(09-27-2017 12:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:30 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 11:11 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 10:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You just don't come to Alabama and tell Alabamians how to vote, even if they voted for you. Big Luther might have had a closer race if Trump had not tried to tell us all how to vote. The robocall to my home just didn't sit well with me.

This^^^^

Way back in 1970, it appeared that George Wallace was in some danger of losing the Democrat primary to the incumbent (but unelected) Gov. Albert Brewer. President Nixon wanted nothing more than to see GCW lose, but he knew actively campaigning against him by an outsider would backfire. He privately and secretly steered a ton of $$$$ to Brewer, and it was almost enough, but not quite. Brewer won the primary 42-41 but a majority was needed for the nomination and Wallace won the run-off 51-49.

Wallace thereby continued to influence Alabama politics (much for the worse, IMHO) for an additional 16 years before finally retiring once and for all in 1986.

Knew a guy that had a Wallace for president coffee cup. On one side it had a picture of George Washington, father of our country. On the other side it had a picture of George Wallace, future of our country. I busted out laughing when I first saw it. Still makes me laugh when his name comes up.

I've known two governors (of Alabama), one more obliquely than the other. Wallace was the oblique one, although I knew one of his children better. The 1970 election that Native Georgian referenced was a particularly nasty one.

If not for Arthur Bremer's gunshots, it is quite possible that GCW would have had an even stronger voice, would have used it nationally, and would have used it stridently at exactly a time when it would have done the most damage. In many ways Bremer is a figure like Carl Weiss, a criminal gunman who for personal reasons shot a man which reflected the darker nature of humanity at a time when humanity was feeling darkly.

In 1972 heading into Maryland, Wallace was coming off of some surprising election results in Northern primaries and would have been a threat at the convention. So laughing at that coffee cup was not an appropriate response. Cringing when you look at it and reflecting upon the sentiment expressed as being sincere by the ones who had it created would be more appropriate.

Thinking of Wallace with more power, would be like watching Platoon and having Sargent Barnes survive. In 1970 Americans were angry and frustrated and George Wallace would have been our Ahab.

Sardonic laughter

(09-27-2017 12:27 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:30 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 11:11 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 10:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You just don't come to Alabama and tell Alabamians how to vote, even if they voted for you. Big Luther might have had a closer race if Trump had not tried to tell us all how to vote. The robocall to my home just didn't sit well with me.

This^^^^

Way back in 1970, it appeared that George Wallace was in some danger of losing the Democrat primary to the incumbent (but unelected) Gov. Albert Brewer. President Nixon wanted nothing more than to see GCW lose, but he knew actively campaigning against him by an outsider would backfire. He privately and secretly steered a ton of $$$$ to Brewer, and it was almost enough, but not quite. Brewer won the primary 42-41 but a majority was needed for the nomination and Wallace won the run-off 51-49.

Wallace thereby continued to influence Alabama politics (much for the worse, IMHO) for an additional 16 years before finally retiring once and for all in 1986.

Knew a guy that had a Wallace for president coffee cup. On one side it had a picture of George Washington, father of our country. On the other side it had a picture of George Wallace, future of our country. I busted out laughing when I first saw it. Still makes me laugh when his name comes up.

I've known two governors (of Alabama), one more obliquely than the other. Wallace was the oblique one, although I knew one of his children better. The 1970 election that Native Georgian referenced was a particularly nasty one.

If not for Arthur Bremer's gunshots, it is quite possible that GCW would have had an even stronger voice, would have used it nationally, and would have used it stridently at exactly a time when it would have done the most damage. In many ways Bremer is a figure like Carl Weiss, a criminal gunman who for personal reasons shot a man which reflected the darker nature of humanity at a time when humanity was feeling darkly.

In 1972 heading into Maryland, Wallace was coming off of some surprising election results in Northern primaries and would have been a threat at the convention. So laughing at that coffee cup was not an appropriate response. Cringing when you look at it and reflecting upon the sentiment expressed as being sincere by the ones who had it created would be more appropriate.

