(10-03-2017 02:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 12:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The reason you give them up is because they are another mouth to feed.

But we have schools in duplicated markets that we have to feed even more.

Duh... what was I thinking? AUBURN to the ACC!

(10-03-2017 04:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 02:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 12:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The reason you give them up is because they are another mouth to feed.

But we have schools in duplicated markets that we have to feed even more.

Duh... what was I thinking? AUBURN to the ACC!

I know you are trying to be funny but really? Auburn, according to the WSJ is the 10th most valuable school in the nation and the 5th most valuable in the SEC. I didn't see Va Tech anywhere near that. In total attendance we are 11th and in Gross Revenue again 11th. All time winning percentage we are 15th. No that's not to shabby for a Ag School now is it? Vanderbilt is the SEC's top ranked academic institution. It is dead last in all athletic categories. So.......what was your point?

(10-03-2017 12:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  All right, I've got to ask you guys; where does this desire for SCAR to the ACC come from? I've seen GTS advocate for the Vols to the ACC as well, but at least I can understand that one. I'm just baffled by the Cocky move

With the exception of being hot headed and foolishly putting mustard in BBQ, South Carolinians are just like us.
Folks at the base of the Appalachians (Atlanta) can identify with both sides of the mountains, hence the "love" for Tennessee, but anything too far west of the Blue Ridge Escarpment is a foreign country (It's why North Carolina gave all of that land ((to the Mississippi River)) back to the Federal Government.
In a nutshell....it's cultural.

None of that answers my question. SCAR is a middling CFB program that recent got great MBB by having Frank Martin at the helm. Those are two things the ACC has in spades. Their addition would undermine the tenuous stability Swofford has worked so hard to achieve IMO. And no one would pay for that expansion.

As for barbarians, I don't think that will be much of an issue with Tar Heels and the WWL manning the ramparts. Both have a strong desire to ensure the ACC's continued existence; Carolina because they like the fiefdom and ESPN because without the ACC the Mouse will be left with old BE schools that they couldn't give away.

The ACC already has SCAR, you need to figure out how to breathe life into NCST

(10-03-2017 02:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 12:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 10:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:03 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 06:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  1. Texas, Tx Tech, OU and OSU all to the SEC --> 18
2. S Carolina and WVU to the ACC --> 16.5 (SEC drops to 17)
3. Kansas to the SEC --> back to 18
DONE FOREVER (unless Notre Dame joins ACC for football).

Restored rivalries, SEC:
Texas vs. A&M
Texas vs. Arkansas
OU vs. Missouri
Kansas vs. Missouri

Preserved rivalries, SEC:
Texas vs. OU
OU vs. OSU
Texas vs. Tx Tech

Restored rivalries, ACC:
S Car vs. UNC, NC State, etc. (everyone but Clemson)
WVU vs Pitt, Syracuse, BC, VT, etc.

Great for TV - therefore, they would pay for this, IMO

Holy Moly! Brilliant!
The wisest of the wise has long declared that South Carolina and West Virginia would be the best expansion candidates for the ACC....for years.

and that 5 team expansion for the SEC knocks the suggestion out of the park! What more could any in that group hope for?

Brilliant is taking South Carolina???

Why should we give up anyone???

We'll simply wait and take who we want to take.

Besides, South Carolina earns us more money than Kansas would. Hardly brilliant in that regard!

I don't think it's very likely, but the idea is to make room for another Big XII team.

The reason you give them up is because they are another mouth to feed.

But we have schools in duplicated markets that we have to feed even more. Vanderbilt?

The SEC has never asked anyone to leave, and never will. We do not believe in addition by subtraction. We will either add or replace. We won't subtract. In the history of the SEC three schools left of their own choice: Sewanee, Georgia Tech, and Tulane. Are any of them better off?

Message board hoopla aside, if the SEC expands again it will be with schools that add to our bottom line, our football history, and hopefully with academic standings that improve our own. That's it.

I would add one other option: the basketball blueblood that doesn't "rock the boat" of our traditional football powers. It just so happens that the blueboods we would be interested in are also the ones with academic standing (I doubt we are interested in Louisville in the near future). I know that basketball doesn't move the meter nearly as much as football, but I think one solid basketball move would exponentiallyMoving from UK-Auburn, UK-Miss St. to UK-UNC, UNC-Florida, etc. makes a huge difference. (No offense meant to either Auburn or Miss St.)

