(09-29-2017 08:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 05:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 02:38 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 11:50 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 11:38 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  NFL PLAYERS ARE KNEELING FOR GOD'S SAKE! How can you even bring up millions of Americans being in catastrophic peril when there are real problems to deal with?!?

Unlike you leftists it seems Trump can do more than one thing at a time.

https://www.fema.gov/hurricane-maria?utm...n=disaster

Quote:FEMA search and rescue teams have visited all 78 municipalities of Puerto Rico, conducting search and rescue operations and helping to assess hospitals. FEMA US&R task forces saved or assisted 843 individuals and five pets, while searching over 2,600 structures as of September 27.

One of the many obstacles to getting help to everybody


In those areas inaccessible by road you have to fly in supplies, which limits the amounts you can carry




But by all means continue with your false leftist narrative. I'll enjoy destroying it just like I destroyed the one in the original thread.

I know you're trying to defend dear leader but you are missing the point. Nobody is saying there hasn't been any response or assistance... they are saying it's been to slow and inadequate. There is no denying that it has been and to say the obstacles are to great to overcome and get much greater help to suffering Americans is ridiculous. Pretty clear that instead of focusing his attention and using his platform on important issues he has decided to pick a fight with football players and focus America's attention on that... I get it though, Trump's snowflake base is much more interested in being outraged at football players than facing real issues.

This was a real chance for Tbag to earn political points by showing America that he will do everything in his power to help Americans regardless of race, economic status, or language because they are still Americans. Instead he has acted slowly and appears to not really give a damn. Pathetic.

Hey, at least people arnt talking about the failure and ineptitude of the latest attempt to repeal and replace right? Why should we talk about NK threatening to shoot down our aircraft when there are KNEELERS to chastise?!?

As much as I find it funny to see republican snowflakes come out of the woodworks to cry about how the NFL should be a safe space I would rather them focus on helping Americans in need.

OK fine. Since you are the expert around here on disaster response what should they be doing?

No crawfishing now...you are saying that they aren't doing enough so tell us in your expert opinion what should they be doing/

BUMP so the Anole can see this again.

Bump this again.

Genius, expert! What different, what more? How, when and logistically where is your plan?

Fraud.

(09-30-2017 01:51 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 06:16 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 06:05 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 04:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:42 PM)VA49er Wrote:  I would never have been fast enough. Folks seem to think these operations can be planned and executed on a moment's notice. Help is on the way but I agree it's hard to have patience when one has no water/electricity/supplies, etc.

I would guess that the people complaining about how slowly this is happening have zero concept of what is actually involved in a disaster relief effort.

For this who think this is too slow, exactly what would you do to make it faster? How?

Lol sends 5000 national guard and 3 ships after 6 days to help 3.5 million people, waits to lift the Jones act for only 10 days, finally sends more ships full of supplies and troops but only after massive backlash and rapidly worsening conditions... The administration using the excuse of damaged infrastructure only makes the shockingly inadequate initial response that much more incompetent. Then has the gall to call it a success story.

I thinks it's pretty clear who has no idea what it takes to run a proper disaster relief effort.

I don't know why I expected more from a reality tv president to help American citizens.

I'm not sure why he didn't just tweet out some help.

And what'd you do, hero?

Lemme guess...

Be prepared for the rescue effort instead of trolling NFL players.

(09-30-2017 07:13 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Be prepared for the rescue effort instead of trolling NFL players.

So what preparations could have been made? You either have people and stuff prepositioned there (which would have made things worse) or you have to get them there. You have airplanes, ships, and helicopters. Ships are slow to get there. Plus they are not going to be optimally placed either to load or to get there in a hurry. Airplanes can't really do much until they have places to land them. Helos a very useful because so many roads are out, but helps have to get there first, which typically means on those slow ships, because they don't have the legs to fly there nonstop.

Plus, all this has to be coordinated, or else things just get in the way of each other.

I don't think people who have never actually done one of these have any idea of the scale and infrastructure required to bring it off.

(09-30-2017 08:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 07:13 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Be prepared for the rescue effort instead of trolling NFL players.

So what preparations could have been made? You either have people and stuff prepositioned there (which would have made things worse) or you have to get them there. You have airplanes, ships, and helicopters. Ships are slow to get there. Plus they are not going to be optimally placed either to load or to get there in a hurry. Airplanes can't really do much until they have places to land them. Helos a very useful because so many roads are out, but helps have to get there first, which typically means on those slow ships, because they don't have the legs to fly there nonstop.

