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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
(09-28-2017 03:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Maybe this is my cynical side coming out... but pretty much every school has determined that the risk is worth the reward. The chances of finding NCAA violations at EVERY Division I program (much less the power programs) is pretty high if you dig enough. Every Division I school is living in a glass house in today's world. That's the byproduct of the NCAA pretending that these athletes are amateurs and driving would normally happen in an open free market where people are paid what they're actually worth in the marketplace into an underground economy. Top recruits get offered money by shoe reps, coaches and street agents along with being susceptible to other nefarious interests (e.g. gamblers) because they're very clearly worth more than the value of a scholarship to these schools in terms of ticket sales, donations, TV exposure, etc.

There was a massive point-shaving scandal back in the 1950s. There was the SMU death penalty outcome in the 1980s. There have been countless NCAA recruiting violations that have touched more schools than not over the past several decades. This isn't even a recent phenomenon with all of the TV money that has washed over college sports: these top athletes have ALWAYS been underpaid (as you can't get a lower salary than $0) and, as a result, they have ALWAYS been easy prey for those that can provide them with income that's more in line with what they're actually worth in the marketplace.

Until that economic imbalance is fixed for the PLAYERS, we'll always see scandals like this one. When athletes aren't getting paid what they would be worth in the free market, they're going to constantly get offered ways to bridge that gap by boosters, gamblers, coaches and agents (who in turn are trying to parlay that money given to players into financial gains for themselves).

Yeah but even if we paid players 100k a year they would still be offered even more by boosters and shoe companies looking to gain an advantage.
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
Agreed, because college athletes will never be paid anywhere close to what they could potentially make in the pros, even assuming pay for college players is approved one day.

Every big school cheats to some degree. Because every big school is nothing but a large collection of individuals, some of whom are inevitably going to have questionable morals. Never will be able to prevent it, or deter it via punishments.
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
(09-28-2017 03:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Blood-thirsty fans just need to get it through their heads that the death penalty simply doesn't exist in practicality for the NCAA anymore (even if it exists on paper). It didn't get applied to Penn State. It didn't get applied to Baylor. It will NOT get applied to UNC, Louisville or any other school going forward. We'll see the NCAA allow players to get paid outright before we see another school get the death penalty.

It would be pretty ironic especially for SMU if it plays out that way.
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(09-29-2017 10:50 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Maybe this is my cynical side coming out... but pretty much every school has determined that the risk is worth the reward. The chances of finding NCAA violations at EVERY Division I program (much less the power programs) is pretty high if you dig enough. Every Division I school is living in a glass house in today's world. That's the byproduct of the NCAA pretending that these athletes are amateurs and driving would normally happen in an open free market where people are paid what they're actually worth in the marketplace into an underground economy. Top recruits get offered money by shoe reps, coaches and street agents along with being susceptible to other nefarious interests (e.g. gamblers) because they're very clearly worth more than the value of a scholarship to these schools in terms of ticket sales, donations, TV exposure, etc.

There was a massive point-shaving scandal back in the 1950s. There was the SMU death penalty outcome in the 1980s. There have been countless NCAA recruiting violations that have touched more schools than not over the past several decades. This isn't even a recent phenomenon with all of the TV money that has washed over college sports: these top athletes have ALWAYS been underpaid (as you can't get a lower salary than $0) and, as a result, they have ALWAYS been easy prey for those that can provide them with income that's more in line with what they're actually worth in the marketplace.

Until that economic imbalance is fixed for the PLAYERS, we'll always see scandals like this one. When athletes aren't getting paid what they would be worth in the free market, they're going to constantly get offered ways to bridge that gap by boosters, gamblers, coaches and agents (who in turn are trying to parlay that money given to players into financial gains for themselves).

Yeah but even if we paid players 100k a year they would still be offered even more by boosters and shoe companies looking to gain an advantage.

Exactly right!
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(09-29-2017 10:50 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Maybe this is my cynical side coming out... but pretty much every school has determined that the risk is worth the reward. The chances of finding NCAA violations at EVERY Division I program (much less the power programs) is pretty high if you dig enough. Every Division I school is living in a glass house in today's world. That's the byproduct of the NCAA pretending that these athletes are amateurs and driving would normally happen in an open free market where people are paid what they're actually worth in the marketplace into an underground economy. Top recruits get offered money by shoe reps, coaches and street agents along with being susceptible to other nefarious interests (e.g. gamblers) because they're very clearly worth more than the value of a scholarship to these schools in terms of ticket sales, donations, TV exposure, etc.

