partisan. Trump wants to be loved. What if he sees he can make deals with D’s and get things done. That would get him a 2nd term. I am honestly conflicted. This is exactly the type of presidency I have wanted for a long while. Trump could become the rights Clinton. The guy who crossed the party to get deals. How would Fox News treat that? How would the MSM? Interesting.


Wait.

"For a long time" you've wanted an agent and stooge of THE ROOSKIES!!! in office?

Hunh.


Course you voted for H>, so I guess so...

Dreams do come true, Mach!
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I trust Schumer as much as the left trusts Trump.
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Trump will sign anything.
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That’s the thing. Trump is about himself. First second and last. If it would improve his standing he would do a deal faster than you can say Cochise.
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Putin has disrupted everything. It was the perfect plan. Elect a Republican. Upset the Apple cart. Vast majority of the base will fall in line. You watch.
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(10-07-2017 10:59 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Putin has disrupted everything. It was the perfect plan. Elect a Republican. Upset the Apple cart. Vast majority of the base will fall in line. You watch.

Republicans just need something or someone to be perpetually outraged about, so it works
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(10-07-2017 11:07 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(10-07-2017 10:59 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Putin has disrupted everything. It was the perfect plan. Elect a Republican. Upset the Apple cart. Vast majority of the base will fall in line. You watch.
Republicans just need something or someone to be perpetually outraged about, so it works

As obviously do democrats.
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If he does a deal with Shumer to fix health care how will Fox treat that? Rush? Coulter already hopped off the Trump train. Trump’s base won’t.
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Owl 69. Wrong.

Most Democrats are collectivists. Get along within the group. You saying that just goes to show you you don’t know or understand Democrats. At their heart they see the economy of scale. We all do better under a rising tide. It’s Republicans that get fired up about the individual. What’s in it for me.
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(10-07-2017 11:11 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Owl 69. Wrong.

Most Democrats are collectivists. Get along within the group. You saying that just goes to show you you don’t know or understand Democrats. At their heart they see the economy of scale. We all do better under a rising tide. It’s Republicans that get fired up about the individual. What’s in it for me.

Democrats (as a whole) are about jealousy. They don't want to see anybody get ahead. "You didn't build that."
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They didn’t. It took a village to build those roads was the sentiment. More than half of you were born on third base and think you hit a home run.
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(10-07-2017 11:11 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Owl 69. Wrong.
Most Democrats are collectivists. Get along within the group. You saying that just goes to show you you don’t know or understand Democrats. At their heart they see the economy of scale. We all do better under a rising tide. It’s Republicans that get fired up about the individual. What’s in it for me.

Collectivist = socialist/communist. Agreed on that point.
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All I'm waiting for is for Demoncrats to refer themselves as Comrades. It started a bit with OBlunder's idea of calling heads of departments as Czars.
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(10-07-2017 11:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-07-2017 11:11 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Owl 69. Wrong.

Most Democrats are collectivists. Get along within the group. You saying that just goes to show you you don’t know or understand Democrats. At their heart they see the economy of scale. We all do better under a rising tide. It’s Republicans that get fired up about the individual. What’s in it for me.

Democrats (as a whole) are about jealousy. They don't want to see anybody get ahead. "You didn't build that."

You are making our point. The entire quote is "Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business – you didn't build that." "That" referring to roads and bridges. However the right wing outraged machine got cranked up and needed another villain to satisfy their appetite.
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It’s absolutely amazing the little things that get taken out of context that these guys recite as fact. The Pelosi comment that we have to pass it to see it is example numero uno. The Al Gore internet stuff. These guys just run with it.
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(10-07-2017 12:10 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It’s absolutely amazing the little things that get taken out of context that these guys recite as fact. The Pelosi comment that we have to pass it to see it is example numero uno. The Al Gore internet stuff. These guys just run with it.

Words mean things. How about Pelosi's "slippery slope" comment?
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(10-07-2017 12:10 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It’s absolutely amazing the little things that get taken out of context that these guys recite as fact. The Pelosi comment that we have to pass it to see it is example numero uno. The Al Gore internet stuff. These guys just run with it.


Those comments were part of a prepared speech. She can't even say it was a verbal mistake in an off the cuff remark. She thought about the comments and thought it was so good she included in her speech. She is a moron and has always been so.

I've never understood why Democrats are so concerned that Trump might foster a better relationship with Russia. Most Democrats are much closer to the Russian concepts of government than they are the average Republicans political preferences.

Trump Understands incrementalism and dealmaking. He is not an ideologue. If he can move closer to his goals he is willing to do so. Too many Republicans would rather stick to their principles and lose an all or nothing vote, than win a portion of what they want in a compromise.
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Putin is running an oligarchy
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(10-07-2017 11:16 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They didn’t. It took a village to build those roads was the sentiment. More than half of you were born on third base and think you hit a home run.

Ask the guys who actually built the roads how many villagers were there pouring concrete. Ask the concrete manufacturer how many villagers gave him money to get started. This is exactly the kind of Karl Marx crap that Dems love to spout that makes me wonder why they have an issue with Russia. Cradle to grave--isn't that what you "takes a village" guys want? Why on earth would you oppose Russian expansion? They seem to be exporting the "enlightened" government you desire.
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