(10-05-2017 05:52 PM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  Lyle is #1 on the Coaching Hot Seat according to this website. Brian Kelly is #21.

http://coacheshotseat.com/

Man, I feel for the Charlotte (#11) and South Alabama (#17) coaches. The pressure to win must be immense.

Hell, the Soth Alabama staff should have already been summarily fired for cause for all the heated recruiting battles they lost to us the prior 4 years.

(10-05-2017 08:31 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 08:24 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 07:17 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 05:52 PM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  Lyle is #1 on the Coaching Hot Seat according to this website. Brian Kelly is #21.

http://coacheshotseat.com/

Luke is #39

Numbers 1 - 38 are either on the hot seat or on the edge of the hot seat. CLF at #39 seems a bit high to me, considering that Miami's Chuck Martin is considered safer at #60. I'll take it as a compliment that our national expectations are to return to being one of the top (currently) G5 teams.

It's obviously one guy's opinion. Most people have Kevin Summlin (Texas A&M) in the "Top 5," this guy's matrix has him at #16. Kansas' David Beatty (in at #6 in this list) is considered relatively "safe" this season, as is Rhule (Baylor), and Lovie Smith (Illinois).

Outside of a couple of pissed off ECU fans, I have never heard Scottie [fixed] Montgomery's name mentioned as being in any jeopardy...they can't even fire their inept BB coach after several seasons, I'd guess Montgomery's seat is absolutely "cool."

Butch is 100% gone. Wont matter what he does the rest of the season. A bunch have players have already stated they will transfer if he's retained.

I'm very surprised Sumlin is that low on the list. He has underachieved big-time there and he has some off-field issues as well.

LOL @ Lovie Smith, talk about a coach that is just coasting until retirement. Illinois made a huge mistake hiring that guy. I've heard he puts in almost zero effort into recruiting or from a coaching standpoint and it shows with how poorly prepared they have looked so far this year. That's a program that should be better than it is.

(10-06-2017 01:18 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 08:31 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 08:24 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 07:17 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 05:52 PM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  Lyle is #1 on the Coaching Hot Seat according to this website. Brian Kelly is #21.

http://coacheshotseat.com/

Luke is #39

Numbers 1 - 38 are either on the hot seat or on the edge of the hot seat. CLF at #39 seems a bit high to me, considering that Miami's Chuck Martin is considered safer at #60. I'll take it as a compliment that our national expectations are to return to being one of the top (currently) G5 teams.

It's obviously one guy's opinion. Most people have Kevin Summlin (Texas A&M) in the "Top 5," this guy's matrix has him at #16. Kansas' David Beatty (in at #6 in this list) is considered relatively "safe" this season, as is Rhule (Baylor), and Lovie Smith (Illinois).

Outside of a couple of pissed off ECU fans, I have never heard Scottie [fixed] Montgomery's name mentioned as being in any jeopardy...they can't even fire their inept BB coach after several seasons, I'd guess Montgomery's seat is absolutely "cool."

Butch is 100% gone. Wont matter what he does the rest of the season. A bunch have players have already stated they will transfer if he's retained.

I'm very surprised Sumlin is that low on the list. He has underachieved big-time there and he has some off-field issues as well.

LOL @ Lovie Smith, talk about a coach that is just coasting until retirement. Illinois made a huge mistake hiring that guy. I've heard he puts in almost zero effort into recruiting or from a coaching standpoint and it shows with how poorly prepared they have looked so far this year. That's a program that should be better than it is.

Doesn't Tennessee currently have the 6th rated recruiting class in the country? It will be interesting to see how schools approach firing coaches with a relatively early December signing date now available.

(10-06-2017 01:18 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 08:31 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 08:24 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 07:17 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 05:52 PM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  Lyle is #1 on the Coaching Hot Seat according to this website. Brian Kelly is #21.

http://coacheshotseat.com/

Luke is #39

Numbers 1 - 38 are either on the hot seat or on the edge of the hot seat. CLF at #39 seems a bit high to me, considering that Miami's Chuck Martin is considered safer at #60. I'll take it as a compliment that our national expectations are to return to being one of the top (currently) G5 teams.