There was a massive point-shaving scandal back in the 1950s. There was the SMU death penalty outcome in the 1980s. There have been countless NCAA recruiting violations that have touched more schools than not over the past several decades. This isn't even a recent phenomenon with all of the TV money that has washed over college sports: these top athletes have ALWAYS been underpaid (as you can't get a lower salary than $0) and, as a result, they have ALWAYS been easy prey for those that can provide them with income that's more in line with what they're actually worth in the marketplace.

Until that economic imbalance is fixed for the PLAYERS, we'll always see scandals like this one. When athletes aren't getting paid what they would be worth in the free market, they're going to constantly get offered ways to bridge that gap by boosters, gamblers, coaches and agents (who in turn are trying to parlay that money given to players into financial gains for themselves).

Yeah but even if we paid players 100k a year they would still be offered even more by boosters and shoe companies looking to gain an advantage.

True. But that is way sports would be better off if gifted players born for the professional level had an option to go pro right out of high school.
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(09-29-2017 01:00 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  
(09-29-2017 10:50 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Maybe this is my cynical side coming out... but pretty much every school has determined that the risk is worth the reward. The chances of finding NCAA violations at EVERY Division I program (much less the power programs) is pretty high if you dig enough. Every Division I school is living in a glass house in today's world. That's the byproduct of the NCAA pretending that these athletes are amateurs and driving would normally happen in an open free market where people are paid what they're actually worth in the marketplace into an underground economy. Top recruits get offered money by shoe reps, coaches and street agents along with being susceptible to other nefarious interests (e.g. gamblers) because they're very clearly worth more than the value of a scholarship to these schools in terms of ticket sales, donations, TV exposure, etc.

There was a massive point-shaving scandal back in the 1950s. There was the SMU death penalty outcome in the 1980s. There have been countless NCAA recruiting violations that have touched more schools than not over the past several decades. This isn't even a recent phenomenon with all of the TV money that has washed over college sports: these top athletes have ALWAYS been underpaid (as you can't get a lower salary than $0) and, as a result, they have ALWAYS been easy prey for those that can provide them with income that's more in line with what they're actually worth in the marketplace.

Until that economic imbalance is fixed for the PLAYERS, we'll always see scandals like this one. When athletes aren't getting paid what they would be worth in the free market, they're going to constantly get offered ways to bridge that gap by boosters, gamblers, coaches and agents (who in turn are trying to parlay that money given to players into financial gains for themselves).

Yeah but even if we paid players 100k a year they would still be offered even more by boosters and shoe companies looking to gain an advantage.

True. But that is way sports would be better off if gifted players born for the professional level had an option to go pro right out of high school.

Great convince the pros that thats a good idea since they are the ones with the rule saying they can't. HS kids jumping right into the pros hurt both leagues. For every lebron and kg there were hundreds of kids names you never even heard of who declared and then nothing. The players association doesn't want HS kids jumping right in since they push out veterans who can actually contribute and don't need years if development.
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(09-29-2017 04:53 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-29-2017 01:00 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  
(09-29-2017 10:50 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Maybe this is my cynical side coming out... but pretty much every school has determined that the risk is worth the reward. The chances of finding NCAA violations at EVERY Division I program (much less the power programs) is pretty high if you dig enough. Every Division I school is living in a glass house in today's world. That's the byproduct of the NCAA pretending that these athletes are amateurs and driving would normally happen in an open free market where people are paid what they're actually worth in the marketplace into an underground economy. Top recruits get offered money by shoe reps, coaches and street agents along with being susceptible to other nefarious interests (e.g. gamblers) because they're very clearly worth more than the value of a scholarship to these schools in terms of ticket sales, donations, TV exposure, etc.

There was a massive point-shaving scandal back in the 1950s. There was the SMU death penalty outcome in the 1980s. There have been countless NCAA recruiting violations that have touched more schools than not over the past several decades. This isn't even a recent phenomenon with all of the TV money that has washed over college sports: these top athletes have ALWAYS been underpaid (as you can't get a lower salary than $0) and, as a result, they have ALWAYS been easy prey for those that can provide them with income that's more in line with what they're actually worth in the marketplace.