Plus, all this has to be coordinated, or else things just get in the way of each other.

I don't think people who have never actually done one of these have any idea of the scale and infrastructure required to bring it off.

So many excuses.

(09-30-2017 09:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 08:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 07:13 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Be prepared for the rescue effort instead of trolling NFL players.

So what preparations could have been made? You either have people and stuff prepositioned there (which would have made things worse) or you have to get them there. You have airplanes, ships, and helicopters. Ships are slow to get there. Plus they are not going to be optimally placed either to load or to get there in a hurry. Airplanes can't really do much until they have places to land them. Helos a very useful because so many roads are out, but helps have to get there first, which typically means on those slow ships, because they don't have the legs to fly there nonstop.
Plus, all this has to be coordinated, or else things just get in the way of each other.
I don't think people who have never actually done one of these have any idea of the scale and infrastructure required to bring it off.

So many excuses.

So you don't have any solutions, just want to complain and moan.

(09-30-2017 09:24 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 09:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 08:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 07:13 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Be prepared for the rescue effort instead of trolling NFL players.

So what preparations could have been made? You either have people and stuff prepositioned there (which would have made things worse) or you have to get them there. You have airplanes, ships, and helicopters. Ships are slow to get there. Plus they are not going to be optimally placed either to load or to get there in a hurry. Airplanes can't really do much until they have places to land them. Helos a very useful because so many roads are out, but helps have to get there first, which typically means on those slow ships, because they don't have the legs to fly there nonstop.
Plus, all this has to be coordinated, or else things just get in the way of each other.
I don't think people who have never actually done one of these have any idea of the scale and infrastructure required to bring it off.

So many excuses.

So you don't have any solutions, just want to complain and moan.

I want people to live.

(09-30-2017 09:24 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 09:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 08:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 07:13 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Be prepared for the rescue effort instead of trolling NFL players.

So what preparations could have been made? You either have people and stuff prepositioned there (which would have made things worse) or you have to get them there. You have airplanes, ships, and helicopters. Ships are slow to get there. Plus they are not going to be optimally placed either to load or to get there in a hurry. Airplanes can't really do much until they have places to land them. Helos a very useful because so many roads are out, but helps have to get there first, which typically means on those slow ships, because they don't have the legs to fly there nonstop.
Plus, all this has to be coordinated, or else things just get in the way of each other.
I don't think people who have never actually done one of these have any idea of the scale and infrastructure required to bring it off.

So many excuses.

So you don't have any solutions, just want to complain and moan.

Nah, he wants to evacuate 3.5 million people from the island with no idea how to do it and no idea where to put them once he evacuates.

OK, so I'm going to offer an opinion that the relief effort in Puerto Rico is proceeding just about as rapidly and efficiently and effectively as is reasonably possible. If you want to disagree, fine, but start by pointing out things that could be being done better, and point out how they could be done better with existing resources. You can't, so don't waste time trying.

(09-30-2017 09:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  OK, so I'm going to offer an opinion that the relief effort in Puerto Rico is proceeding just about as rapidly and efficiently and effectively as is reasonably possible. If you want to disagree, fine, but start by pointing out things that could be being done better, and point out how they could be done better with existing resources. You can't, so don't waste time trying.

Agreed.


Don't know about you or our resident Coastie but I sure wish I would have had all the diaster recovery experts on any of the many disaster recovery operations I participated in over the years.

(09-30-2017 09:48 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 09:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  OK, so I'm going to offer an opinion that the relief effort in Puerto Rico is proceeding just about as rapidly and efficiently and effectively as is reasonably possible. If you want to disagree, fine, but start by pointing out things that could be being done better, and point out how they could be done better with existing resources. You can't, so don't waste time trying.

Agreed.
Don't know about you or our resident Coastie but I sure wish I would have had all the diaster recovery experts on any of the many disaster recovery operations I participated in over the years.

Actually, I thank God I didn't.

This is pretty much just another attempt to exploit a tragedy. People screaming about Puerto Rico today actually rarely give a damn about Puerto Rico.

And Trump, once again, hands them a bucket of tar and feathers free of charge.

I'm really waiting for Trump to go after the St. Jude Hospital kids. I'm starting to think its only a matter of time.

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(09-30-2017 10:33 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  This is pretty much just another attempt to exploit a tragedy. People screaming about Puerto Rico today actually rarely give a damn about Puerto Rico.

And Trump, once again, hands them a bucket of tar and feathers free of charge.

