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At least when all this is old news, Andy Enfield will still have a smokin' hot wife.
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(09-26-2017 03:48 PM)ken d Wrote:  In a quick google search, I find that both Kentucky and Duke - the kings of one and done - are both Nike schools. On page one of the Kentucky search is a recent (6/17) story where Bam Adebayo just signed a lucrative contract with Nike now that he has turned pro. Perhaps that's just a coincidence.

I already see a lot of posts suggesting that Rick Pitino and Bruce Pearl are now toast. The presumption is, of course, that how could they not know what is going on with their prized recruits.

I haven't yet heard anyone express concern that Coach Cal or Coach K could be in jeopardy. I guess the one and done kids they recruit don't need the money, and don't mind that their AAU teammates are getting paid and they aren't.

This story won't have much impact if it's just the Bruce Pearls of the basketball world that pay the price. But what if it touches the golden boys? What if it touches Coach K - or worse, what if it touches Nick Saban?

Kansas is an Adidas school.
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Everyone knew AAU ball was a mess. But once the shoe companies are involved, there's a LOT of money and probably a LOT of schools involved. I think the shoe companies are what make this huge.
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(09-26-2017 03:48 PM)ken d Wrote:  I haven't yet heard anyone express concern that Coach Cal or Coach K could be in jeopardy. I guess the one and done kids they recruit don't need the money, and don't mind that their AAU teammates are getting paid and they aren't.

Surmising on a message board that players on other perennial winning teams are paid doesn't get us to "jeopardy", which in this case would be the feds having the same hard evidence that is reflected in these indictments. We can assume that many players on such teams are paid and that their coaches are involved, and we might be correct, but those assumptions are a long way away from videotaped meetings and bag men wearing wires for the FBI. The prosecutors and FBI had to do a helluva lot of good, hard work to get to this point on the folks who are "in jeopardy" right now.
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(09-26-2017 04:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 03:48 PM)ken d Wrote:  I haven't yet heard anyone express concern that Coach Cal or Coach K could be in jeopardy. I guess the one and done kids they recruit don't need the money, and don't mind that their AAU teammates are getting paid and they aren't.

Surmising on a message board that players on other perennial winning teams are paid doesn't get us to "jeopardy", which in this case would be the feds having the same hard evidence that is reflected in these indictments. We can assume that many players on such teams are paid and that their coaches are involved, and we might be correct, but those assumptions are a long way away from videotaped meetings and bag men wearing wires for the FBI. The prosecutors and FBI had to do a helluva lot of good, hard work to get to this point on the folks who are "in jeopardy" right now.

The fact that the FBI now has hard evidence against some of the participants in this case gives them a lot of leverage. At some point, one or more of these guys is going to decide he's not going to be the fall guy, and he will flip in exchange for either immunity or a light sentence. That has to be making a lot of people nervous right now.
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We may have to watch that Adidas sponsors D2 and D3 schools. One school that is in trouble with money issues is UC-Merced. If anybody from that school was involved? They could go down.

Presbyterian is also sponsored by the same company.
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(09-26-2017 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We may have to watch that Adidas sponsors D2 and D3 schools. One school that is in trouble with money issues is UC-Merced. If anybody from that school was involved? They could go down.

Presbyterian is also sponsored by the same company.

How ridiculous can you be? Like Adidas is paying for recruits to go to Merced or Presbyterian. Leave financials matters to to David St, as he'll be a major corporate executive or university official some day.
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(09-26-2017 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We may have to watch that Adidas sponsors D2 and D3 schools. One school that is in trouble with money issues is UC-Merced. If anybody from that school was involved? They could go down.

Presbyterian is also sponsored by the same company.

So, the answer to the OP is - deeper than any of us ever imagined....
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(09-26-2017 06:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We may have to watch that Adidas sponsors D2 and D3 schools. One school that is in trouble with money issues is UC-Merced. If anybody from that school was involved? They could go down.

Presbyterian is also sponsored by the same company.

So, the answer to the OP is - deeper than any of us ever imagined....
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Well, with the money issues, I would not be surprised UC-Merced could stoop so low to save their programs to stay in the NCAA.

As the original post said, how deep this scandal could go.
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(09-26-2017 05:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We may have to watch that Adidas sponsors D2 and D3 schools. One school that is in trouble with money issues is UC-Merced. If anybody from that school was involved? They could go down.

Presbyterian is also sponsored by the same company.

How ridiculous can you be? Like Adidas is paying for recruits to go to Merced or Presbyterian. Leave financials matters to to David St, as he'll be a major corporate executive or university official some day.

when even NoDak is calling you out for being ridiculous, perhaps you should take a step back and disengage from the Google machine...01-wingedeagle
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(09-26-2017 06:53 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 05:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We may have to watch that Adidas sponsors D2 and D3 schools. One school that is in trouble with money issues is UC-Merced. If anybody from that school was involved? They could go down.

Presbyterian is also sponsored by the same company.

