(09-29-2017 08:25 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  The ONLY way to fix the issue is to pay the players according to talent. A free market. Whenever there is demand for a product, an athlete's talent in this case, and a governing body outlaws it or in this case won't allow for fair market compensation there will always be a black market. The NCAA knowingly creates this black market to protect the fairytale of "amateur" athletics. If people would just stop pretending to care whether or not these kids are paid there wouldn't be an issue.

Actually, I think the answer is to go the other direction. Clamp down on paying athletes more than they do now. Funnel players who are not college students to a pro development league (let them go NBA out of high school, or go pro at any moment in their careers) and let the college run without the 4 and 5 star athletes.

(09-29-2017 12:33 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 11:01 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  Let kids go pro after HS; most have neither the desire nor aptitude for collegiate-level academic work. There is no justification for not allowing these young people a chance to profit from their marketable skills, but they should be profiting in a professional sports league, not a university. Expand the D-league. Make it a baseball-like system. Then do the same for football.

Who's stopping them? There is no law that says they can't go and make money.

Maybe you can help me here, but I thought the NBA had a rule against signing/drafting players until after they played a year of college ball. This forces kids who aren't college material (at least, not most of them) to participate in the charade of pretending to be a "student-athlete" just to maintain their future professional viability.

(09-29-2017 12:59 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 08:25 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  The ONLY way to fix the issue is to pay the players according to talent. A free market. Whenever there is demand for a product, an athlete's talent in this case, and a governing body outlaws it or in this case won't allow for fair market compensation there will always be a black market. The NCAA knowingly creates this black market to protect the fairytale of "amateur" athletics. If people would just stop pretending to care whether or not these kids are paid there wouldn't be an issue.

Actually, I think the answer is to go the other direction. Clamp down on paying athletes more than they do now. Funnel players who are not college students to a pro development league (let them go NBA out of high school, or go pro at any moment in their careers) and let the college run without the 4 and 5 star athletes.

Right. The whole premise of college athletics is that the competition is supposed to be conducted by students. I'm all for non-academically-inclined athletes to make as much money as they can, but they shouldn't have to pretend to be college students to do so, nor should actual college debase themselves by being a party to the fraud.

(09-28-2017 02:44 PM)jarr Wrote:  And maybe the rest of NCAA...

1) Reinstate the freshman rule, not being elegible first year for Varsity.

2) Don't allow AAU teams to be sponsored by apparel/shoe companies. Any player coming from one of this teams in inelegible.

3) Take away conference incentives. Everybody should be able to succeed on their own merit. This one is a little trickier, and I admit to not knowing a lot about this particular issue. I'm just saying it sucks how much he advantaged schools like Rutgers and UL have over us for doing absolutely nothing. This is more football than basketball.

1 and 2 make perfect sense. 3 will not work.

I also would like the NBA to adopt the MLB rules.

(09-29-2017 01:03 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 12:33 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 11:01 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  Let kids go pro after HS; most have neither the desire nor aptitude for collegiate-level academic work. There is no justification for not allowing these young people a chance to profit from their marketable skills, but they should be profiting in a professional sports league, not a university. Expand the D-league. Make it a baseball-like system. Then do the same for football.

Who's stopping them? There is no law that says they can't go and make money.

Maybe you can help me here, but I thought the NBA had a rule against signing/drafting players until after they played a year of college ball. This forces kids who aren't college material (at least, not most of them) to participate in the charade of pretending to be a "student-athlete" just to maintain their future professional viability.

Well that's the NBA. There are other options, if those other options start taking business away from the NBA, they may rethink their one and done policy. That's how the free market works.

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Well that's the NBA. There are other options, if those other options start taking business away from the NBA, they may rethink their one and done policy. That's how the free market works.
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Maybe you can help me - why do the colleges work with the NBA to create this situation? The basic rationale for the NBA is that they would like to see high school kids play at least one (or more) years of college ball to get a better handle on their skill level. I'm not sure, if the NBA retains its current rules, how the colleges avoid the one and done situation with respect to 5 (or whatever) star kids. I know the NCAA is supposedly penalizing schools with poor graduation/retention rates, but the simple solution to that is for the schools to keep the kids eligible until they leave. If the NCAA was really serious they would figure out a way to crack done hard on the "one and done" schools.

Why is it always men's basketball that is the problem child? From the point shaving scandals back in the 50's/60's to today, periodically there is some sort of scandal involving men's college basketball. I understand how difficult it can be - but there has to serious alternatives to this situation, yeah, yeah, I know there is a lot of meny involved, but come on, while there are some problems with football, it's nothing like what goes on with hoops, and doesn't everyone claim that it is football that "drives the bus".

And they do get "paid." I know what I paid for my degrees, my daughter's 3 (Ivy League) degrees, and both my son's 2. If they aren't there to get an education then they shouldn't be there at all, I have no sympathy for them - there are, in deed, alternatives, whether the NBA development league, overseas, or whatever. But it's crap that the smartest people in the world can't figure out a way to put 5 guys on a court with a ball against 5 other guys, in a college setting, without the FBI, police, and assorted criminal investigators constantly getting involved. College athletics is supposedly to augment the college experience for the athletes and the student body - everyone seems to have lost touch with that idea and athletics have come to dominate the university. I have season tickets and attend to enjoy the game and support my "school." but I don't need 5 NBA style players to make it fun.

Off my soap box - and sorry for the rant.

(09-29-2017 03:06 PM)richardk Wrote:  If the NCAA was really serious they would figure out a way to crack done hard on the "one and done" schools.

Reinstate the freshman rule. Problem solved immediately. Give them a 5th year of elegibility if they need it, but if they really want to kill the 1 and done era, do that and the problem is fixed.

They need to complete at least a year of that criminal justice program before they can play...

After reading those articles linked in the thread- it comes off like an episode of Fargo or Better Call Saul. Except in real life the guys are way dumber. Let's meet in a hotel in Vegas. Inconspicuous. Do they get a text on their phone that says "pollos" when they need to meet?

Surprised this hasn't been exposed years ago. What a farce. NCAA doesnt give a ****.

(09-29-2017 08:25 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  The ONLY way to fix the issue is to pay the players according to talent. A free market. Whenever there is demand for a product, an athlete's talent in this case, and a governing body outlaws it or in this case won't allow for fair market compensation there will always be a black market. The NCAA knowingly creates this black market to protect the fairytale of "amateur" athletics. If people would just stop pretending to care whether or not these kids are paid there wouldn't be an issue.

Then you lose tax exempt status and the IRS is on line 2

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Just get rid of athletic scholarships--problem solved...end of story.

Or....pay them up front and give them a degree in their chosen profession--basketball, FB, soccer, etc. Their participation in the athletic program of their choice would be their work-study experience, and they could take classes in $$ management.

Go one way or the other, but the hybrid system that currently runs does a disservice to the kids, while greasing the palms of the AD.

Then you lose tax exempt status and the IRS is on line 2

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treat it like any other work study job. grad students get paid all the time