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RE: 2019 Football Schedule
(10-08-2017 11:22 AM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  I thought I read on A Sea of Red that Liberty bought out the JMU game. Could be wrong though. I don't think it's wise for LU to play JMU in the near future while we're 1-A and they're 1-AA. JMU is better than many G5 schools and probably/maybe obviously us than us now, and we can't risk to losing to a 1-AA school in our first few years. Beating them probably can helps us with bowl eligibility due to their pedigree and number of scholarships, but losing to them would be catastrophic. We should wait to play them until we're at the stage where we should beat them. My guess is that ADIM thinks this as well.
Tis true beating JMU "may help" LU from the position of perception, but not officially as they are a FCS school.
10-08-2017 03:10 PM
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RE: 2019 Football Schedule
(10-08-2017 01:00 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 11:22 AM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  I thought I read on A Sea of Red that Liberty bought out the JMU game. Could be wrong though. I don't think it's wise for LU to play JMU in the near future while we're 1-A and they're 1-AA. JMU is better than many G5 schools and probably/maybe obviously us than us now, and we can't risk to losing to a 1-AA school in our first few years. Beating them probably can helps us with bowl eligibility due to their pedigree and number of scholarships, but losing to them would be catastrophic. We should wait to play them until we're at the stage where we should beat them. My guess is that ADIM thinks this as well.

There is no difference between beating them and beating Savannah State for bowl eligibility. LU can schedule one FCS team per year and it counts towards the 6 needed. Scheduling two would require 7 to become bowl eligible. The FCS game should be a tune up game. Give me someone like Delaware State instead.
I thought that 1-AA teams had to have X-number of scholarships in order to count towards bowl eligibility. Anyway, my point is still valid the risk weighs much more than the reward of playing JMU Ii the near future. Hopefully they'll join us in 1-A sooner than later or we'll host them again soon when we should steamroll them.
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RE: 2019 Football Schedule
(10-09-2017 09:54 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 01:00 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 11:22 AM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  I thought I read on A Sea of Red that Liberty bought out the JMU game. Could be wrong though. I don't think it's wise for LU to play JMU in the near future while we're 1-A and they're 1-AA. JMU is better than many G5 schools and probably/maybe obviously us than us now, and we can't risk to losing to a 1-AA school in our first few years. Beating them probably can helps us with bowl eligibility due to their pedigree and number of scholarships, but losing to them would be catastrophic. We should wait to play them until we're at the stage where we should beat them. My guess is that ADIM thinks this as well.

There is no difference between beating them and beating Savannah State for bowl eligibility. LU can schedule one FCS team per year and it counts towards the 6 needed. Scheduling two would require 7 to become bowl eligible. The FCS game should be a tune up game. Give me someone like Delaware State instead.
I thought that 1-AA teams had to have X-number of scholarships in order to count towards bowl eligibility. Anyway, my point is still valid the risk weighs much more than the reward of playing JMU Ii the near future. Hopefully they'll join us in 1-A sooner than later or we'll host them again soon when we should steamroll them.

I'm pretty sure this is true. Don't think it has to be the full 63, but there is a number that must be met thus the reason you don't see Pioneer and others playing FBS games.
10-15-2017 09:13 AM
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(10-15-2017 09:13 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(10-09-2017 09:54 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 01:00 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 11:22 AM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  I thought I read on A Sea of Red that Liberty bought out the JMU game. Could be wrong though. I don't think it's wise for LU to play JMU in the near future while we're 1-A and they're 1-AA. JMU is better than many G5 schools and probably/maybe obviously us than us now, and we can't risk to losing to a 1-AA school in our first few years. Beating them probably can helps us with bowl eligibility due to their pedigree and number of scholarships, but losing to them would be catastrophic. We should wait to play them until we're at the stage where we should beat them. My guess is that ADIM thinks this as well.

There is no difference between beating them and beating Savannah State for bowl eligibility. LU can schedule one FCS team per year and it counts towards the 6 needed. Scheduling two would require 7 to become bowl eligible. The FCS game should be a tune up game. Give me someone like Delaware State instead.
I thought that 1-AA teams had to have X-number of scholarships in order to count towards bowl eligibility. Anyway, my point is still valid the risk weighs much more than the reward of playing JMU Ii the near future. Hopefully they'll join us in 1-A sooner than later or we'll host them again soon when we should steamroll them.

I'm pretty sure this is true. Don't think it has to be the full 63, but there is a number that must be met thus the reason you don't see Pioneer and others playing FBS games.

