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Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
This guy supposedly committed suicide, correct? Is there a better image of the shooter? If so, I'd like to see it, because what I see in this picture is a hand caught in a jacket sleeve. Do you shoot yourself while trying unsuccessfully to take off your jacket?

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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
I think one of the first things investigators do in cases like this is to "bag" the hands, to preserve any chemicals & what not so there's less risk of contamination once they move the body.
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
(10-05-2017 11:23 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  I think one of the first things investigators do in cases like this is to "bag" the hands, to preserve any chemicals & what not so there's less risk of contamination once they move the body.

That makes sense.
10-05-2017 11:24 AM
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
Or....and it's hard to tell, but the somewhat triangular shape may be the stock of a rifle that's possibly laying across his legs....instrument of suicide?
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
(10-05-2017 11:25 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  Or....and it's hard to tell, but the somewhat triangular shape may be the stock of a rifle that's possibly laying across his legs....instrument of suicide?

No, there is a definite cuff line. Where is his hand.
10-05-2017 11:27 AM
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
This picture is a bit brighter. Clearly shows a gloved hand on the stock of a rifle apparently under Paddock.
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
Was he left handed or right handed?
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
(10-05-2017 11:53 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Was he left handed or right handed?

From the pic, I'd say right. He was wearing a glove on his left hand since the barrel of the guns would heat up during sustained fire.
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
(10-05-2017 11:27 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  This picture is a bit brighter. Clearly shows a gloved hand on the stock of a rifle apparently under Paddock.
[Image: paddock-room1.jpg]

In this close-up it looks like he's wearing a glove and his hand is lying on a the stock that is incredibly close in color to the glove.

Looks like the rifle was on the floor and he fell backward. In this case the rifle would be underneath him. His hand happened to land on the stock.

I assume he's right-handed. If so, chances are the weapon he used to off himself is to his right out of frame.
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
(10-05-2017 11:19 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  This guy supposedly committed suicide, correct? Is there a better image of the shooter? If so, I'd like to see it, because what I see in this picture is a hand caught in a jacket sleeve. Do you shoot yourself while trying unsuccessfully to take off your jacket?

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Hard to tell what that is, looks more like a glove. The police secure the hands with clear bag and flex cuffs or a rubber bands at worst. I think. Whatever is over his hands is not secure.
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
looks like that guy had all of the weapons loaded before he started, so all he had to do was move back and forth from position to position, pick up a loaded weapon and continue firing.
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
(10-05-2017 12:09 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 11:27 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  This picture is a bit brighter. Clearly shows a gloved hand on the stock of a rifle apparently under Paddock.
[Image: paddock-room1.jpg]

In this close-up it looks like he's wearing a glove and his hand is lying on a the stock that is incredibly close in color to the glove.

Looks like the rifle was on the floor and he fell backward. In this case the rifle would be underneath him. His hand happened to land on the stock.

I assume he's right-handed. If so, chances are the weapon he used to off himself is to his right out of frame.

Yep. I'm satisfied. Not a jacket.
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
People are telling me that the ATF now believes the herosecurity guard helped him plan the shooting and staged a cover-up. They believe he killed Paddock, shot holes through the door and his own arm to produce physical evidence for his cover story, then went and lay next to the elevator,
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
(10-05-2017 01:19 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  People are telling me that the ATF now believes the herosecurity guard helped him plan the shooting and staged a cover-up. They believe he killed Paddock, shot holes through the door and his own arm to produce physical evidence for his cover story, then went and lay next to the elevator,

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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
(10-05-2017 01:19 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  People are telling me that the ATF now believes the herosecurity guard helped him plan the shooting and staged a cover-up. They believe he killed Paddock, shot holes through the door and his own arm to produce physical evidence for his cover story, then went and lay next to the elevator,

The common areas and hallways have to have cameras yes? How would they cover it up when Paddock checked in using GFs ID and his face is all over security cameras?
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
(10-05-2017 01:19 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  People are telling me that the ATF now believes the herosecurity guard helped him plan the shooting and staged a cover-up. They believe he killed Paddock, shot holes through the door and his own arm to produce physical evidence for his cover story, then went and lay next to the elevator,

Should be easy enough to determine forensically.
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
(10-05-2017 01:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 01:19 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  People are telling me that the ATF now believes the herosecurity guard helped him plan the shooting and staged a cover-up. They believe he killed Paddock, shot holes through the door and his own arm to produce physical evidence for his cover story, then went and lay next to the elevator,

Should be easy enough to determine forensically.

And on video. That guard was "unarmed" by news reports. Out of 200 on duty guards about 15 or so are armed at any given time in the hotel/casino.
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
(10-05-2017 01:43 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 01:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 01:19 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  People are telling me that the ATF now believes the herosecurity guard helped him plan the shooting and staged a cover-up. They believe he killed Paddock, shot holes through the door and his own arm to produce physical evidence for his cover story, then went and lay next to the elevator,

Should be easy enough to determine forensically.

And on video. That guard was "unarmed" by news reports. Out of 200 on duty guards about 15 or so are armed at any given time in the hotel/casino.

Meh... the first thing I would do if I were him is spray-paint the camera lenses in the hallways. Surely he/they did that.
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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
(10-05-2017 01:19 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  People are telling me that the ATF now believes the herosecurity guard helped him plan the shooting and staged a cover-up. They believe he killed Paddock, shot holes through the door and his own arm to produce physical evidence for his cover story, then went and lay next to the elevator,

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RE: Vegas Hotel room pic - what is going on with his hand?
(10-05-2017 12:09 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I assume he's right-handed. If so, chances are the weapon he used to off himself is to his right out of frame.

There's a picture that leaked of his head with a revolver a few feet from it that the authorities have confirmed as real. I won't post it here for obvious reasons, but it's not hard to find.
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