It's obviously one guy's opinion. Most people have Kevin Summlin (Texas A&M) in the "Top 5," this guy's matrix has him at #16. Kansas' David Beatty (in at #6 in this list) is considered relatively "safe" this season, as is Rhule (Baylor), and Lovie Smith (Illinois).

Outside of a couple of pissed off ECU fans, I have never heard Scottie [fixed] Montgomery's name mentioned as being in any jeopardy...they can't even fire their inept BB coach after several seasons, I'd guess Montgomery's seat is absolutely "cool."

Butch is 100% gone. Wont matter what he does the rest of the season. A bunch have players have already stated they will transfer if he's retained.

I'm very surprised Sumlin is that low on the list. He has underachieved big-time there and he has some off-field issues as well.

LOL @ Lovie Smith, talk about a coach that is just coasting until retirement. Illinois made a huge mistake hiring that guy. I've heard he puts in almost zero effort into recruiting or from a coaching standpoint and it shows with how poorly prepared they have looked so far this year. That's a program that should be better than it is.

Illinois is in a tough spot. They are financially strapped, so they are needing to try and squeak through however they can. Lovie is one of those guys who gives a "Name" brand...NFL credentials with the Bears...with a minimal cash outlay. And he can't do much worse than his predecessors. Yeah, he's probably "riding it out," but I don't see Illinois being able or willing to pull the trigger on a change...so his "seat" is pretty "cool" right now.

If I had to pick a "top 3" of "coaches on the hot seat," they would all be SEC guys. Jones is probably at the top; I agree with you that he's done. I'd put Orgeron at #2, though I don't know that LSU could actually fire him; but he's under INTENSE pressure at LSU from the fans...if I were him, I'd invest in an armed guard 24/7. Sumlin would come in at #3; probably also a "dead man walking" situation there. Rounding out the "Top 5" would be Kelly at Notre Dame; now that they're done paying off Charlie Weis, he HAS to win...and win convincingly...this year. And Mike Riley at Nebraska is also probably gone at the end of the season.

(10-06-2017 01:59 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(10-06-2017 01:18 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 08:31 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 08:24 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 07:17 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Luke is #39

Numbers 1 - 38 are either on the hot seat or on the edge of the hot seat. CLF at #39 seems a bit high to me, considering that Miami's Chuck Martin is considered safer at #60. I'll take it as a compliment that our national expectations are to return to being one of the top (currently) G5 teams.

It's obviously one guy's opinion. Most people have Kevin Summlin (Texas A&M) in the "Top 5," this guy's matrix has him at #16. Kansas' David Beatty (in at #6 in this list) is considered relatively "safe" this season, as is Rhule (Baylor), and Lovie Smith (Illinois).

Outside of a couple of pissed off ECU fans, I have never heard Scottie [fixed] Montgomery's name mentioned as being in any jeopardy...they can't even fire their inept BB coach after several seasons, I'd guess Montgomery's seat is absolutely "cool."

Butch is 100% gone. Wont matter what he does the rest of the season. A bunch have players have already stated they will transfer if he's retained.

I'm very surprised Sumlin is that low on the list. He has underachieved big-time there and he has some off-field issues as well.

LOL @ Lovie Smith, talk about a coach that is just coasting until retirement. Illinois made a huge mistake hiring that guy. I've heard he puts in almost zero effort into recruiting or from a coaching standpoint and it shows with how poorly prepared they have looked so far this year. That's a program that should be better than it is.

Doesn't Tennessee currently have the 6th rated recruiting class in the country? It will be interesting to see how schools approach firing coaches with a relatively early December signing date now available.

Yes, but it's already falling apart. Everyone knew that would happen if Butch had another disappointing year. That class is rated that high because it has so many commits compared to other schools. It's really a 12-15 type of class nationally at this point. I agree the December signing date is a new interesting dynamic this year. I personally think Butch is gone officially before the end of October. He's done no matter how the rest of the season plays out.

(10-06-2017 02:05 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-06-2017 01:18 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 08:31 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 08:24 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 07:17 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Luke is #39

Numbers 1 - 38 are either on the hot seat or on the edge of the hot seat. CLF at #39 seems a bit high to me, considering that Miami's Chuck Martin is considered safer at #60. I'll take it as a compliment that our national expectations are to return to being one of the top (currently) G5 teams.