Until that economic imbalance is fixed for the PLAYERS, we'll always see scandals like this one. When athletes aren't getting paid what they would be worth in the free market, they're going to constantly get offered ways to bridge that gap by boosters, gamblers, coaches and agents (who in turn are trying to parlay that money given to players into financial gains for themselves).

Yeah but even if we paid players 100k a year they would still be offered even more by boosters and shoe companies looking to gain an advantage.

True. But that is way sports would be better off if gifted players born for the professional level had an option to go pro right out of high school.

Great convince the pros that thats a good idea since they are the ones with the rule saying they can't. HS kids jumping right into the pros hurt both leagues. For every lebron and kg there were hundreds of kids names you never even heard of who declared and then nothing. The players association doesn't want HS kids jumping right in since they push out veterans who can actually contribute and don't need years if development.

I agree it's not great, but whose job is it to tell adults what's best for them? If somebody is dumb enough to ignore their outlook on the draft and declare, then they're too dumb for a free ride to college.
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(09-29-2017 05:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(09-29-2017 04:53 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-29-2017 01:00 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  
(09-29-2017 10:50 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Maybe this is my cynical side coming out... but pretty much every school has determined that the risk is worth the reward. The chances of finding NCAA violations at EVERY Division I program (much less the power programs) is pretty high if you dig enough. Every Division I school is living in a glass house in today's world. That's the byproduct of the NCAA pretending that these athletes are amateurs and driving would normally happen in an open free market where people are paid what they're actually worth in the marketplace into an underground economy. Top recruits get offered money by shoe reps, coaches and street agents along with being susceptible to other nefarious interests (e.g. gamblers) because they're very clearly worth more than the value of a scholarship to these schools in terms of ticket sales, donations, TV exposure, etc.

There was a massive point-shaving scandal back in the 1950s. There was the SMU death penalty outcome in the 1980s. There have been countless NCAA recruiting violations that have touched more schools than not over the past several decades. This isn't even a recent phenomenon with all of the TV money that has washed over college sports: these top athletes have ALWAYS been underpaid (as you can't get a lower salary than $0) and, as a result, they have ALWAYS been easy prey for those that can provide them with income that's more in line with what they're actually worth in the marketplace.

Until that economic imbalance is fixed for the PLAYERS, we'll always see scandals like this one. When athletes aren't getting paid what they would be worth in the free market, they're going to constantly get offered ways to bridge that gap by boosters, gamblers, coaches and agents (who in turn are trying to parlay that money given to players into financial gains for themselves).

Yeah but even if we paid players 100k a year they would still be offered even more by boosters and shoe companies looking to gain an advantage.

True. But that is way sports would be better off if gifted players born for the professional level had an option to go pro right out of high school.

Great convince the pros that thats a good idea since they are the ones with the rule saying they can't. HS kids jumping right into the pros hurt both leagues. For every lebron and kg there were hundreds of kids names you never even heard of who declared and then nothing. The players association doesn't want HS kids jumping right in since they push out veterans who can actually contribute and don't need years if development.

I agree it's not great, but whose job is it to tell adults what's best for them? If somebody is dumb enough to ignore their outlook on the draft and declare, then they're too dumb for a free ride to college.

Except the NBA, NFL and MLB who do tell them that.
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(09-28-2017 11:31 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Blood-thirsty fans just need to get it through their heads that the death penalty simply doesn't exist in practicality for the NCAA anymore (even if it exists on paper). It didn't get applied to Penn State. It didn't get applied to Baylor. It will NOT get applied to UNC, Louisville or any other school going forward. We'll see the NCAA allow players to get paid outright before we see another school get the death penalty.

People need to understand what the 'death penalty' actually is. It's actuallly called the 'repeat violators clause'. It's for repeat violators. Meaning already on probation. UNC won't get it, Baylor won't get it, and Penn St didn't get it because they weren't 'eligible' for that penalty. They weren't already on probation, although I'm sure there were other reasons as well.

I doubt it gets handed out again, so in that I agree. But IF it ever were, it's going to be UofL. This is like an example story in the NCAA handbook. On probation, caught on tape with a staff member saying he knows they have to be careful about breaking the rules because they are on probation, then leaping right into breaking the rules. Not sure it comes to it, but it's definitely a real possibility for UofL, but it is not for UNC.

This. Probation means nothing unless Louisville gets a much bigger penalty than Penn State, UNC, and Baylor.
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(09-28-2017 02:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I don't think we will ever see the death penalty again.