Thinking of Wallace with more power, would be like watching Platoon and having Sargent Barnes survive. In 1970 Americans were angry and frustrated and George Wallace would have been our Ahab.

Sardonic laughter

That would be more appropriate, but still we are talking about a dead clever man who had one helluva of a "dirty tricks", or as they call it today "black ops" organization that worked for his machine.

An anecdote as to his nature would come from one of his early state campaigns at a time when he had no machine and when he and Lurleen were not invited to a key party given by money in Birmingham. Wallace didn't crash the party as that would have been uncouth. Instead, he stayed at home and had some friends call the party several times during the evening to have himself paged.

Even early on he realized the importance of having his name heard, even if he was not there in person.

He was calm under pressure and extremely calculating, and thrived upon being underestimated.

(09-27-2017 12:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:27 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:30 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 11:11 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  This^^^^

Way back in 1970, it appeared that George Wallace was in some danger of losing the Democrat primary to the incumbent (but unelected) Gov. Albert Brewer. President Nixon wanted nothing more than to see GCW lose, but he knew actively campaigning against him by an outsider would backfire. He privately and secretly steered a ton of $$$$ to Brewer, and it was almost enough, but not quite. Brewer won the primary 42-41 but a majority was needed for the nomination and Wallace won the run-off 51-49.

Wallace thereby continued to influence Alabama politics (much for the worse, IMHO) for an additional 16 years before finally retiring once and for all in 1986.

Knew a guy that had a Wallace for president coffee cup. On one side it had a picture of George Washington, father of our country. On the other side it had a picture of George Wallace, future of our country. I busted out laughing when I first saw it. Still makes me laugh when his name comes up.

I've known two governors (of Alabama), one more obliquely than the other. Wallace was the oblique one, although I knew one of his children better. The 1970 election that Native Georgian referenced was a particularly nasty one.

If not for Arthur Bremer's gunshots, it is quite possible that GCW would have had an even stronger voice, would have used it nationally, and would have used it stridently at exactly a time when it would have done the most damage. In many ways Bremer is a figure like Carl Weiss, a criminal gunman who for personal reasons shot a man which reflected the darker nature of humanity at a time when humanity was feeling darkly.

In 1972 heading into Maryland, Wallace was coming off of some surprising election results in Northern primaries and would have been a threat at the convention. So laughing at that coffee cup was not an appropriate response. Cringing when you look at it and reflecting upon the sentiment expressed as being sincere by the ones who had it created would be more appropriate.

Thinking of Wallace with more power, would be like watching Platoon and having Sargent Barnes survive. In 1970 Americans were angry and frustrated and George Wallace would have been our Ahab.

Sardonic laughter

That would be more appropriate, but still we are talking about a dead clever man who had one helluva of a "dirty tricks", or as they call it today "black ops" organization that worked for his machine.

An anecdote as to his nature would come from one of his early state campaigns at a time when he had no machine and when he and Lurleen were not invited to a key party given by money in Birmingham. Wallace didn't crash the party as that would have been uncouth. Instead, he stayed at home and had some friends call the party several times during the evening to have himself paged.

Even early on he realized the importance of having his name heard, even if he was not there in person.

He was calm under pressure and extremely calculating, and thrived upon being underestimated.

Brilliant.
That's next level stuff right there.

(09-27-2017 12:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:27 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:30 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 11:11 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  This^^^^

Way back in 1970, it appeared that George Wallace was in some danger of losing the Democrat primary to the incumbent (but unelected) Gov. Albert Brewer. President Nixon wanted nothing more than to see GCW lose, but he knew actively campaigning against him by an outsider would backfire. He privately and secretly steered a ton of $$$$ to Brewer, and it was almost enough, but not quite. Brewer won the primary 42-41 but a majority was needed for the nomination and Wallace won the run-off 51-49.