It's obviously one guy's opinion. Most people have Kevin Summlin (Texas A&M) in the "Top 5," this guy's matrix has him at #16. Kansas' David Beatty (in at #6 in this list) is considered relatively "safe" this season, as is Rhule (Baylor), and Lovie Smith (Illinois).

Outside of a couple of pissed off ECU fans, I have never heard Scottie [fixed] Montgomery's name mentioned as being in any jeopardy...they can't even fire their inept BB coach after several seasons, I'd guess Montgomery's seat is absolutely "cool."

Butch is 100% gone. Wont matter what he does the rest of the season. A bunch have players have already stated they will transfer if he's retained.

I'm very surprised Sumlin is that low on the list. He has underachieved big-time there and he has some off-field issues as well.

LOL @ Lovie Smith, talk about a coach that is just coasting until retirement. Illinois made a huge mistake hiring that guy. I've heard he puts in almost zero effort into recruiting or from a coaching standpoint and it shows with how poorly prepared they have looked so far this year. That's a program that should be better than it is.

Illinois is in a tough spot. They are financially strapped, so they are needing to try and squeak through however they can. Lovie is one of those guys who gives a "Name" brand...NFL credentials with the Bears...with a minimal cash outlay. And he can't do much worse than his predecessors. Yeah, he's probably "riding it out," but I don't see Illinois being able or willing to pull the trigger on a change...so his "seat" is pretty "cool" right now.

If I had to pick a "top 3" of "coaches on the hot seat," they would all be SEC guys. Jones is probably at the top; I agree with you that he's done. I'd put Orgeron at #2, though I don't know that LSU could actually fire him; but he's under INTENSE pressure at LSU from the fans...if I were him, I'd invest in an armed guard 24/7. Sumlin would come in at #3; probably also a "dead man walking" situation there. Rounding out the "Top 5" would be Kelly at Notre Dame; now that they're done paying off Charlie Weis, he HAS to win...and win convincingly...this year. And Mike Riley at Nebraska is also probably gone at the end of the season.

Good point on Illinois and their financial situation. They are sort of in the same spot Missouri is. Really a dead and dying program because of such awful financial mismanagement on a University and state level, not to mention policies that are causing boosters and fans to run for the hills. You're right, Smith if probably safe for those very reasons, but he is not going to take that program anywhere. He's just in full blown coast mode.

Uh oh, someone else fell on a helmet...

Quote:Source: UT DE Darrell Taylor kicked OL Trey Smith's face at practice during 1 minute drill Thursday, leading to Smith needing stitches.

(10-05-2017 08:42 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 05:52 PM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  Lyle is #1 on the Coaching Hot Seat according to this website. Brian Kelly is #21.

http://coacheshotseat.com/

Man, I feel for the Charlotte (#11) and South Alabama (#17) coaches. The pressure to win must be immense.

too bad that we couldn't trust Brian Kelly's loyalty anymore, but I sure wish he was back at UC, if he ever gets canned at Notre Dame. He definitely had a great offense when he coached at UC.

(10-10-2017 09:05 AM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 08:42 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 05:52 PM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  Lyle is #1 on the Coaching Hot Seat according to this website. Brian Kelly is #21.

http://coacheshotseat.com/

Man, I feel for the Charlotte (#11) and South Alabama (#17) coaches. The pressure to win must be immense.

too bad that we couldn't trust Brian Kelly's loyalty anymore, but I sure wish he was back at UC, if he ever gets canned at Notre Dame. He definitely had a great offense when he coached at UC.

I'd still bring him back in a heart beat. Worst thing that happens is he wins a bunch of games and leaves again. I'd take 34-6 again.

last year was a weird year for ND. They were a much better team than their record. A big turnaround this year was really predictable. That UGA team they lost to is really good, but still probably shouldn't have lost that. I think ND is a top 5-10 team right now and could easily find themselves in the playoffs if a couple things go right.

(10-01-2017 11:59 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

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(10-01-2017 10:44 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 11:55 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  Horrible game day coach. Too much 'coach speak'. Don't want him back but after tonight I think we may need a new direction...

