While I don't always agree with Paglia, I do very much agree with her on many topics such as this one. Dr. Jordan Peterson is always agreeable to me. This is a small part of their conversation.

Smart lady. Liberal who loathes progressives.

I would rather dunk my head in 33 degree water before I engaged in conversation with those two........

that's more yabba dabba pseudo intellectual douche-key than should be allowed.....