Wallace thereby continued to influence Alabama politics (much for the worse, IMHO) for an additional 16 years before finally retiring once and for all in 1986.

Knew a guy that had a Wallace for president coffee cup. On one side it had a picture of George Washington, father of our country. On the other side it had a picture of George Wallace, future of our country. I busted out laughing when I first saw it. Still makes me laugh when his name comes up.

I've known two governors (of Alabama), one more obliquely than the other. Wallace was the oblique one, although I knew one of his children better. The 1970 election that Native Georgian referenced was a particularly nasty one.

If not for Arthur Bremer's gunshots, it is quite possible that GCW would have had an even stronger voice, would have used it nationally, and would have used it stridently at exactly a time when it would have done the most damage. In many ways Bremer is a figure like Carl Weiss, a criminal gunman who for personal reasons shot a man which reflected the darker nature of humanity at a time when humanity was feeling darkly.

In 1972 heading into Maryland, Wallace was coming off of some surprising election results in Northern primaries and would have been a threat at the convention. So laughing at that coffee cup was not an appropriate response. Cringing when you look at it and reflecting upon the sentiment expressed as being sincere by the ones who had it created would be more appropriate.

Thinking of Wallace with more power, would be like watching Platoon and having Sargent Barnes survive. In 1970 Americans were angry and frustrated and George Wallace would have been our Ahab.

Sardonic laughter

That would be more appropriate, but still we are talking about a dead clever man who had one helluva of a "dirty tricks", or as they call it today "black ops" organization that worked for his machine.

An anecdote as to his nature would come from one of his early state campaigns at a time when he had no machine and when he and Lurleen were not invited to a key party given by money in Birmingham. Wallace didn't crash the party as that would have been uncouth. Instead, he stayed at home and had some friends call the party several times during the evening to have himself paged.

Even early on he realized the importance of having his name heard, even if he was not there in person.

He was calm under pressure and extremely calculating, and thrived upon being underestimated.

One of the investigators a friend of mine uses was a Wallace bodyguard and the stories the man tell range from the hilarious to the extraordinary.

For better or worse, Wallace was a master politician.

(09-27-2017 01:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:27 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:30 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Knew a guy that had a Wallace for president coffee cup. On one side it had a picture of George Washington, father of our country. On the other side it had a picture of George Wallace, future of our country. I busted out laughing when I first saw it. Still makes me laugh when his name comes up.

I've known two governors (of Alabama), one more obliquely than the other. Wallace was the oblique one, although I knew one of his children better. The 1970 election that Native Georgian referenced was a particularly nasty one.

If not for Arthur Bremer's gunshots, it is quite possible that GCW would have had an even stronger voice, would have used it nationally, and would have used it stridently at exactly a time when it would have done the most damage. In many ways Bremer is a figure like Carl Weiss, a criminal gunman who for personal reasons shot a man which reflected the darker nature of humanity at a time when humanity was feeling darkly.

In 1972 heading into Maryland, Wallace was coming off of some surprising election results in Northern primaries and would have been a threat at the convention. So laughing at that coffee cup was not an appropriate response. Cringing when you look at it and reflecting upon the sentiment expressed as being sincere by the ones who had it created would be more appropriate.

Thinking of Wallace with more power, would be like watching Platoon and having Sargent Barnes survive. In 1970 Americans were angry and frustrated and George Wallace would have been our Ahab.

Sardonic laughter

That would be more appropriate, but still we are talking about a dead clever man who had one helluva of a "dirty tricks", or as they call it today "black ops" organization that worked for his machine.

An anecdote as to his nature would come from one of his early state campaigns at a time when he had no machine and when he and Lurleen were not invited to a key party given by money in Birmingham. Wallace didn't crash the party as that would have been uncouth. Instead, he stayed at home and had some friends call the party several times during the evening to have himself paged.

Even early on he realized the importance of having his name heard, even if he was not there in person.

He was calm under pressure and extremely calculating, and thrived upon being underestimated.