I know Kansas doesn't really bring enough to the table right now, and UNC/Duke are not available, so that idea is probably out the window, but at least in theory I think it is an option.

Also, I'm curious about the Texa-homa theory. In that scenario the west division would be: Texas-Tech, OK-State, and Missouri-Arkansas? or Missouri-LSU? One "western" team gets left out. Does the SEC keep Missouri in the Central since they have been there already, or do they keep LSU there so they can play A&M and Alabama each year?

Also, in a situation where Texas was coming to the SEC (I'm still not sure how I should feel about that, not because of the money, but because of Texas A&M), would OK have to have State? Could it be Texas/Tech/OK and one of West Virginia/Kansas?

(10-03-2017 06:18 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 02:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 12:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 10:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:03 AM)XLance Wrote:  Holy Moly! Brilliant!
The wisest of the wise has long declared that South Carolina and West Virginia would be the best expansion candidates for the ACC....for years.

and that 5 team expansion for the SEC knocks the suggestion out of the park! What more could any in that group hope for?

Brilliant is taking South Carolina???

Why should we give up anyone???

We'll simply wait and take who we want to take.

Besides, South Carolina earns us more money than Kansas would. Hardly brilliant in that regard!

I don't think it's very likely, but the idea is to make room for another Big XII team.

The reason you give them up is because they are another mouth to feed.

But we have schools in duplicated markets that we have to feed even more. Vanderbilt?

The SEC has never asked anyone to leave, and never will. We do not believe in addition by subtraction. We will either add or replace. We won't subtract. In the history of the SEC three schools left of their own choice: Sewanee, Georgia Tech, and Tulane. Are any of them better off?

Message board hoopla aside, if the SEC expands again it will be with schools that add to our bottom line, our football history, and hopefully with academic standings that improve our own. That's it.

I would add one other option: the basketball blueblood that doesn't "rock the boat" of our traditional football powers. It just so happens that the blueboods we would be interested in are also the ones with academic standing (I doubt we are interested in Louisville in the near future). I know that basketball doesn't move the meter nearly as much as football, but I think one solid basketball move would exponentiallyMoving from UK-Auburn, UK-Miss St. to UK-UNC, UNC-Florida, etc. makes a huge difference. (No offense meant to either Auburn or Miss St.)

I know Kansas doesn't really bring enough to the table right now, and UNC/Duke are not available, so that idea is probably out the window, but at least in theory I think it is an option.

Also, I'm curious about the Texa-homa theory. In that scenario the west division would be: Texas-Tech, OK-State, and Missouri-Arkansas? or Missouri-LSU? One "western" team gets left out. Does the SEC keep Missouri in the Central since they have been there already, or do they keep LSU there so they can play A&M and Alabama each year?

Also, in a situation where Texas was coming to the SEC (I'm still not sure how I should feel about that, not because of the money, but because of Texas A&M), would OK have to have State? Could it be Texas/Tech/OK and one of West Virginia/Kansas?

1. There is no blackball system in the SEC if a school gets the requisite number of president voting yes 3/4's then it's a go. Presidents consistently vote for money and academics. If Texas wants in they'll get the votes because they bring both.

2. I think it is more likely that Tech gets dropped and Kansas included than it is that Oklahoma State gets dropped for another.

So, I rate the combinations to 18 like this:
a. Texas, TTU, OU, OSU
b. Texas, OU, OSU, Kansas
c. Texas, OU, OSU, WVU
d. Texas, OU, KU, WVU
Not that I think the bottom two are likely at all.

Minimal movement.....repeat minimal movement.

1) I would take this very seriously http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...y,amp.html
Teel is as close to an unofficial official mouthpiece the ACC has....it's not that same as trotting Coach K out...but it's close.

2) the only value in the Big 12 is the combo of Texas and Oklahoma...placement of everyone else is unlikely.

3) The PAC has nothing to offer...great conference but presents "issues" to any team located in the plains.

This may never come to pass, but I'll bet its been discussed.

