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(10-03-2017 01:07 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:28 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  JMU has a really tough schedule this year. Let's see how the fair against the likes of Rhode Island and the rest of their schedule before we crown them #2.

That doesn't make the rank from the OP any less accurate.
I think we can all agree that things will change.

I expect UVA to get better, maybe dramatically so, as the season progresses.
As steve Williams settles in, I expect ODU to to get better as well.

With fewer schollies and associated depth, JMU will likely not get much better, if at all, as the season progresses. Indeed the Dukes may have already peaked.
There is a good possibility that by the end of the season, JMU moves to number 4.

However right now, there is a strong argument for them to be number 2.

There is not a strong argument for No 2. UVA is better than them. Did you see what they did to Boise?

Did you see that JMU put over 600 yards vs ECU in the blowout win just like VT, and held them to 17 just like VT?

I am not convinced that we are any better than ECU right now, at least on the offensive side of the ball, but I think JMU may right now be as good or better than UVA

ECU looks to be the worst team in all of FBS.

(10-03-2017 01:18 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  The bad thing about ODU being a Vegas dog is that it essentially guarantees a loss. Has ODU ever won a game in which it was getting points?

We were getting 1 point vs. Southern Miss
We were getting 7.5 vs UTSA (2015)
We were getting 3.5 vs. FAU (2014)
We were getting 12.5 points against LT.
We were getting 6.5 against Rice

(10-03-2017 01:07 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:28 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  JMU has a really tough schedule this year. Let's see how the fair against the likes of Rhode Island and the rest of their schedule before we crown them #2.

That doesn't make the rank from the OP any less accurate.
I think we can all agree that things will change.

I expect UVA to get better, maybe dramatically so, as the season progresses.
As steve Williams settles in, I expect ODU to to get better as well.

With fewer schollies and associated depth, JMU will likely not get much better, if at all, as the season progresses. Indeed the Dukes may have already peaked.
There is a good possibility that by the end of the season, JMU moves to number 4.

However right now, there is a strong argument for them to be number 2.

There is not a strong argument for No 2. UVA is better than them. Did you see what they did to Boise?

Did you see that JMU put over 600 yards vs ECU in the blowout win just like VT, and held them to 17 just like VT?

I am not convinced that we are any better than ECU right now, at least on the offensive side of the ball, but I think JMU may right now be as good or better than UVA

VT had 34 first downs and 675 yards on 95 plays. In the second half, they basically just ran down their throat. ECU had 12 first downs and 281 yards on 61 plays.

JMU had 23 first downs and 614 yards on 66 plays; however, ECU had 28 first downs and 362 yards on 83 plays.

Having said that, those stats are almost meaningless, but ECU got 16 more first downs against JMU than VT and lost by 47 instead of 20; its not really close.

JMU is a very good FCS team, but they couldn't hang with probably the top 110 or so teams in FBS. ECU is as bad as Charlotte and Rice (probably worse) this year.

(10-03-2017 01:34 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:18 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  The bad thing about ODU being a Vegas dog is that it essentially guarantees a loss. Has ODU ever won a game in which it was getting points?

We were getting 1 point vs. Southern Miss
We were getting 7.5 vs UTSA (2015)
We were getting 3.5 vs. FAU (2014)
We were getting 12.5 points against LT.
We were getting 6.5 against Rice

Ah, then there you go. I think I confused it with ODU rarely if ever losing games in which it was a favorite (perhaps the Naked Game?). I should have remembered LT and Rice (wasn't aware of the other three).

(10-03-2017 02:24 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:34 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:18 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  The bad thing about ODU being a Vegas dog is that it essentially guarantees a loss. Has ODU ever won a game in which it was getting points?

We were getting 1 point vs. Southern Miss
We were getting 7.5 vs UTSA (2015)
We were getting 3.5 vs. FAU (2014)
We were getting 12.5 points against LT.
We were getting 6.5 against Rice

Ah, then there you go. I think I confused it with ODU rarely if ever losing games in which it was a favorite (perhaps the Naked Game?). I should have remembered LT and Rice (wasn't aware of the other three).

In general we do win games we are expected to and lose games we are expected to. I would have to go back and check, but we might not have lost a game we were favored in. I believe FAU and MTSU were favorites.

(10-03-2017 02:26 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 02:24 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:34 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:18 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  The bad thing about ODU being a Vegas dog is that it essentially guarantees a loss. Has ODU ever won a game in which it was getting points?

We were getting 1 point vs. Southern Miss
We were getting 7.5 vs UTSA (2015)
We were getting 3.5 vs. FAU (2014)
We were getting 12.5 points against LT.
We were getting 6.5 against Rice

Ah, then there you go. I think I confused it with ODU rarely if ever losing games in which it was a favorite (perhaps the Naked Game?). I should have remembered LT and Rice (wasn't aware of the other three).

