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(10-07-2017 07:49 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 07:41 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 07:36 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Folks this is on Wilder. There is no way we should be in this kind of situation. Horrible coaching and horrible recruiting have put us where we are.

I just think taking the red shirt off of Steven Williams was a bad idea. He could have used that extra year of seasoning. Strikes me as a total panic move on Wilder's part.

He thought Williams was the best chance at success this season. It's an understandable risk. They were never going to coalesce around LaRussa or Hoy.

Probably the best way to look at this season is a de facto redshirt for the whole team. Forget about winning -- I mean, try, obviously, but focus on getting better for next season, with Williams having a year under his belt, hopefully Lawry back with Cox and more experience all over.

That's what our Basketball team does. Next year.

Our O hasn't been good, but we do have 28 points. This performance is on the D. FAU has 3 players closing in on 400 yards rushing.

(10-07-2017 07:43 PM)Vabirds Wrote:  Williams sucks....when he isn't throwing INT's he throws 15 feet over the heads of our guys. He needs to recruit a QB.

Coach whitcomb has no ******* clue how to. TH luckily fell into our lap if not we wouldn't be where we are and that's damn true.

Oh we need to let go our WR coach if we have one after this game.

(10-07-2017 07:54 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 07:49 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 07:41 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 07:36 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Folks this is on Wilder. There is no way we should be in this kind of situation. Horrible coaching and horrible recruiting have put us where we are.

I just think taking the red shirt off of Steven Williams was a bad idea. He could have used that extra year of seasoning. Strikes me as a total panic move on Wilder's part.

He thought Williams was the best chance at success this season. It's an understandable risk. They were never going to coalesce around LaRussa or Hoy.

Probably the best way to look at this season is a de facto redshirt for the whole team. Forget about winning -- I mean, try, obviously, but focus on getting better for next season, with Williams having a year under his belt, hopefully Lawry back with Cox and more experience all over.

That's what our Basketball team does. Next year.

Our O hasn't been good, but we do have 28 points. This performance is on the D. FAU has 3 players closing in on 400 yards rushing.

By no means is it ideal but if we accept that this season is a lost cause, then at the very least they can use the time to get tomorrow's starters some run today. Even if it means trading in an outside shot at a bowl by not using your best players today.

It's good we had 2 weeks to prepare for FAU or they might have beaten us badly. Oh wait.

57 consecutive sell-outs. What a joke! Whoever is buying these tickets is not bothering to show up.

How bad must Drayton Arnold be?

T*A*C*K*L*E! Apparently a concept that is no longer taught.

Add an FBS coach to a mediocre team and look what they do to us.

I could go on but why bother. At least we are still a 2nd rate team in a 2nd rate conference which is apparently what everyone wants.

(10-07-2017 07:57 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 07:54 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 07:49 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 07:41 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 07:36 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Folks this is on Wilder. There is no way we should be in this kind of situation. Horrible coaching and horrible recruiting have put us where we are.

I just think taking the red shirt off of Steven Williams was a bad idea. He could have used that extra year of seasoning. Strikes me as a total panic move on Wilder's part.

He thought Williams was the best chance at success this season. It's an understandable risk. They were never going to coalesce around LaRussa or Hoy.

Probably the best way to look at this season is a de facto redshirt for the whole team. Forget about winning -- I mean, try, obviously, but focus on getting better for next season, with Williams having a year under his belt, hopefully Lawry back with Cox and more experience all over.

That's what our Basketball team does. Next year.

Our O hasn't been good, but we do have 28 points. This performance is on the D. FAU has 3 players closing in on 400 yards rushing.

By no means is it ideal but if we accept that this season is a lost cause, then at the very least they can use the time to get tomorrow's starters some run today. Even if it means trading in an outside shot at a bowl by not using your best players today.

I think our Defense has taken you up on this.

(10-07-2017 08:00 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 07:57 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 07:54 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 07:49 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 07:41 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  I just think taking the red shirt off of Steven Williams was a bad idea. He could have used that extra year of seasoning. Strikes me as a total panic move on Wilder's part.

He thought Williams was the best chance at success this season. It's an understandable risk. They were never going to coalesce around LaRussa or Hoy.

Probably the best way to look at this season is a de facto redshirt for the whole team. Forget about winning -- I mean, try, obviously, but focus on getting better for next season, with Williams having a year under his belt, hopefully Lawry back with Cox and more experience all over.

That's what our Basketball team does. Next year.

Our O hasn't been good, but we do have 28 points. This performance is on the D. FAU has 3 players closing in on 400 yards rushing.

By no means is it ideal but if we accept that this season is a lost cause, then at the very least they can use the time to get tomorrow's starters some run today. Even if it means trading in an outside shot at a bowl by not using your best players today.

I think our Defense has taken you up on this.

Look, I can forgive the defense a little bit. No Rotimi, no Apouh, no Addison and no Thompson. That's a lot of talent to try to make up for.

This sums up the 2017 season of ODU football for me!

(10-07-2017 10:21 AM)odu83alumni Wrote:  Nonsense. This is the game S. Williams goes up the ladder to the roof. Houston we have liftoff.

Houston, we have a problem!

Coach Wilder did not use the allotted preseason practices allowed by the NCAA.

Coach Wilder took the kids bowling during preseason practice.

Coach Wilder gave the team 4 days off after the VT game.

I've talked about Wilders shortcomings till I'm blue in the face. Seventeen years at Maine Blah, Blah, Blah Yada, Yada. People just don't wanna listen. I mean, he's a charmer. What else do you need? Should have been a politician. Just not a very good coach.