Louisville is "out" of the ACC
Texas moves to the SEC
Oklahoma moves to the B1G
The Big 12 reloads with Cincinnati, Houston, Louisville and UCF, USF, Memphis, Tulane to also get to 15, or just pick one of the last 4 if they stop at 12.
The ACC gets UConn if Notre Dame refuses to go all in and chooses to remain semi-independent

(10-03-2017 11:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  All right, I've got to ask you guys; where does this desire for SCAR to the ACC come from? I've seen GTS advocate for the Vols to the ACC as well, but at least I can understand that one. I'm just baffled by the Cocky move

Having three SEC states on their border makes the Baby Blue Mafia nervous. Now that two of those states have a strong hoops program it makes them even more nervous. In the ACC North Carolina can put restrictions on South Carolina and they know they'll never get Kentucky so it's a protectionist move. The funny part is that's why South Carolina left in the first place.

Smart El Cid has surrounded their city and the disparity between those within and those without is enormous. If we lay siege to them then all we have to do to win is to dangle the bread over the wall and they'll come out eventually and join us to eat.

They'll eventually have to choose between the Barbarians to the North or Us.

Kentucky will never be admitted to the ACC, ever. Their fans are worse than State's.

https://deadspin.com/referee-john-higgin...1819121784

Men’s college basketball referee John Higgins is suing Kentucky Sports Radio, accusing the show’s hosts of sharing his personal information and encouraging angry Kentucky fans to come after him for his officiating in the Wildcats’s Elite Eight loss to North Carolina.

I don't see OU and UT joining any other conference. But I don't see them staying in the current Big 12 either.

(10-03-2017 08:29 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 11:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  All right, I've got to ask you guys; where does this desire for SCAR to the ACC come from? I've seen GTS advocate for the Vols to the ACC as well, but at least I can understand that one. I'm just baffled by the Cocky move

Having three SEC states on their border makes the Baby Blue Mafia nervous. Now that two of those states have a strong hoops program it makes them even more nervous. In the ACC North Carolina can put restrictions on South Carolina and they know they'll never get Kentucky so it's a protectionist move. The funny part is that's why South Carolina left in the first place.

Smart El Cid has surrounded their city and the disparity between those within and those without is enormous. If we lay siege to them then all we have to do to win is to dangle the bread over the wall and they'll come out eventually and join us to eat.

They'll eventually have to choose between the Barbarians to the North or Us.

Kentucky will never be admitted to the ACC, ever. Their fans are worse than State's.

https://deadspin.com/referee-john-higgin...1819121784

Men’s college basketball referee John Higgins is suing Kentucky Sports Radio, accusing the show’s hosts of sharing his personal information and encouraging angry Kentucky fans to come after him for his officiating in the Wildcats’s Elite Eight loss to North Carolina.

Well Higgins was horrible. I fully understand. What was that old cheer, "We got a rope, we got a tree, all we need is a referee!"

(10-03-2017 08:15 PM)XLance Wrote:  Minimal movement.....repeat minimal movement.

1) I would take this very seriously http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...y,amp.html
Teel is as close to an unofficial official mouthpiece the ACC has....it's not that same as trotting Coach K out...but it's close.

2) the only value in the Big 12 is the combo of Texas and Oklahoma...placement of everyone else is unlikely.

3) The PAC has nothing to offer...great conference but presents "issues" to any team located in the plains.

This may never come to pass, but I'll bet its been discussed.

Louisville is "out" of the ACC
Texas moves to the SEC
Oklahoma moves to the B1G
The Big 12 reloads with Cincinnati, Houston, Louisville and UCF, USF, Memphis, Tulane to also get to 15, or just pick one of the last 4 if they stop at 12.
The ACC gets UConn if Notre Dame refuses to go all in and chooses to remain semi-independent

I'm thinking your hands may be obliquely tied in an unanticipated way. I'm betting a new GOR would have to be signed upon their departure because it will devalue the conference. And if that didn't do it adding a new member would.

Because of that I'd guess you will hit them with a stiff probation.

There is value in the Big 12 beyond UT & OU but not much. It depends on who is doing the picking. But I have looked at the valuations and Texa-homa does add value to the SEC, just not as much as Texas and Oklahoma together. So it could be a fallback plan for ESPN to retain those brands. It would give them a monopoly in both states and would be a small price to pay for that control.