I'm really waiting for Trump to go after the St. Jude Hospital kids. I'm starting to think its only a matter of time.

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That mayor talking about "genocide" is another example of trying to take advantage of a tragedy. Horrible leader.

(09-30-2017 09:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 09:24 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 09:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 08:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 07:13 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Be prepared for the rescue effort instead of trolling NFL players.

So what preparations could have been made? You either have people and stuff prepositioned there (which would have made things worse) or you have to get them there. You have airplanes, ships, and helicopters. Ships are slow to get there. Plus they are not going to be optimally placed either to load or to get there in a hurry. Airplanes can't really do much until they have places to land them. Helos a very useful because so many roads are out, but helps have to get there first, which typically means on those slow ships, because they don't have the legs to fly there nonstop.
Plus, all this has to be coordinated, or else things just get in the way of each other.
I don't think people who have never actually done one of these have any idea of the scale and infrastructure required to bring it off.

So many excuses.

So you don't have any solutions, just want to complain and moan.

Nah, he wants to evacuate 3.5 million people from the island with no idea how to do it and no idea where to put them once he evacuates.

Next year, we will evaluate the rescue efforts and you will realize that I was right. However, you won't admit it, that I can tell you.

(09-30-2017 01:55 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Genius, expert!

aw thanks for the kind words!

I guess I'll add altruistic to the list and tell you I was trolling. Even said so in my last post. I figured y'all would appreciate someone that uses the Trump style since it obviously resonates with y'all.

It's almost like you see how absurd it is when it's the other party doing it...

Don't be a hater or loser,
Vote for Trumpzilla!

(09-30-2017 10:52 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 09:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 09:24 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 09:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 08:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So what preparations could have been made? You either have people and stuff prepositioned there (which would have made things worse) or you have to get them there. You have airplanes, ships, and helicopters. Ships are slow to get there. Plus they are not going to be optimally placed either to load or to get there in a hurry. Airplanes can't really do much until they have places to land them. Helos a very useful because so many roads are out, but helps have to get there first, which typically means on those slow ships, because they don't have the legs to fly there nonstop.
Plus, all this has to be coordinated, or else things just get in the way of each other.
I don't think people who have never actually done one of these have any idea of the scale and infrastructure required to bring it off.

So many excuses.

So you don't have any solutions, just want to complain and moan.

Nah, he wants to evacuate 3.5 million people from the island with no idea how to do it and no idea where to put them once he evacuates.

Next year, we will evaluate the rescue efforts and you will realize that I was right. However, you won't admit it, that I can tell you.

LOL You still don't get it do you?

There is absolutely no way we could evacuate 3.5 million people from the island in a timely enough manner to make a difference. We don't have the available airlift and we don't have enough available shipping.

Not to mention the already covered fact that we don't have anywhere to house 3.5 million additional people without creating an additional humanitarian crisis.

(09-30-2017 09:51 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 09:48 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 09:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  OK, so I'm going to offer an opinion that the relief effort in Puerto Rico is proceeding just about as rapidly and efficiently and effectively as is reasonably possible. If you want to disagree, fine, but start by pointing out things that could be being done better, and point out how they could be done better with existing resources. You can't, so don't waste time trying.

Agreed.
Don't know about you or our resident Coastie but I sure wish I would have had all the diaster recovery experts on any of the many disaster recovery operations I participated in over the years.

Actually, I thank God I didn't.

(09-29-2017 02:53 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Puerto Rico should be an independent island nation - same for the U.S. Virgin Islands. That said, I think the U.S. is doing the best it can given the circumstances. Since the people living in Puerto Rico are U.S. citizens, then WTF are they still doing there and not trying to move the U.S. mainland away from these storms? NFW should they rebuild those homes only to see future storms flatten them again. Move to the mainland or rely on the charity of the U.S. gov't and other private groups. Since it's obvious that they are in a very sensitive area for flooding and hurricanes, they should no longer have the right to be rebuilt by the U.S. Unlike an independent island nation, there is zero excuse for Puerto Ricans to remain in harms way like they do currently. This is another one of those "flood insurance" and "repeat hurricane" situations where idiots need to move to safer places to live.

I hope like hell as many people on the island are helped as quickly as humanly possible; however, my sympathy for the aftermath (rebuild) is at zero. GTF off the island. It's dangerous...

Believe it or not Miko....My wife has an employee that actually flew back to PR before the storm to be with his elderly parents. I wonder how many others did this? He and his parents are fine BTW. She just heard from him 2 days ago due to the lack of communication.