One of the investigators a friend of mine uses was a Wallace bodyguard and the stories the man tell range from the hilarious to the extraordinary.

For better or worse, Wallace was a master politician.

Only Wallace could go from running as a staunch segregationist to carrying the black vote. The man knew what he was doing.

(09-27-2017 02:25 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:27 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I've known two governors (of Alabama), one more obliquely than the other. Wallace was the oblique one, although I knew one of his children better. The 1970 election that Native Georgian referenced was a particularly nasty one.

If not for Arthur Bremer's gunshots, it is quite possible that GCW would have had an even stronger voice, would have used it nationally, and would have used it stridently at exactly a time when it would have done the most damage. In many ways Bremer is a figure like Carl Weiss, a criminal gunman who for personal reasons shot a man which reflected the darker nature of humanity at a time when humanity was feeling darkly.

In 1972 heading into Maryland, Wallace was coming off of some surprising election results in Northern primaries and would have been a threat at the convention. So laughing at that coffee cup was not an appropriate response. Cringing when you look at it and reflecting upon the sentiment expressed as being sincere by the ones who had it created would be more appropriate.

Thinking of Wallace with more power, would be like watching Platoon and having Sargent Barnes survive. In 1970 Americans were angry and frustrated and George Wallace would have been our Ahab.

Sardonic laughter

That would be more appropriate, but still we are talking about a dead clever man who had one helluva of a "dirty tricks", or as they call it today "black ops" organization that worked for his machine.

An anecdote as to his nature would come from one of his early state campaigns at a time when he had no machine and when he and Lurleen were not invited to a key party given by money in Birmingham. Wallace didn't crash the party as that would have been uncouth. Instead, he stayed at home and had some friends call the party several times during the evening to have himself paged.

Even early on he realized the importance of having his name heard, even if he was not there in person.

He was calm under pressure and extremely calculating, and thrived upon being underestimated.

One of the investigators a friend of mine uses was a Wallace bodyguard and the stories the man tell range from the hilarious to the extraordinary.

For better or worse, Wallace was a master politician.

Only Wallace could go from running as a staunch segregationist to carrying the black vote. The man knew what he was doing.

It is a form of brilliance. But to pull it off you have to be consistently focused on and committed to only one thing, self.

(09-26-2017 08:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 08:43 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 08:38 PM)Claw Wrote:  This is fabulous. The Trump voters cannot even be controlled by Trump. The Republican establishment just got spanked again.

That's because we voted for something bigger than Trump.

I'm a millennial and I've never lived in an America that wasn't in decline or controlled by a small group.

I voted for America, for nationalism, and for a populist future.

The Reagan generation got you covered

Have the '84 campaign poster, much the same, framed and up in the garage.

Morning in America

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/353...-race-poll

Moore leads Jones by just 6 percent in the first Alabama senate poll for the December vote. I doubt it will be that close but maybe big Luther Strange puts his support behind Jones and keeps it close. Probably not but I'll keep hoping for a miracle.

(09-26-2017 12:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Just voted for the person that would piss democrats off the worst

From a party that had candidates I would vote for to a party I vote to piss off.

Well done democrats

Logic of a troll.

(09-29-2017 02:51 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/353...-race-poll

Moore leads Jones by just 6 percent in the first Alabama senate poll for the December vote. I doubt it will be that close but maybe big Luther Strange puts his support behind Jones and keeps it close. Probably not but I'll keep hoping for a miracle.

Oh good! Cant wait for mule face Maddow to get on tv and smugly state that the "Democrat is tied in Alabama of all places" only to see said Democrat lose by double digits.

(09-26-2017 12:38 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Excellent motives for voting Shere. Instead of being the captain of your own ship and making decisions for yourself it's always the best policy to do something that will make strangers the maddest. Silver linings and all. I can see why making others miserable to make them as miserable as you just feels right. Makes perfect sense.

Mach, don't you understand? Making "those people" maddest is what conservatism is all about. It starts with having a person to hate and then demonizing them.

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