Overreact much?

Yeah well if this guy was our AD butch would've been canned after year one with his 4-8 record.

yup and Dantonio after his 4-7 start too...

I remember a lot of people wanting butch fired his first season. he had an incredible turnaround in year 2. hopefully fickell can do the same. also to be fair dantonio started 7-5 with a bowl win.

(10-05-2017 09:24 AM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 12:32 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 10:59 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 10:46 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'd still take him back tomorrow....

He will do well at an AAC, MAC, C-USA level job. That's where he belongs and about where his ceiling is. He recruits well enough and somehow he motivates his guys to play hard despite running a high school level offensive scheme. He was just in way over his head in the SEC. He was his own worst enemies most of the time with his "Champions of Life" crap and robotic clichés to every question. That crap doesn't fly with the media and fans in that league. He also refused to adapt his scheme and he's just horrible from a gameday management standpoint. Unfortunately for him he never learned to get away from it and just be honest when faced with adversity.

He's a mediocre coach, even for the AAC. But I like that he does things the right way.

I always thought the SEC was the wrong environment for him. He would have been better off at Purdue, where they'd be happy with 6-7 wins a year as long as he ran a squeaky clean program.

Agreed. I would not take Butch back. We saw his ceiling at UC. He never took us to the heights that we yearn for. He got to bask in the afterglow of BK, and achieved a victory over an SEC team (VANDY, mind you) which was cool, but c'mon.

He is a subpar gameday coach, and he's not learning. He's going to recruit reasonably well, and he's likely going to run a clean program. Not small feats. I think he'll do fine somewhere else, but he'll likely fade off into the sunset at some program holding the rope during 3-5 loss seasons in perpetuity.




mc

Spoiler alert: No coach is going to take you to those heights. You're being unrealistic. Brian Kelly was a once in a lifetime coach for a program like UC. Even his teams benefited from being in the big east and likely would have lost more games per year in any of the other BCS conferences. The best UC can reasonably hope for is a butch jones type who will consistently win 9-10 and once in a while make a run at an undefeated season/potential playoff berth. At this point id take him back without a second thought.

Some are fighting to keep Butch Jones around.

Get yours here:
Fire Butch shirt

My wife was at that tailgate yesterday. He gawn.

He's definitely gone. There is no question about it. He was basically done after the way they lost the Florida game due to his comedy of coaching errors once again. It will likely happen after the Alabama beat down that is coming this week.

(10-16-2017 09:03 AM)Marcus Wrote:  He's definitely gone. There is no question about it. He was basically done after the way they lost the Florida game due to his comedy of coaching errors once again. It will likely happen after the Alabama beat down that is coming this week.

Do you think Brady Hoke or Larry Scott will be the interim after Jones' departure?

(10-16-2017 09:05 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 09:03 AM)Marcus Wrote:  He's definitely gone. There is no question about it. He was basically done after the way they lost the Florida game due to his comedy of coaching errors once again. It will likely happen after the Alabama beat down that is coming this week.

Do you think Brady Hoke or Larry Scott will be the interim after Jones' departure?

Good question. I really don't know. Hoke is in his first year on staff so I don't see it going to him even though he's got a ton of head coaching experience. I could see it being Scott since he's done it before or maybe even Bob Shoop the DC.

(10-16-2017 10:42 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 09:05 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 09:03 AM)Marcus Wrote:  He's definitely gone. There is no question about it. He was basically done after the way they lost the Florida game due to his comedy of coaching errors once again. It will likely happen after the Alabama beat down that is coming this week.

Do you think Brady Hoke or Larry Scott will be the interim after Jones' departure?

Good question. I really don't know. Hoke is in his first year on staff so I don't see it going to him even though he's got a ton of head coaching experience. I could see it being Scott since he's done it before or maybe even Bob Shoop the DC.

Read that if he's fired this year, they school will owe him $9.2M buyout...

https://www.seccountry.com/sec/darren-ro...d-tomorrow

Edit - Looks like it's down to $8.4M after 2 weeks, so I'm guessing if he's not let go after Alabama, he'll probably finish the year if they're saving $400k/week.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tennes...es-sunday/