I personally don't see an upside to just 15 from a scheduling perspective. It would require more bye weeks and a longer season to make it work. In theory it would be ideal. In practice it would be a bigger pain in the rear than 14.

But considering the worst case scenario for Louisville that might have unforeseen blessings as well. If the ACC did expel them it would likely set a precedent that may one day permit the Big 10 to expel Penn State or the Big 12 to expel Baylor.

An actual display of the ability of such moves might impact realignment in more ways than just the one you suggested.

(10-03-2017 08:29 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 11:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  All right, I've got to ask you guys; where does this desire for SCAR to the ACC come from? I've seen GTS advocate for the Vols to the ACC as well, but at least I can understand that one. I'm just baffled by the Cocky move

Having three SEC states on their border makes the Baby Blue Mafia nervous. Now that two of those states have a strong hoops program it makes them even more nervous. In the ACC North Carolina can put restrictions on South Carolina and they know they'll never get Kentucky so it's a protectionist move. The funny part is that's why South Carolina left in the first place.

Smart El Cid has surrounded their city and the disparity between those within and those without is enormous. If we lay siege to them then all we have to do to win is to dangle the bread over the wall and they'll come out eventually and join us to eat.

They'll eventually have to choose between the Barbarians to the North or Us.

Kentucky will never be admitted to the ACC, ever. Their fans are worse than State's.

https://deadspin.com/referee-john-higgin...1819121784

Men’s college basketball referee John Higgins is suing Kentucky Sports Radio, accusing the show’s hosts of sharing his personal information and encouraging angry Kentucky fans to come after him for his officiating in the Wildcats’s Elite Eight loss to North Carolina.

Higgins claims he wants no attention, then goes out of his way to get in the spotlight and brings up a frivolous lawsuit like this. Nobody from that radio show brought up his personal information; on the contrary, they told fans NOT to get in touch with Higgins. I think what the connection to that radio show is they posted a video (made by someone else) showing all the atrocious obvious calls/non-calls he made in that game, and other UK tournament games with Higgins making similar ludicrous calls, and that video had his info listed at the end or something. On the bright side, I can't imagine we'll have to see his feathery hair officiating another of our games after his bringing up this suit. Thank God. I know you think we are a bunch of stupid bumpkins who think the refs are all out to get us, but we don't think that of any of 'em besides this schmuck, and there's ample evidence to prove we aren't so crazy. He has a known vendetta, and his boss/mentor is Curtis Shaw, longtime hack referee who loathed UK.

UK, and all of our terrible fans, are good not getting invited to the ACC, btw. Thanks.

(10-04-2017 01:21 AM)Blue Dynasty Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 08:29 PM)XLance Wrote:  Kentucky will never be admitted to the ACC, ever. Their fans are worse than State's.

https://deadspin.com/referee-john-higgin...1819121784

Men’s college basketball referee John Higgins is suing Kentucky Sports Radio, accusing the show’s hosts of sharing his personal information and encouraging angry Kentucky fans to come after him for his officiating in the Wildcats’s Elite Eight loss to North Carolina.

Higgins claims he wants no attention, then goes out of his way to get in the spotlight and brings up a frivolous lawsuit like this. Nobody from that radio show brought up his personal information; on the contrary, they told fans NOT to get in touch with Higgins. I think what the connection to that radio show is they posted a video (made by someone else) showing all the atrocious obvious calls/non-calls he made in that game, and other UK tournament games with Higgins making similar ludicrous calls, and that video had his info listed at the end or something. On the bright side, I can't imagine we'll have to see his feathery hair officiating another of our games after his bringing up this suit. Thank God. I know you think we are a bunch of stupid bumpkins who think the refs are all out to get us, but we don't think that of any of 'em besides this schmuck, and there's ample evidence to prove we aren't so crazy. He has a known vendetta, and his boss/mentor is Curtis Shaw, longtime hack referee who loathed UK.

UK, and all of our terrible fans, are good not getting invited to the ACC, btw. Thanks.

On another thread, just in the last few days, Lance said Kentucky in the ACC was a fantastic idea.

Don't worry Blue, he just likes to needle people. It's his thing.