Well ECU is already on a death spiral, so Death penalty won't hurt very much.

03-idea Someone has to pay for UNC infractions. 05-mafia
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
If the NCAA decides to start paying players, then then there is no need for them to continue to offer athletic scholarships to players. There is over $2.2 billion spent annually on athletic scholarships on a yearly basis ($4.4 billion is spent on academic scholarships and financial aid). Below is the value, per sport, of an athletic scholarships:

http://www.scholarshipstats.com/average-...hlete.html

Fairly and equitably paying student-athletes would bankrupt schools, simply because you cannot pick and choose which athletes to compensate due to Title IX.

IMO, it would be easier to tighten legislation and enforcement rather than bringing down the entire establishment. It starts with setting the expectation for repeated and major rule violators that there is only one action to take: the death penalty. For as bad as it set back SMU, it also negatively affected the SWC (which also was not without its rule breakers). The way to create more enforcement is through the individual conferences - and hold the members accountable. Managing 10/12/14 schools is a lot easier than managing hundreds of programs.
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
The time needs to be worse than the crime. Until it is, things like this will continue
I don't have all the facts but based on what I have heard IMO the punishment for schools such as UNC and Louisville should be something like the following, based upon how severe the infractions were
termination of entire coaching staff of program in question including the AD
3-5 year ban on post season play for that program. Athletes not directly involved option to transfer without penalty remain at school (on team or as regular student ) any scholarships would continue
if AD is found to be involved somehow 1 year ban for ENTIRE athletic department on post season play
No NCAA sponsored events/tournies (other than regular season games/meets) for x years
if state/federal or local laws broken : prosecution
mandatory fines
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It's amazing just how little the public knows about just how badly Chapel Hill has been cheating.

In addition to the decades of fake classes that go back to at least the late 80s (by the U's own admission to their accreditation agency), there have been numerous other poorly reported scandals, some of which have cute nicknames, like "wheels for heels". I'm still in shock that nothing has happened regarding the apparent Pell Grant fraud, the Learning Disability fraud scheme (run by Fats Thomas whose girlfriend falsely certified dozens of athletes as LD), or the program pumping ADD pills into its athletes as performance enhancers. All of this probably sounds ridiculous, but there is documentation of all of it.

The academic scandal was only partially unveiled by the NCAA (UNC managed to cover much of it up), but that was just the tip of the iceberg. The entire UNC AD is a complete sham, as are all of their "successes".

They deserve the death penalty for the academic scandal alone (and please keep in mind, they no longer deny any of it - instead they are trying to weasel out of it via technicality), but they definitely deserve it as a penalty for all the other crap they did.

And after they finally get their comeuppance, we can start targeting all of Bama's players driving $100k BMWs.
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(09-30-2017 01:59 PM)Artifice Wrote:  It's amazing just how little the public knows about just how badly Chapel Hill has been cheating.

In addition to the decades of fake classes that go back to at least the late 80s (by the U's own admission to their accreditation agency), there have been numerous other poorly reported scandals, some of which have cute nicknames, like "wheels for heels". I'm still in shock that nothing has happened regarding the apparent Pell Grant fraud, the Learning Disability fraud scheme (run by Fats Thomas whose girlfriend falsely certified dozens of athletes as LD), or the program pumping ADD pills into its athletes as performance enhancers. All of this probably sounds ridiculous, but there is documentation of all of it.

The academic scandal was only partially unveiled by the NCAA (UNC managed to cover much of it up), but that was just the tip of the iceberg. The entire UNC AD is a complete sham, as are all of their "successes".

They deserve the death penalty for the academic scandal alone (and please keep in mind, they no longer deny any of it - instead they are trying to weasel out of it via technicality), but they definitely deserve it as a penalty for all the other crap they did.

And after they finally get their comeuppance, we can start targeting all of Bama's players driving $100k BMWs.

Fake classes? Those classes were scheduled by the University, had a syllabus, met regularly, were taught by the Dean of the Department and required a term paper. The only thing irregular was that the papers were graded by the Dean's secretary instead of a TA.

Keep trying.
Everything first claimed by Mary Willingham has been debunked.
7 investigations and nothing.
The only thing that Carolina will get from the NCAA is an apology.
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(09-30-2017 03:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-30-2017 01:59 PM)Artifice Wrote:  It's amazing just how little the public knows about just how badly Chapel Hill has been cheating.

