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GFlash68, it would have been nice to have had Mason or Hazell 3 to 5 years. Both were here for only two. Since Trevor Rees, only four coaches have had winning records, and only Don James (four years) and Dennis Fitzgerald (3 years) stayed more than two years. So, in the past 54 years, Kent State was coached by a coach with a losing record at the school 43 of 54 years. Those coaches had a combined two winning seasons in those 43 years. The 11 seasons coached by one with an overall winning record at the school included 6 winning seasons.
10-21-2017 09:24 PM
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(10-21-2017 09:24 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  GFlash68, it would have been nice to have had Mason or Hazell 3 to 5 years. Both were here for only two. Since Trevor Rees, only four coaches have had winning records, and only Don James (four years) and Dennis Fitzgerald (3 years) stayed more than two years. So, in the past 54 years, Kent State was coached by a coach with a losing record at the school 43 of 54 years. Those coaches had a combined two winning seasons in those 43 years. The 11 seasons coached by one with an overall winning record at the school included 6 winning seasons.
Interesting and depressing numbers, I wonder if any of these coaches had a team in their fifth yera on the job that was only capable of scoring three points against some mediocre MAC defenses?
10-22-2017 06:28 AM
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I wonder if any FBS team has had a worse forty years than Kent State from 1978 through this season. The good news is that fact just may be an attraction for a coach on the move. I mean, if he wins at Kent State, Power 5 schools would say the standard, "If he won at Kent State, imagine what he can do here!" Obviously, winning at Kent State or any similar mid-major often doesn't translate into success higher up the food chain. And, coaches who would want Kent State to be a very brief stepping stone often apply the "quick fix" that often isn't a good thing long term. There are no easy answers for Kent State football's dilemma. I admit I have no answers. I just hope someone does!
10-22-2017 09:16 AM
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(10-22-2017 09:16 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  I wonder if any FBS team has had a worse forty years than Kent State from 1978 through this season. The good news is that fact just may be an attraction for a coach on the move. I mean, if he wins at Kent State, Power 5 schools would say the standard, "If he won at Kent State, imagine what he can do here!" Obviously, winning at Kent State or any similar mid-major often doesn't translate into success higher up the food chain. And, coaches who would want Kent State to be a very brief stepping stone often apply the "quick fix" that often isn't a good thing long term. There are no easy answers for Kent State football's dilemma. I admit I have no answers. I just hope someone does!

At least for the last 20 years, Eastern Michigan looks like they've sucked more than Kent State. We've had more seasons better than them.
10-23-2017 02:51 PM
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Funny that Slinkin mentioned EMU. They won the MAC in 1987, when were no divisions. Kent State would have tied them and gone to a bowl as MAC champions had a late Kent State field goal attempt not hit the left upright late against EMU. This article seems to have been written in 2012, and has Kent State the worst ever. Since KSU's record prior to 1978 was better than beginning 1978, there is an excellent chance that they have had the worst winning percentage over the last 40 years.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/11884...grams-ever
10-23-2017 03:34 PM
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New Mexico State is probably worse. Currently coached by Doug Martin, they have not made a bowl since 1960.
10-23-2017 08:54 PM
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(10-23-2017 08:54 PM)KentKrazy Wrote:  New Mexico State is probably worse. Currently coached by Doug Martin, they have not made a bowl since 1960.