This is probably true. I haven't seen many FCS teams that are not scholarship schools. I know the northeast that's more popular. My point is LU needs to schedule a cupcake for the FCS game. No reason to pay for a potential loss, unless it's bama.
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RE: 2019 Football Schedule
(10-15-2017 10:09 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(10-15-2017 09:13 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(10-09-2017 09:54 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 01:00 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 11:22 AM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  I thought I read on A Sea of Red that Liberty bought out the JMU game. Could be wrong though. I don't think it's wise for LU to play JMU in the near future while we're 1-A and they're 1-AA. JMU is better than many G5 schools and probably/maybe obviously us than us now, and we can't risk to losing to a 1-AA school in our first few years. Beating them probably can helps us with bowl eligibility due to their pedigree and number of scholarships, but losing to them would be catastrophic. We should wait to play them until we're at the stage where we should beat them. My guess is that ADIM thinks this as well.

There is no difference between beating them and beating Savannah State for bowl eligibility. LU can schedule one FCS team per year and it counts towards the 6 needed. Scheduling two would require 7 to become bowl eligible. The FCS game should be a tune up game. Give me someone like Delaware State instead.
I thought that 1-AA teams had to have X-number of scholarships in order to count towards bowl eligibility. Anyway, my point is still valid the risk weighs much more than the reward of playing JMU Ii the near future. Hopefully they'll join us in 1-A sooner than later or we'll host them again soon when we should steamroll them.

I'm pretty sure this is true. Don't think it has to be the full 63, but there is a number that must be met thus the reason you don't see Pioneer and others playing FBS games.

This is probably true. I haven't seen many FCS teams that are not scholarship schools. I know the northeast that's more popular. My point is LU needs to schedule a cupcake for the FCS game. No reason to pay for a potential loss, unless it's bama.

Especially in the first few years. Liberty goal should be to get to 6-6 to be bowl eligible. Do that consistently, you will start getting like BYU and having some bowls sign spots for your. I really think the Independents should try to group together with some bowl with team with best winning record gets Independent Slot of tie-in.
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RE: 2019 Football Schedule
(10-15-2017 10:09 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(10-15-2017 09:13 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(10-09-2017 09:54 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 01:00 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 11:22 AM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  I thought I read on A Sea of Red that Liberty bought out the JMU game. Could be wrong though. I don't think it's wise for LU to play JMU in the near future while we're 1-A and they're 1-AA. JMU is better than many G5 schools and probably/maybe obviously us than us now, and we can't risk to losing to a 1-AA school in our first few years. Beating them probably can helps us with bowl eligibility due to their pedigree and number of scholarships, but losing to them would be catastrophic. We should wait to play them until we're at the stage where we should beat them. My guess is that ADIM thinks this as well.

There is no difference between beating them and beating Savannah State for bowl eligibility. LU can schedule one FCS team per year and it counts towards the 6 needed. Scheduling two would require 7 to become bowl eligible. The FCS game should be a tune up game. Give me someone like Delaware State instead.
I thought that 1-AA teams had to have X-number of scholarships in order to count towards bowl eligibility. Anyway, my point is still valid the risk weighs much more than the reward of playing JMU Ii the near future. Hopefully they'll join us in 1-A sooner than later or we'll host them again soon when we should steamroll them.

I'm pretty sure this is true. Don't think it has to be the full 63, but there is a number that must be met thus the reason you don't see Pioneer and others playing FBS games.

This is probably true. I haven't seen many FCS teams that are not scholarship schools. I know the northeast that's more popular. My point is LU needs to schedule a cupcake for the FCS game. No reason to pay for a potential loss, unless it's bama.

Looked it up, for a FBS team to get a game to qualify against a FCS opponent, the FCS team must give out 90% of their allotted 63 schollies over a rolling two year period. In other words, the FCS team needs to average almost 57 scholarships for the FBS team to be able to count their game against the FCS team for bowl eligibility.

Ivy 8 teams not allowed to give athletic schollies
Pioneer 11 teams not allowed to give athletic schollies
NEC 7 teams not allowed more than 40 schollies

That's 19 teams you can cross off your list that LU can play for bowl consideration.

Then there's the MEAC and SWAC which allow 63 schollies but many of their teams stay well below being able to be a qualifier for FBS teams. Quick research leads me to believe that NC Central, Hampton, Bethune-Cookman, Howard, Morgan State, Florida A&M, Delaware State, Savannah State, Grambling State, Southern, Alabama A&M, Alabama State, and Jackson State would work for Liberty but many are too far away for consideration.