In general we do win games we are expected to and lose games we are expected to. I would have to go back and check, but we might not have lost a game we were favored in. I believe FAU and MTSU were favorites.

I think in FBS we have not lost a game we were favored in.
I believe we were favored vs Towson in 2011 (4th and 29), and possibly vs Nova with the 38-14 loss in 2012

(10-03-2017 01:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:07 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:28 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  JMU has a really tough schedule this year. Let's see how the fair against the likes of Rhode Island and the rest of their schedule before we crown them #2.

That doesn't make the rank from the OP any less accurate.
I think we can all agree that things will change.

I expect UVA to get better, maybe dramatically so, as the season progresses.
As steve Williams settles in, I expect ODU to to get better as well.

With fewer schollies and associated depth, JMU will likely not get much better, if at all, as the season progresses. Indeed the Dukes may have already peaked.
There is a good possibility that by the end of the season, JMU moves to number 4.

However right now, there is a strong argument for them to be number 2.

There is not a strong argument for No 2. UVA is better than them. Did you see what they did to Boise?

Did you see that JMU put over 600 yards vs ECU in the blowout win just like VT, and held them to 17 just like VT?

I am not convinced that we are any better than ECU right now, at least on the offensive side of the ball, but I think JMU may right now be as good or better than UVA

ECU looks to be the worst team in all of FBS.

UTEP says "hold my beer". Edit - or maybe Charlotte? Probably both.

(10-03-2017 01:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:07 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:28 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  JMU has a really tough schedule this year. Let's see how the fair against the likes of Rhode Island and the rest of their schedule before we crown them #2.

That doesn't make the rank from the OP any less accurate.
I think we can all agree that things will change.

I expect UVA to get better, maybe dramatically so, as the season progresses.
As steve Williams settles in, I expect ODU to to get better as well.

With fewer schollies and associated depth, JMU will likely not get much better, if at all, as the season progresses. Indeed the Dukes may have already peaked.
There is a good possibility that by the end of the season, JMU moves to number 4.

However right now, there is a strong argument for them to be number 2.

There is not a strong argument for No 2. UVA is better than them. Did you see what they did to Boise?

Did you see that JMU put over 600 yards vs ECU in the blowout win just like VT, and held them to 17 just like VT?

I am not convinced that we are any better than ECU right now, at least on the offensive side of the ball, but I think JMU may right now be as good or better than UVA

ECU looks to be the worst team in all of FBS.

I dunno; UAB, UConn, Utep, Texas State, Rice, Charlotte, Ball State, Kent State, Georgia State, and Bowling Green come to mind. There are likely others as well; Baylor and Kansas........

(10-03-2017 03:23 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:07 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  That doesn't make the rank from the OP any less accurate.
I think we can all agree that things will change.

I expect UVA to get better, maybe dramatically so, as the season progresses.
As steve Williams settles in, I expect ODU to to get better as well.

With fewer schollies and associated depth, JMU will likely not get much better, if at all, as the season progresses. Indeed the Dukes may have already peaked.
There is a good possibility that by the end of the season, JMU moves to number 4.

However right now, there is a strong argument for them to be number 2.

There is not a strong argument for No 2. UVA is better than them. Did you see what they did to Boise?

Did you see that JMU put over 600 yards vs ECU in the blowout win just like VT, and held them to 17 just like VT?

I am not convinced that we are any better than ECU right now, at least on the offensive side of the ball, but I think JMU may right now be as good or better than UVA

ECU looks to be the worst team in all of FBS.

I dunno; UAB, UConn, Utep, Texas State, Rice, Charlotte, Ball State, Kent State, Georgia State, and Bowling Green come to mind. There are likely others as well; Baylor and Kansas........

Except that Georgia State beat Charlotte 28-0 in Charlotte. That one takes the cake for a while.

(10-03-2017 11:57 AM)odu09 Wrote:  But where does the state of Virginia rank among the rest of the states? If we aren't in the top 25 then by the grace of Wilhelm we are NOT doing our job.

At least we know we will always be ahead of New Jersey.

If we're not in the top 3 Mid-Atlantic States then by God SOMEONE is not doing their job! The Mason-Dixon Line is YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!!!1!!

(10-03-2017 01:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  ECU looks to be the worst team in all of FBS.

Lol. And how many additional seats are they planning to add in Greenville, NC?

(10-03-2017 12:04 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 10:22 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:59 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:50 AM)757ODU Wrote:  So we are discussing whether or not we would beat JMU? Maybe I need to change my opinions. Maybe this football program is not what I thought it was. We can't even be sure that we would beat an FCS program. YIKES.