(10-04-2017 01:21 AM)Blue Dynasty Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 08:29 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 11:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  All right, I've got to ask you guys; where does this desire for SCAR to the ACC come from? I've seen GTS advocate for the Vols to the ACC as well, but at least I can understand that one. I'm just baffled by the Cocky move

Having three SEC states on their border makes the Baby Blue Mafia nervous. Now that two of those states have a strong hoops program it makes them even more nervous. In the ACC North Carolina can put restrictions on South Carolina and they know they'll never get Kentucky so it's a protectionist move. The funny part is that's why South Carolina left in the first place.

Smart El Cid has surrounded their city and the disparity between those within and those without is enormous. If we lay siege to them then all we have to do to win is to dangle the bread over the wall and they'll come out eventually and join us to eat.

They'll eventually have to choose between the Barbarians to the North or Us.

Kentucky will never be admitted to the ACC, ever. Their fans are worse than State's.

https://deadspin.com/referee-john-higgin...1819121784

Men’s college basketball referee John Higgins is suing Kentucky Sports Radio, accusing the show’s hosts of sharing his personal information and encouraging angry Kentucky fans to come after him for his officiating in the Wildcats’s Elite Eight loss to North Carolina.

Higgins claims he wants no attention, then goes out of his way to get in the spotlight and brings up a frivolous lawsuit like this. Nobody from that radio show brought up his personal information; on the contrary, they told fans NOT to get in touch with Higgins. I think what the connection to that radio show is they posted a video (made by someone else) showing all the atrocious obvious calls/non-calls he made in that game, and other UK tournament games with Higgins making similar ludicrous calls, and that video had his info listed at the end or something. On the bright side, I can't imagine we'll have to see his feathery hair officiating another of our games after his bringing up this suit. Thank God. I know you think we are a bunch of stupid bumpkins who think the refs are all out to get us, but we don't think that of any of 'em besides this schmuck, and there's ample evidence to prove we aren't so crazy. He has a known vendetta, and his boss/mentor is Curtis Shaw, longtime hack referee who loathed UK.

UK, and all of our terrible fans, are good not getting invited to the ACC, btw. Thanks.

I'm not going to touch the topic of Higgins or the lawsuit but it's obvious that Kentucky fans are passionate but that's a positive & not a deterrent for them or any conference. Lexington is nothing like Morgantown. I've been to Commonwealth Stadium (game against a Mississippi school) dressed in Louisville gear & never once felt threatened. I've had jokes from concession workers & a few dirty looks but zero negative altercations with Kentucky fans in Lexington or in PJCS for the rivalry game for that matter. Certainly there a few crackpots but every fan base has them. Kentucky fans are an asset to UK & the SEC.


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(10-03-2017 09:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  All right, I've got to ask you guys; where does this desire for SCAR to the ACC come from? I've seen GTS advocate for the Vols to the ACC as well, but at least I can understand that one. I'm just baffled by the Cocky move

Tennessee makes the most sense fiscally and geographically. It's just that simple. It's a natural fit and easy drive for almost half the conference.

(10-03-2017 12:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  That's a quick and easy decision if it ever has to be made, JR.....we'll take the Barbarians over you guys in a heartbeat!

Well now I wouldn't say that. If my choice is between political anathema and road games in Minneapolis, East Lansing, and Bloomington .... or academic anathema and road games in Starkville, Oxford, and Columbia MO .... I'll take option 2.

(10-04-2017 04:04 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  All right, I've got to ask you guys; where does this desire for SCAR to the ACC come from? I've seen GTS advocate for the Vols to the ACC as well, but at least I can understand that one. I'm just baffled by the Cocky move

Tennessee makes the most sense fiscally and geographically. It's just that simple. It's a natural fit and easy drive for almost half the conference.

(10-03-2017 12:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  That's a quick and easy decision if it ever has to be made, JR.....we'll take the Barbarians over you guys in a heartbeat!

Well now I wouldn't say that. If my choice is between political anathema and road games in Minneapolis, East Lansing, and Bloomington .... or academic anathema and road games in Starkville, Oxford, and Columbia MO .... I'll take option 2.

As to the first quote, the reverse is also why the SEC would be interested in a North Carolina school.

As to the second quote, I strongly suspect that you and Georgia Tech would not be alone in that sentiment. I seriously doubt that Florida State or Clemson would choose the barbarians and according to the way Cunningham was feeling after he polled UNC boosters and key alums after the fiasco in 2011 their overwhelming preference was academic anathema and cultural fit with Southern brethren. In fact his only question of Slive was "Can Duke count on a spot as well?" Slive was reported to have said, "Yes".