Most likely, you'd stick with the regional teams to cut down on their travel costs in coming to Lynchburg. To make it a cupcake winnable game you'd want to stay away from the FCS top 25. This leaves only a handful of bus riding FCS teams to make deals with and most are probably in the conference you just left. Though there are a few others who would be a good get for LU but the one standing above the others is VMI. They'd bring a few fans, which is good. They are close, so there's negligent travel costs. They have respectful fans who would be welcomed at Liberty. Finally, they are as close to being winnable as you can get for a FBS team.
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(10-17-2017 02:30 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(10-15-2017 10:09 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(10-15-2017 09:13 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(10-09-2017 09:54 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 01:00 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  There is no difference between beating them and beating Savannah State for bowl eligibility. LU can schedule one FCS team per year and it counts towards the 6 needed. Scheduling two would require 7 to become bowl eligible. The FCS game should be a tune up game. Give me someone like Delaware State instead.
I thought that 1-AA teams had to have X-number of scholarships in order to count towards bowl eligibility. Anyway, my point is still valid the risk weighs much more than the reward of playing JMU Ii the near future. Hopefully they'll join us in 1-A sooner than later or we'll host them again soon when we should steamroll them.

I'm pretty sure this is true. Don't think it has to be the full 63, but there is a number that must be met thus the reason you don't see Pioneer and others playing FBS games.

This is probably true. I haven't seen many FCS teams that are not scholarship schools. I know the northeast that's more popular. My point is LU needs to schedule a cupcake for the FCS game. No reason to pay for a potential loss, unless it's bama.

Especially in the first few years. Liberty goal should be to get to 6-6 to be bowl eligible. Do that consistently, you will start getting like BYU and having some bowls sign spots for your. I really think the Independents should try to group together with some bowl with team with best winning record gets Independent Slot of tie-in.

LOL!!! That would go to Notre Dame or BYU 99% if not 100% of the time.
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No school is too far away for us. But I have supreme confidence that we can fill our FCS slots moving forward. That is the least of our concerns right now in the program.
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Thought it pretty odd, but apparently we are paying the guarantee fee for your Maine game in 2019.

Quote:The second game (with Maine) was set to be played on August 31st, 2019, however it was bumped in favor of a guarantee game for UMass where they will travel to New Jersey to face the Rutgers Scarlet Knights instead. The game was in limbo until the announcement today locked in a new date and season.

Maine will now be facing the Liberty Flames in 2019 in place of UMass as an FBS opponent.

"The game against Maine in 2019 was contracted to Liberty, based on the language in a separate contract between Maine and the Liberty Flames," per the report. "In that contract, it states that UMass will pay the guarantee to Maine for the Maine-Liberty game, although the amount was not indicated."

UMass signed a separate four-game contract with Liberty where they will face the Flames in consecutive seasons from 2018 through 2021. This is speculation, but it seems that as part of that contract UMass may have agreed to pay the guarantee to Maine instead of Liberty in order to help secure the four-game set with the Flames.

https://247sports.com/college/massachuse...-110497063
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(11-15-2017 10:37 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Thought it pretty odd, but apparently we are paying the guarantee fee for your Maine game in 2019.

Quote:The second game (with Maine) was set to be played on August 31st, 2019, however it was bumped in favor of a guarantee game for UMass where they will travel to New Jersey to face the Rutgers Scarlet Knights instead. The game was in limbo until the announcement today locked in a new date and season.

Maine will now be facing the Liberty Flames in 2019 in place of UMass as an FBS opponent.

"The game against Maine in 2019 was contracted to Liberty, based on the language in a separate contract between Maine and the Liberty Flames," per the report. "In that contract, it states that UMass will pay the guarantee to Maine for the Maine-Liberty game, although the amount was not indicated."

UMass signed a separate four-game contract with Liberty where they will face the Flames in consecutive seasons from 2018 through 2021. This is speculation, but it seems that as part of that contract UMass may have agreed to pay the guarantee to Maine instead of Liberty in order to help secure the four-game set with the Flames.

https://247sports.com/college/massachuse...-110497063


I mean it makes sense to me. Good deal for LU and at least UMASS gets Rutgers.
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(11-15-2017 10:37 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Thought it pretty odd, but apparently we are paying the guarantee fee for your Maine game in 2019.

Thanks Steve. I'm really starting to like that UMASS bunch.
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