In addition to the decades of fake classes that go back to at least the late 80s (by the U's own admission to their accreditation agency), there have been numerous other poorly reported scandals, some of which have cute nicknames, like "wheels for heels". I'm still in shock that nothing has happened regarding the apparent Pell Grant fraud, the Learning Disability fraud scheme (run by Fats Thomas whose girlfriend falsely certified dozens of athletes as LD), or the program pumping ADD pills into its athletes as performance enhancers. All of this probably sounds ridiculous, but there is documentation of all of it.

The academic scandal was only partially unveiled by the NCAA (UNC managed to cover much of it up), but that was just the tip of the iceberg. The entire UNC AD is a complete sham, as are all of their "successes".

They deserve the death penalty for the academic scandal alone (and please keep in mind, they no longer deny any of it - instead they are trying to weasel out of it via technicality), but they definitely deserve it as a penalty for all the other crap they did.

And after they finally get their comeuppance, we can start targeting all of Bama's players driving $100k BMWs.

Fake classes? Those classes were scheduled by the University, had a syllabus, met regularly, were taught by the Dean of the Department and required a term paper. The only thing irregular was that the papers were graded by the Dean's secretary instead of a TA.

Keep trying.
Everything first claimed by Mary Willingham has been debunked.
7 investigations and nothing.
The only thing that Carolina will get from the NCAA is an apology.

You're out of your ******* mind. Just how deep in the sand can UNC CHeats fanbase collectively shove their heads?

Bad news for you, the NCAA dropped a 3rd notice of allegations, reinstating the specific allegations against football and men's basketball, and the COI said it was sick of your stalling tactics. FIVE LEVEL ONE INFRACTIONS. They are meeting in a few months, and your program will be sanctioned. Heavily. Get the lube out buddy.

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2016...a-benefits

That's from your own student newspaper *******.
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(09-29-2017 04:53 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-29-2017 01:00 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  
(09-29-2017 10:50 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Maybe this is my cynical side coming out... but pretty much every school has determined that the risk is worth the reward. The chances of finding NCAA violations at EVERY Division I program (much less the power programs) is pretty high if you dig enough. Every Division I school is living in a glass house in today's world. That's the byproduct of the NCAA pretending that these athletes are amateurs and driving would normally happen in an open free market where people are paid what they're actually worth in the marketplace into an underground economy. Top recruits get offered money by shoe reps, coaches and street agents along with being susceptible to other nefarious interests (e.g. gamblers) because they're very clearly worth more than the value of a scholarship to these schools in terms of ticket sales, donations, TV exposure, etc.

There was a massive point-shaving scandal back in the 1950s. There was the SMU death penalty outcome in the 1980s. There have been countless NCAA recruiting violations that have touched more schools than not over the past several decades. This isn't even a recent phenomenon with all of the TV money that has washed over college sports: these top athletes have ALWAYS been underpaid (as you can't get a lower salary than $0) and, as a result, they have ALWAYS been easy prey for those that can provide them with income that's more in line with what they're actually worth in the marketplace.

Until that economic imbalance is fixed for the PLAYERS, we'll always see scandals like this one. When athletes aren't getting paid what they would be worth in the free market, they're going to constantly get offered ways to bridge that gap by boosters, gamblers, coaches and agents (who in turn are trying to parlay that money given to players into financial gains for themselves).

Yeah but even if we paid players 100k a year they would still be offered even more by boosters and shoe companies looking to gain an advantage.

True. But that is way sports would be better off if gifted players born for the professional level had an option to go pro right out of high school.

Great convince the pros that thats a good idea since they are the ones with the rule saying they can't. HS kids jumping right into the pros hurt both leagues. For every lebron and kg there were hundreds of kids names you never even heard of who declared and then nothing. The players association doesn't want HS kids jumping right in since they push out veterans who can actually contribute and don't need years if development.
The NBA literally has a system in place to handle that sort of thing. Even in the name it has the words "Development League." This is a lack of willingness on their part, since the money and infrastructure are both in place for it. The NBDL could be like the CHL is to hockey if the NBA really wanted it to be, all done in-house so the kids could have the kind of experience that the NBA thinks the NCAA will give them. They just don't want to since the NCAA's provided such a good gravy train for them.
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Yes, no question.
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
(09-30-2017 08:48 PM)Artifice Wrote:  
(09-30-2017 03:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-30-2017 01:59 PM)Artifice Wrote:  It's amazing just how little the public knows about just how badly Chapel Hill has been cheating.