How ridiculous can you be? Like Adidas is paying for recruits to go to Merced or Presbyterian. Leave financials matters to to David St, as he'll be a major corporate executive or university official some day.

when even NoDak is calling you out for being ridiculous, perhaps you should take a step back and disengage from the Google machine...01-wingedeagle

Understand David's DII love more than most. The Dakotas were delayed in going to DI where they belonged for many historical reasons. But there are few DII schools that now should be DI - namely UCSD, GVSU, and Wayne St.
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The FBI is just tugging on the first few inches of a 5 mile long ball of yarn. The question is do they unroll and investigate all 5 miles or grab some headlines with the first few inches? Who they don't investigate will likely show us the motives for the investigative process. If they investigate the whole 5 miles they will have earned my applause. If they stop with just a few this was a hatchet job on behalf of another party or parties.
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(09-26-2017 06:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 06:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We may have to watch that Adidas sponsors D2 and D3 schools. One school that is in trouble with money issues is UC-Merced. If anybody from that school was involved? They could go down.

Presbyterian is also sponsored by the same company.

So, the answer to the OP is - deeper than any of us ever imagined....
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Well, with the money issues, I would not be surprised UC-Merced could stoop so low to save their programs to stay in the NCAA.

As the original post said, how deep this scandal could go.

Now I know you really don't know anything because UCM is in NAIA, not the NCAA. 05-nono 04-chairshot
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(09-26-2017 06:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We may have to watch that Adidas sponsors D2 and D3 schools. One school that is in trouble with money issues is UC-Merced. If anybody from that school was involved? They could go down.

Presbyterian is also sponsored by the same company.

So, the answer to the OP is - deeper than any of us ever imagined....
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(09-26-2017 06:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 06:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We may have to watch that Adidas sponsors D2 and D3 schools. One school that is in trouble with money issues is UC-Merced. If anybody from that school was involved? They could go down.

Presbyterian is also sponsored by the same company.

So, the answer to the OP is - deeper than any of us ever imagined....
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Well, with the money issues, I would not be surprised UC-Merced could stoop so low to save their programs to stay in the NCAA.

As the original post said, how deep this scandal could go.
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BTW, I actually lived near Merced for about 4 months with the USAF.
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(09-26-2017 08:54 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 06:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 06:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We may have to watch that Adidas sponsors D2 and D3 schools. One school that is in trouble with money issues is UC-Merced. If anybody from that school was involved? They could go down.

Presbyterian is also sponsored by the same company.

So, the answer to the OP is - deeper than any of us ever imagined....
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Well, with the money issues, I would not be surprised UC-Merced could stoop so low to save their programs to stay in the NCAA.

As the original post said, how deep this scandal could go.
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BTW, I actually lived near Merced for about 4 months with the USAF.

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Of course it happens in football too. Cam Newton's price tag was a big controversy a few years back.
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(09-26-2017 09:00 PM)SactoHornetAlum Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 08:54 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 06:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 06:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We may have to watch that Adidas sponsors D2 and D3 schools. One school that is in trouble with money issues is UC-Merced. If anybody from that school was involved? They could go down.

Presbyterian is also sponsored by the same company.

So, the answer to the OP is - deeper than any of us ever imagined....
Epic Mind Blown

Well, with the money issues, I would not be surprised UC-Merced could stoop so low to save their programs to stay in the NCAA.

As the original post said, how deep this scandal could go.
[Image: Its-Time-To-Stop-Posting_o_94738.jpg]

BTW, I actually lived near Merced for about 4 months with the USAF.

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Now that David has managed to derail another thread by pretending to be the village idiot, can we back to reality for a minute?

Whenever a governing body bans some activity for which there should logically be a free market, we can be sure a black market will emerge in response. Amateurism in NCAA sports is just such a ban, and this is the natural response.

When I asked how deep this goes, I was implying that the laws of supply and demand will apply to this black market as it does to all black markets. What we are seeing in this case is the workings of what amounts to a futures market. Basketball talent is a commodity that will be traded over the career of each player. Two groups will leech off that talent in a very direct way - shoe companies and agents.

But it stands to reason that both agents and shoe companies will benefit (or win their gamble) to the extent any player they bet on has a successful career. So they aren't likely to be paying a recruit who has little chance of getting drafted. And the less money the player will earn, the smaller the wager the prospective agent should place for the chance to get his cut of those earnings.

There are only 30 first round picks in every draft, and some of these will be foreign players. So, maybe 25 college players will get a guaranteed contract each year, and maybe another 20-25 will go in the second round where they will command a much lower initial contract. So, if you are an agent, or a shoe company, would you bet on more than 40-50 players each recruiting season? And wouldn't you pay more for the guys projected to be lottery picks than second rounders?

So, what are the chances that nobody bet on the 8 players ranked in the top 20 by ESPN and signed by Duke (4 of the top 8) and Kentucky (4 of the top 20) in this year's class?

This year, Miami signed the #13 prospect (from Pennsylvania) in the ESPN 100. There's a good chance somebody bet on him. They also signed #48 (from Maryland). Maybe yes, maybe no. And they signed #94 (from New Jersey). He's a long shot to get paid (at least by this particular black market mechanism).

So, again, how deep does this go? At what point is it a bad gamble for the agents and shoe companies?
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(09-27-2017 07:11 AM)ken d Wrote:  So, again, how deep does this go? At what point is it a bad gamble for the agents and shoe companies?

I'd say it -the Louisville aspect of the scandal - goes down to the high-3* level, and I'm not sure how many more of those there are. If you are a shoe company that sponsors a particular college program and provides it with shoes, you want that program to be successful, so as to raise the visibility of your brand right then, by having that high-profile college team taking the court each night on national TV in your shoes. And that is facilitated by helping that college successfully recruit talented high school players. Below high-3*, guys just aren't likely to make a tangible impact in that regard.
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