(10-03-2017 07:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 06:18 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  I would add one other option: the basketball blueblood that doesn't "rock the boat" of our traditional football powers. It just so happens that the blueboods we would be interested in are also the ones with academic standing (I doubt we are interested in Louisville in the near future). I know that basketball doesn't move the meter nearly as much as football, but I think one solid basketball move would exponentiallyMoving from UK-Auburn, UK-Miss St. to UK-UNC, UNC-Florida, etc. makes a huge difference. (No offense meant to either Auburn or Miss St.)

I know Kansas doesn't really bring enough to the table right now, and UNC/Duke are not available, so that idea is probably out the window, but at least in theory I think it is an option.

Also, I'm curious about the Texa-homa theory. In that scenario the west division would be: Texas-Tech, OK-State, and Missouri-Arkansas? or Missouri-LSU? One "western" team gets left out. Does the SEC keep Missouri in the Central since they have been there already, or do they keep LSU there so they can play A&M and Alabama each year?

Also, in a situation where Texas was coming to the SEC (I'm still not sure how I should feel about that, not because of the money, but because of Texas A&M), would OK have to have State? Could it be Texas/Tech/OK and one of West Virginia/Kansas?

1. There is no blackball system in the SEC if a school gets the requisite number of president voting yes 3/4's then it's a go. Presidents consistently vote for money and academics. If Texas wants in they'll get the votes because they bring both.

2. I think it is more likely that Tech gets dropped and Kansas included than it is that Oklahoma State gets dropped for another.

So, I rate the combinations to 18 like this:
a. Texas, TTU, OU, OSU
b. Texas, OU, OSU, Kansas
c. Texas, OU, OSU, WVU
d. Texas, OU, KU, WVU
Not that I think the bottom two are likely at all.

I do like the idea of adding a basketball blueblood which is part of why I've never had an issue with Kansas. But yeah, football additions will pay the bills and I imagine once the politicians have gotten involved that your first option would be the one that happens.

With that said, I think 20 helps things stay more regional along with ensuring a more objective path to the semis. With that in mind, let me propose something a little different...

West: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas
Central: Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
South: Mississippi State, Alabama, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, West Virginia

I'm not so sure that WVU shouldn't be a target for us.

1. Weaken the ACC by taking their options. The ACC needs to grow to survive in the long term. Take their best options off the table and they may start bleeding out a little early.
2. Gives us a presence in the Mid-Atlantic/Northeast should another one not materialize in the long term
3. Adds to both our football and basketball strength.

Play 4 division games...1 rotating rival from each of the other divisions...1 permanent rival from each of the other divisions...you'd play everyone at least once every 4 years.

That's 10 games and it gives room for an ACC scheduling deal that allows schools to play in-state rivals and other key match-ups.

(10-04-2017 04:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 04:04 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  All right, I've got to ask you guys; where does this desire for SCAR to the ACC come from? I've seen GTS advocate for the Vols to the ACC as well, but at least I can understand that one. I'm just baffled by the Cocky move

Tennessee makes the most sense fiscally and geographically. It's just that simple. It's a natural fit and easy drive for almost half the conference.

(10-03-2017 12:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  That's a quick and easy decision if it ever has to be made, JR.....we'll take the Barbarians over you guys in a heartbeat!

Well now I wouldn't say that. If my choice is between political anathema and road games in Minneapolis, East Lansing, and Bloomington .... or academic anathema and road games in Starkville, Oxford, and Columbia MO .... I'll take option 2.

As to the first quote, the reverse is also why the SEC would be interested in a North Carolina school.

As to the second quote, I strongly suspect that you and Georgia Tech would not be alone in that sentiment. I seriously doubt that Florida State or Clemson would choose the barbarians and according to the way Cunningham was feeling after he polled UNC boosters and key alums after the fiasco in 2011 their overwhelming preference was academic anathema and cultural fit with Southern brethren. In fact his only question of Slive was "Can Duke count on a spot as well?" Slive was reported to have said, "Yes".

That poll was you are referring to was on Carolina's Scout message board.
The faculty and BMDs wanted no part of the SEC.