To be fair, I am not sure half of CUSA and The Sunbelt could beat them in a one game scenario. I still think we are a bowl team. It is more of a commentary on how good they are and how good CUSA really is. Does it really seem crazy that a dominant FCS team is competitive with a middle to bottom CUSA team.

Then there is the matchup problem. We have not demonstrated that we can score against FCS defenses YET and I think JMU has the type of offense that would not be shut down by anybody short of the Alabamas and Clemsons.

As I said before, I think over the course of a full CUSA season, our size and depth would fair better than they would. But in a one game matchup at this point in the season, I think they would probably beat us.

Then I am extremely upset with the direction of this program. Once you make the move to FBS, you should always know that you will be favored vs FCS in the minds of your own fans. I am not sure how anyone could argue against that point.

Funny how the sides tend to flip between football and basketball

It seems like a lot of the people (not necessarily you) who are on one side for basketball, are on the opposite side for football (myself included). It would be interesting to see if that is true or just my perception, and find out what the underlying reason is. Maybe if I stop being lazy one day, I will take a look at it.

I'd tend to agree. There are definitely "football-first" and "bball-first" fans and administrators at Carolina (IRL) and I see a lot of the same tendencies here (forum).

(10-03-2017 03:39 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  ECU looks to be the worst team in all of FBS.

Lol. And how many additional seats are they planning to add in Greenville, NC?

Huge difference ! I know you know the differences.

(10-03-2017 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:07 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:28 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  JMU has a really tough schedule this year. Let's see how the fair against the likes of Rhode Island and the rest of their schedule before we crown them #2.

That doesn't make the rank from the OP any less accurate.
I think we can all agree that things will change.

I expect UVA to get better, maybe dramatically so, as the season progresses.
As steve Williams settles in, I expect ODU to to get better as well.

With fewer schollies and associated depth, JMU will likely not get much better, if at all, as the season progresses. Indeed the Dukes may have already peaked.
There is a good possibility that by the end of the season, JMU moves to number 4.

However right now, there is a strong argument for them to be number 2.

There is not a strong argument for No 2. UVA is better than them. Did you see what they did to Boise?

Did you see that JMU put over 600 yards vs ECU in the blowout win just like VT, and held them to 17 just like VT?

I am not convinced that we are any better than ECU right now, at least on the offensive side of the ball, but I think JMU may right now be as good or better than UVA

VT had 34 first downs and 675 yards on 95 plays. In the second half, they basically just ran down their throat. ECU had 12 first downs and 281 yards on 61 plays.

JMU had 23 first downs and 614 yards on 66 plays; however, ECU had 28 first downs and 362 yards on 83 plays.

Having said that, those stats are almost meaningless, but ECU got 16 more first downs against JMU than VT and lost by 47 instead of 20; its not really close.

JMU is a very good FCS team, but they couldn't hang with probably the top 110 or so teams in FBS. ECU is as bad as Charlotte and Rice (probably worse) this year.

It was 34-7 jmu with a minute left. Ecu scored the last td with about 20 seconds to get it more respectable.

And hard to get first downs when you gash a team for 80 yard td runs.

The game was never close or in doubt.

(10-03-2017 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  JMU is a very good FCS team, but they couldn't hang with probably the top 110 or so teams in FBS. ECU is as bad as Charlotte and Rice (probably worse) this year.

You can't be serious. There's 130 teams in FBS. You think the #1 FCS squad in any given year isn't good enough to beat more than the bottom 20? that's hilarious.. because it's been proven otherwise year after year and I'd think fans of a former FCS school would understand that. But maybe you all weren't around long enough to figure it out, maybe it's misplaced pride, I don't know.

I'd put my money on a top 5 FCS over any FBS team with a ranking that's even flirting with three digits.

(10-05-2017 04:46 PM)JMUisat2014 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  JMU is a very good FCS team, but they couldn't hang with probably the top 110 or so teams in FBS. ECU is as bad as Charlotte and Rice (probably worse) this year.

You can't be serious. There's 130 teams in FBS. You think the #1 FCS squad in any given year isn't good enough to beat more than the bottom 20? that's hilarious.. because it's been proven otherwise year after year and I'd think fans of a former FCS school would understand that. But maybe you all weren't around long enough to figure it out, maybe it's misplaced pride, I don't know.

I'd put my money on a top 5 FCS over any FBS team with a ranking that's even flirting with three digits.

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(10-05-2017 04:46 PM)JMUisat2014 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  JMU is a very good FCS team, but they couldn't hang with probably the top 110 or so teams in FBS. ECU is as bad as Charlotte and Rice (probably worse) this year.