In addition to the decades of fake classes that go back to at least the late 80s (by the U's own admission to their accreditation agency), there have been numerous other poorly reported scandals, some of which have cute nicknames, like "wheels for heels". I'm still in shock that nothing has happened regarding the apparent Pell Grant fraud, the Learning Disability fraud scheme (run by Fats Thomas whose girlfriend falsely certified dozens of athletes as LD), or the program pumping ADD pills into its athletes as performance enhancers. All of this probably sounds ridiculous, but there is documentation of all of it.

The academic scandal was only partially unveiled by the NCAA (UNC managed to cover much of it up), but that was just the tip of the iceberg. The entire UNC AD is a complete sham, as are all of their "successes".

They deserve the death penalty for the academic scandal alone (and please keep in mind, they no longer deny any of it - instead they are trying to weasel out of it via technicality), but they definitely deserve it as a penalty for all the other crap they did.

And after they finally get their comeuppance, we can start targeting all of Bama's players driving $100k BMWs.

Fake classes? Those classes were scheduled by the University, had a syllabus, met regularly, were taught by the Dean of the Department and required a term paper. The only thing irregular was that the papers were graded by the Dean's secretary instead of a TA.

Keep trying.
Everything first claimed by Mary Willingham has been debunked.
7 investigations and nothing.
The only thing that Carolina will get from the NCAA is an apology.

You're out of your ******* mind. Just how deep in the sand can UNC CHeats fanbase collectively shove their heads?

Bad news for you, the NCAA dropped a 3rd notice of allegations, reinstating the specific allegations against football and men's basketball, and the COI said it was sick of your stalling tactics. FIVE LEVEL ONE INFRACTIONS. They are meeting in a few months, and your program will be sanctioned. Heavily. Get the lube out buddy.

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2016...a-benefits

That's from your own student newspaper *******.

I like that you read the Daily Tar Heel; keep up the support!
10-01-2017 07:36 AM
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
(10-01-2017 07:36 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(09-30-2017 08:48 PM)Artifice Wrote:  
(09-30-2017 03:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-30-2017 01:59 PM)Artifice Wrote:  It's amazing just how little the public knows about just how badly Chapel Hill has been cheating.

In addition to the decades of fake classes that go back to at least the late 80s (by the U's own admission to their accreditation agency), there have been numerous other poorly reported scandals, some of which have cute nicknames, like "wheels for heels". I'm still in shock that nothing has happened regarding the apparent Pell Grant fraud, the Learning Disability fraud scheme (run by Fats Thomas whose girlfriend falsely certified dozens of athletes as LD), or the program pumping ADD pills into its athletes as performance enhancers. All of this probably sounds ridiculous, but there is documentation of all of it.

The academic scandal was only partially unveiled by the NCAA (UNC managed to cover much of it up), but that was just the tip of the iceberg. The entire UNC AD is a complete sham, as are all of their "successes".

They deserve the death penalty for the academic scandal alone (and please keep in mind, they no longer deny any of it - instead they are trying to weasel out of it via technicality), but they definitely deserve it as a penalty for all the other crap they did.

And after they finally get their comeuppance, we can start targeting all of Bama's players driving $100k BMWs.

Fake classes? Those classes were scheduled by the University, had a syllabus, met regularly, were taught by the Dean of the Department and required a term paper. The only thing irregular was that the papers were graded by the Dean's secretary instead of a TA.

Keep trying.
Everything first claimed by Mary Willingham has been debunked.
7 investigations and nothing.
The only thing that Carolina will get from the NCAA is an apology.

You're out of your ******* mind. Just how deep in the sand can UNC CHeats fanbase collectively shove their heads?

Bad news for you, the NCAA dropped a 3rd notice of allegations, reinstating the specific allegations against football and men's basketball, and the COI said it was sick of your stalling tactics. FIVE LEVEL ONE INFRACTIONS. They are meeting in a few months, and your program will be sanctioned. Heavily. Get the lube out buddy.

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2016...a-benefits

That's from your own student newspaper *******.

I like that you read the Daily Tar Heel; keep up the support!

Cute reply. Now tell me how UNC Chapel Hill does not deserve the death penalty?? The NC state legislature would have shut down any other state university athletic department that participated in this fraud. The NCAA wouldn't even have had to worry about it. I still feel that karma is a B&*$#@ and UNC-CH will get it at some point.
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