(10-04-2017 06:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 04:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 04:04 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  All right, I've got to ask you guys; where does this desire for SCAR to the ACC come from? I've seen GTS advocate for the Vols to the ACC as well, but at least I can understand that one. I'm just baffled by the Cocky move

Tennessee makes the most sense fiscally and geographically. It's just that simple. It's a natural fit and easy drive for almost half the conference.

(10-03-2017 12:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  That's a quick and easy decision if it ever has to be made, JR.....we'll take the Barbarians over you guys in a heartbeat!

Well now I wouldn't say that. If my choice is between political anathema and road games in Minneapolis, East Lansing, and Bloomington .... or academic anathema and road games in Starkville, Oxford, and Columbia MO .... I'll take option 2.

As to the first quote, the reverse is also why the SEC would be interested in a North Carolina school.

As to the second quote, I strongly suspect that you and Georgia Tech would not be alone in that sentiment. I seriously doubt that Florida State or Clemson would choose the barbarians and according to the way Cunningham was feeling after he polled UNC boosters and key alums after the fiasco in 2011 their overwhelming preference was academic anathema and cultural fit with Southern brethren. In fact his only question of Slive was "Can Duke count on a spot as well?" Slive was reported to have said, "Yes".

That poll was you are referring to was on Carolina's Scout message board.
The faculty and BMDs wanted no part of the SEC.

A nice revision but not what I saw originally.

(10-04-2017 07:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 06:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 04:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 04:04 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  All right, I've got to ask you guys; where does this desire for SCAR to the ACC come from? I've seen GTS advocate for the Vols to the ACC as well, but at least I can understand that one. I'm just baffled by the Cocky move

Tennessee makes the most sense fiscally and geographically. It's just that simple. It's a natural fit and easy drive for almost half the conference.

(10-03-2017 12:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  That's a quick and easy decision if it ever has to be made, JR.....we'll take the Barbarians over you guys in a heartbeat!

Well now I wouldn't say that. If my choice is between political anathema and road games in Minneapolis, East Lansing, and Bloomington .... or academic anathema and road games in Starkville, Oxford, and Columbia MO .... I'll take option 2.

As to the first quote, the reverse is also why the SEC would be interested in a North Carolina school.

As to the second quote, I strongly suspect that you and Georgia Tech would not be alone in that sentiment. I seriously doubt that Florida State or Clemson would choose the barbarians and according to the way Cunningham was feeling after he polled UNC boosters and key alums after the fiasco in 2011 their overwhelming preference was academic anathema and cultural fit with Southern brethren. In fact his only question of Slive was "Can Duke count on a spot as well?" Slive was reported to have said, "Yes".

That poll was you are referring to was on Carolina's Scout message board.
The faculty and BMDs wanted no part of the SEC.

A nice revision but not what I saw originally.

It's what I told John Montgomery when he called.

(10-04-2017 04:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 04:04 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  All right, I've got to ask you guys; where does this desire for SCAR to the ACC come from? I've seen GTS advocate for the Vols to the ACC as well, but at least I can understand that one. I'm just baffled by the Cocky move

Tennessee makes the most sense fiscally and geographically. It's just that simple. It's a natural fit and easy drive for almost half the conference.

(10-03-2017 12:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  That's a quick and easy decision if it ever has to be made, JR.....we'll take the Barbarians over you guys in a heartbeat!

Well now I wouldn't say that. If my choice is between political anathema and road games in Minneapolis, East Lansing, and Bloomington .... or academic anathema and road games in Starkville, Oxford, and Columbia MO .... I'll take option 2.

As to the first quote, the reverse is also why the SEC would be interested in a North Carolina school.

As to the second quote, I strongly suspect that you and Georgia Tech would not be alone in that sentiment. I seriously doubt that Florida State or Clemson would choose the barbarians and according to the way Cunningham was feeling after he polled UNC boosters and key alums after the fiasco in 2011 their overwhelming preference was academic anathema and cultural fit with Southern brethren. In fact his only question of Slive was "Can Duke count on a spot as well?" Slive was reported to have said, "Yes".

UNC knows they have a landing spot with Duke. This makes me think NC State is more a a fall back option as opposed to a school worth expanding for. Virginia Tech is a great addition on their own in terms of new markets, recruiting grounds, football brand and number of fans added.