You can't be serious. There's 130 teams in FBS. You think the #1 FCS squad in any given year isn't good enough to beat more than the bottom 20? that's hilarious.. because it's been proven otherwise year after year and I'd think fans of a former FCS school would understand that. But maybe you all weren't around long enough to figure it out, maybe it's misplaced pride, I don't know.

I'd put my money on a top 5 FCS over any FBS team with a ranking that's even flirting with three digits.

Getting a marquee win and playing a full FBS schedule and consistently winning are two different things. I feel 110 is too low for JMU, but I originally posted the question that no one answered: where in the FBS would JMU rank? 80? 50? I honestly don't know, but I would think closer to 80.

Not all of us are smug about the football team and our fast rise. But there is a fact that we all saw with our own eyes: there is a major difference between and FCS and FBS football squad. We've been watching it happen right in front of us. The level of play keeps getting better, kids are noticeably bigger.

I don't think you can really understand it until you see it yourself.

(10-05-2017 07:02 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 04:46 PM)JMUisat2014 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  JMU is a very good FCS team, but they couldn't hang with probably the top 110 or so teams in FBS. ECU is as bad as Charlotte and Rice (probably worse) this year.

You can't be serious. There's 130 teams in FBS. You think the #1 FCS squad in any given year isn't good enough to beat more than the bottom 20? that's hilarious.. because it's been proven otherwise year after year and I'd think fans of a former FCS school would understand that. But maybe you all weren't around long enough to figure it out, maybe it's misplaced pride, I don't know.

I'd put my money on a top 5 FCS over any FBS team with a ranking that's even flirting with three digits.

Getting a marquee win and playing a full FBS schedule and consistently winning are two different things. I feel 110 is too low for JMU, but I originally posted the question that no one answered: where in the FBS would JMU rank? 80? 50? I honestly don't know, but I would think closer to 80.

Not all of us are smug about the football team and our fast rise. But there is a fact that we all saw with our own eyes: there is a major difference between and FCS and FBS football squad. We've been watching it happen right in front of us. The level of play keeps getting better, kids are noticeably bigger.

I don't think you can really understand it until you see it yourself.

So, I guess first playing, and then watching D1 FB for the better part of 45+ years means I really don't understand it.

Sorry, I try not to troll this board, but that last sentence is perhaps the most absurd (and arrogant) comment possible. The truth is there's not that much difference between low-level FBS (which includes ODU), and high-level FCS (which includes JMU). The only real difference is in the depth provided by the 22 extra scholarships.

(10-05-2017 04:46 PM)JMUisat2014 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  JMU is a very good FCS team, but they couldn't hang with probably the top 110 or so teams in FBS. ECU is as bad as Charlotte and Rice (probably worse) this year.

You can't be serious. There's 130 teams in FBS. You think the #1 FCS squad in any given year isn't good enough to beat more than the bottom 20? that's hilarious.. because it's been proven otherwise year after year and I'd think fans of a former FCS school would understand that. But maybe you all weren't around long enough to figure it out, maybe it's misplaced pride, I don't know.

I'd put my money on a top 5 FCS over any FBS team with a ranking that's even flirting with three digits.

We used to think like this when we were in FCS but get to see it in person now in big boy ball.

(10-05-2017 07:02 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 04:46 PM)JMUisat2014 Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  JMU is a very good FCS team, but they couldn't hang with probably the top 110 or so teams in FBS. ECU is as bad as Charlotte and Rice (probably worse) this year.

You can't be serious. There's 130 teams in FBS. You think the #1 FCS squad in any given year isn't good enough to beat more than the bottom 20? that's hilarious.. because it's been proven otherwise year after year and I'd think fans of a former FCS school would understand that. But maybe you all weren't around long enough to figure it out, maybe it's misplaced pride, I don't know.

I'd put my money on a top 5 FCS over any FBS team with a ranking that's even flirting with three digits.

Getting a marquee win and playing a full FBS schedule and consistently winning are two different things. I feel 110 is too low for JMU, but I originally posted the question that no one answered: where in the FBS would JMU rank? 80? 50? I honestly don't know, but I would think closer to 80.

Not all of us are smug about the football team and our fast rise. But there is a fact that we all saw with our own eyes: there is a major difference between and FCS and FBS football squad. We've been watching it happen right in front of us. The level of play keeps getting better, kids are noticeably bigger.

I don't think you can really understand it until you see it yourself.

Using last year....

50 is essentially TCU........yeah, sorry JMU
80 is Syracuse.................yeah, again, sorry bros.
110 is Purdue......don't see JMU hanging there, but getting close.

I don't think JMU would stay out of the bottom 25 in FBS.