While we are all crying, has anyone else taken a moment to notice what the rest of the confernence did last night? It was indeed a crazy Saturday.

Middle Tennessee beat FIU 37-17. That is one game that was pretty much as expected.

UAB beat LA Tech 23-22. Say what? That was supposed to be a Tech win going away.

Marshall beat Charlotte by a whopping 14-3. Does this mean that we have a chance against Marshall, or will we have a hard time beating Charlotte?

Army rolls over Rice 49-12. A return to normalcy. Could Rice remain a potential win for the Monarchs?

USM leaves San Antonio with the win over UTSA 31-29. Yeah it was close, but maybe the adoration of the Runners will lose some of its luster as they match the Monarchs at 0-1 in conference play.

WKU ekes out a win over hapless UTEP, 15-14. Hmm. Maybe if the Monarchs get their act together, this could be an unexpected potential win -- right here at S. B. Ballard Stadium at Foreman Field.

Yep, a crazy week in good ole Conference USA for sure. Somehow, I think the craziness is just getting started. Can't wait to see what happens next week.

Cheers!

After such an unsettling loss I don't profess to have any perspective on team talent or coaching. All I know is what I saw, a complete ass whipping. So I'm not even going to make any comment that hasn't already been said.
Let me just say this. TED ALEXANDER SUCKS as an announcer. I left early so heard him in the 4th quarter make a comment about a punt that took a good roll, saying "tip toe thru the tulips"!!! Are you kidding me??? He's the only thing more embarrassing than the horrible loss. Maybe we need new FBS quality coaches and new FBS players, but we absolutely need a new FBS quality play by play man.

Now, help me understand. Do we need a new coaching staff and/or new players, or are we still just working out the kinks? The staggering regression I saw last night is totally inexplicable to me. The D had been showing steady signs of improvement over the past 2 years but last night was shades of early FCS. What happened?? Why are the offensive plays so boring and well....offensive? Can't Scott come up with something more imaginative? How can an O line with a year of experience under it's belt be so bad? If it's a talent issue then they will be almost as bad as seniors as they are as sophomores. Is it because Scott is so predictable even a pro line couldn't block for his plays?? Every friggin game since last year We have seen the defense stack the box and blitz, nothing new, but we are not adjusting, WHY?
After reading this post I think I see the answer: New coaching staff. Theoretically next year we should be about as good as we've ever been. Very few seniors this year. If Wilder and Co. don't produce, fire them and start over. The program is trying to fund a new stadium and simply can't afford games or seasons like last night.

Late in the first quarter I turned to my buddy and said "is it my imagination or do we run the same 4 or 5 plays from the same formation over and over?". Late in the second quarter, a couple of new folks moved down from up higher and sat behind me. The first thing he said to his buddy was "we have the same look on every play..it must not be hard to game plan against us".

Anyone else have this thought?

^agree. I blame my lack of playing much football for my confusion about why we don't do anything different or creative, but I'm starting to believe Scott just isn't FBS material. I watched several FAU running plays that involved multiple fake hand offs and thought" Why the F... can't we design these types of plays? Straight up the gut and side line to side line passes just won't get it done.
Kiffen showed me what an offensive minded coach should look like. We don't have that!

(10-08-2017 10:15 AM)Quagmire Wrote:  Late in the first quarter I turned to my buddy and said "is it my imagination or do we run the same 4 or 5 plays from the same formation over and over?". Late in the second quarter, a couple of new folks moved down from up higher and sat behind me. The first thing he said to his buddy was "we have the same look on every play..it must not be hard to game plan against us".

Anyone else have this thought?

Indeed. This has been discussed for years.
Always there have been "reasons" given ( new QB, green OLinemen, receivers who could not yet make their reads), but that doesn't alter the reality.
I remember a discussion in which another poster lauded the fact that we had 5-7 different "looks" leading to the inside handoff.
Well, one film session by opposing coaches mitigates any advantage there. It is still the inside handoff that still goes the same place without it going anywhere else.

After all these years we still seem to ignore the middle for the most part as well.

I still scratch my head with a call I made into a call in show after the Maryland game. I asked BW if we planned to run more. His reply was "We don't plan to rush much because we run the Spread."
Even if he was describing the Don Coryell Air Raid Spread, it still showed a fundamental lack of understanding of his own offense.

(10-08-2017 10:21 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  ^agree. I blame my lack of playing much football for my confusion about why we don't do anything different or creative, but I'm starting to believe Scott just isn't FBS material. I watched several FAU running plays that involved multiple fake hand offs and thought" Why the F... can't we design these types of plays? Straight up the gut and side line to side line passes just won't get it done.
Kiffen showed me what an offensive minded coach should look like. We don't have that!

There's nothing deceptive about our approach, lack of motion and misdirection. Receivers don't create separation.

Defense has been lit up for 53, 38 and 58 the last 3 times out and the 38 could have been much worse.

My biggest worry is I think the support from the fan base is eroding. The stadium empties out at halftime each week, sometimes for weather- other times because we look just awful.

Staff needs to come up with answers in a hurry.

(10-08-2017 10:15 AM)Quagmire Wrote:  Late in the first quarter I turned to my buddy and said "is it my imagination or do we run the same 4 or 5 plays from the same formation over and over?". Late in the second quarter, a couple of new folks moved down from up higher and sat behind me. The first thing he said to his buddy was "we have the same look on every play..it must not be hard to game plan against us".

Anyone else have this thought?

Funny how a couple weeks change everything. I was the one saying the same thing watching the tech game a couple weeks ago. The play calling is so bad, it's pathetic. No more good qbs to bail out our offensive coordinator. So I guess I wasn't crazy or over reacting?