At least they have an offense that scores
10-24-2017 10:24 AM
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I looked up New Mexico State. They, too, have been awful these last forty seasons. I didn't calculate who had the worst won-loss record. It would be close, though. Still, during that period, they have had four winning seasons to Kent State's three, and one conference championship to Kent State's none.
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The debate rages on if we have the worst program in the last 40 years in college football. Our current team borders on unwatchable (it is for me) to most people. I don't see how PH can get an extension at the end of the season. Hopefully, Joel can lure someone good to infuse some life. I don't need 8-10 wins a year. While that would be nice, a near .500 team that is competitive week in and week out would be enough for me. I am just looking for baby steps.
10-24-2017 04:01 PM
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dannyb73, I don't think there is any debate. I think everyone agrees that the program has been at or near the bottom. There is just some curiosity as to whether any program has actually been worse. It doesn't really matter. What you say I think we all could agree with. I don't think ANYONE is hoping that Kent State become the next Boise State. Or, even be what they are in other sports, such as men's basketball, golf, baseball, etc. I think most of us would be happy as heck if they were to become a program whose record averages around .500, with most in-conference games being close and exciting, with a division title every half-dozen years or so, and with a title maybe every dozen years or so years. In other words, most of us would gladly settle for a team whose performance would still get most Power 5 coaches fired!
10-24-2017 04:21 PM
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(10-24-2017 04:01 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  The debate rages on if we have the worst program in the last 40 years in college football. Our current team borders on unwatchable (it is for me) to most people. I don't see how PH can get an extension at the end of the season. Hopefully, Joel can lure someone good to infuse some life. I don't need 8-10 wins a year. While that would be nice, a near .500 team that is competitive week in and week out would be enough for me. I am just looking for baby steps.

I can accept 0.500 football if it's exciting - when Corrigal was coach they had a terrible defense (which I never understood given his play as a Flash) but they put up lots of points. I too can't watch this offense and I imagine how the defensive players feel trying to keep the game close while being constantly on the field.
10-24-2017 06:48 PM
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(10-23-2017 03:34 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  Funny that Slinkin mentioned EMU. They won the MAC in 1987, when were no divisions. Kent State would have tied them and gone to a bowl as MAC champions had a late Kent State field goal attempt not hit the left upright late against EMU. This article seems to have been written in 2012, and has Kent State the worst ever. Since KSU's record prior to 1978 was better than beginning 1978, there is an excellent chance that they have had the worst winning percentage over the last 40 years.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/11884...grams-ever

I was at that game as a freshman and mistakenly thought KSU football might actually be good... lol 01-wingedeagle03-lmfao
10-25-2017 06:27 PM
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Nice Haynes!! He made CBS sports as a coach on the hot seat! Joel has to be getting excited! He gets to spend his time hiring a football coach. That way he doesn’t have to spend time with winning programs.
10-25-2017 10:11 PM
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The Flash, they WERE good in 1987 (7-4), and not bad the year before (5-6, 5-3 in the MAC), and competitive the year after (5-6), but then had to wait another 13 seasons to win 5 or more games (6-5 in 2001, 5-3 in the MAC) and 25 years after 1987 to win 7 or more games (2012). That pretty much sums up Kent State football since the James/Fitzgerald era - a very brief period of success followed by years and years of futility.
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(10-26-2017 05:50 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  The Flash, they WERE good in 1987 (7-4), and not bad the year before (5-6, 5-3 in the MAC), and competitive the year after (5-6), but then had to wait another 13 seasons to win 5 or more games (6-5 in 2001, 5-3 in the MAC) and 25 years after 1987 to win 7 or more games (2012). That pretty much sums up Kent State football since the James/Fitzgerald era - a very brief period of success followed by years and years of futility.

Will the next coach stay longer than 5 years to build the program? Would Sam Houston or Jacksonville State coaches entertain an offer from the AD?

The culture has to change, admin has to be willing to put into football…if not the same results will continue…Is there and D2 or D3 coaches that could change the program? Guess that’s the $100,000 question…
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$5-600,000 question
10-26-2017 07:48 PM
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Two quick thoughts..
1) With the team currently 2-6 is the administration holding out firing him until after the 7th loss.
2) The University is currently doing a hiring freeze for everything outside of union or essential jobs. Could that be impacting the thoughts of replacing him at the moment?
10-27-2017 09:02 AM
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(10-27-2017 09:02 AM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  Two quick thoughts..
1) With the team currently 2-6 is the administration holding out firing him until after the 7th loss.
2) The University is currently doing a hiring freeze for everything outside of union or essential jobs. Could that be impacting the thoughts of replacing him at the moment?

PH is not going to get fired. He is just likely not going to get a new contract.
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Technically true, dannyb73. Gerry Faust always made the point that he wasn't fired at Notre Dame, that he coached the length of his contract. But it seems a distinction without a difference.
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In any case, the next several months will determine if I continue to support the FB program or not. I am ready for BB and have already made a contribution and purchased season tickets. I like the direction of the BB program and intend to donate more before year end.
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