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(09-26-2017 11:53 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 11:45 AM)LouisvilleHilltopper Wrote:  Just listened to the press conference. Seems there's no criminal charges filed against anyone associated with Louisville but there can still be a major NCAA violation

How? Oh wait its Slick RIck, UofL will have nothing happen to them, that you can you be assured of....

U of L will be in trouble, many are saying so up here on the talk shows, Pitino and even Jurich. Looks for some serious issues to come from this.
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(09-26-2017 05:21 PM)Franko Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 11:53 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 11:45 AM)LouisvilleHilltopper Wrote:  Just listened to the press conference. Seems there's no criminal charges filed against anyone associated with Louisville but there can still be a major NCAA violation

How? Oh wait its Slick RIck, UofL will have nothing happen to them, that you can you be assured of....

U of L will be in trouble, many are saying so up here on the talk shows, Pitino and even Jurich. Looks for some serious issues to come from this.

High confidence that both Petino and Jurich will be gone tomorrow.
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(09-26-2017 09:37 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Whoa!!! This is big!!! In fairness to Pearl & Auburn, Arizona & Sean Miller got swept up in this too, & Arizona is supposed to be one of the blue bloods in college basketball.

Sounds like there could be upcoming charges to Kentucky & Miami(FL) too!!! A real shame about Miami, because I thought that Larranaga was above cheating.

Arizona is not a blue blood.

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Louisville and Kentucky (Calipari) are complete sleaze. WKU is the class of the state of Kentucky.
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(09-26-2017 11:17 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 10:53 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 10:07 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 09:56 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Louisville pays 100G for player....

https://twitter.com/AndrewDasNYT/status/...9050395648

Pitino's the slimeyest of them all. After all this and the whore-scandal they should get the death penalty.

No your former coach is the slimiest of the slimiest. He has bent rules and committed NCAA violations where ever he has been. Including at Memphis, and it wasn't just with one of the worst PGs in the NBA with Rose.

You sound like a Pitino fan. Maybe you should post on the Cardinals board.

The NCAA's eligibility committee twice cleared Rose to play. And in the one and only time in NCAA history they held a university to a strict liability standard. Hasn't happened before or since.
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I'm sure UK fans will jump at this but theyre delusional if they think Callipari isn't pulling the same crap. All those 5 star kids aren't choosing UK over hundreds of thousands of dollars because of UK's "tradition". All the blue bloods are doing it.
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Is it really bribery to offer someone an incentive? I know it's an NCAA violation, but illegal to the point the FBI is pressing the case?

The nation's top students are wooed by colleges with not only scholarships, but promises of working on high priority, Grant funded projects that include pay.

Signing bonus are common in the business world with companies throwing money at high level talent.

States compete with incentive packages to lure companies within their borders.

I'm certainly not for the practice, but what constitutes a bribe versus an incentive and at what point does that become criminal? The shoe company doesn't care if Louisville or Oklahoma State wins a championship as much as they care that the right player is wearing their shoe, now and in the future. They are making an advertising investment. How does it really differ with what Nike does at Oregon? The cash may not go straight to the player, but look at the mountain of perks the school has to sell to prospects.
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(09-26-2017 08:34 PM)banker Wrote:  Is it really bribery to offer someone an incentive? I know it's an NCAA violation, but illegal to the point the FBI is pressing the case?

The nation's top students are wooed by colleges with not only scholarships, but promises of working on high priority, Grant funded projects that include pay.

Signing bonus are common in the business world with companies throwing money at high level talent.

States compete with incentive packages to lure companies within their borders.

I'm certainly not for the practice, but what constitutes a bribe versus an incentive and at what point does that become criminal? The shoe company doesn't care if Louisville or Oklahoma State wins a championship as much as they care that the right player is wearing their shoe, now and in the future. They are making an advertising investment. How does it really differ with what Nike does at Oregon? The cash may not go straight to the player, but look at the mountain of perks the school has to sell to prospects.

This will slow things down, until they figure the next way around things. Remember what a high crime it was to get a kid a car back 30 years ago? Now its the easiest thing in the world to give.
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(09-26-2017 08:34 PM)banker Wrote:  Is it really bribery to offer someone an incentive? I know it's an NCAA violation, but illegal to the point the FBI is pressing the case?

The nation's top students are wooed by colleges with not only scholarships, but promises of working on high priority, Grant funded projects that include pay.

Signing bonus are common in the business world with companies throwing money at high level talent.

States compete with incentive packages to lure companies within their borders.

I'm certainly not for the practice, but what constitutes a bribe versus an incentive and at what point does that become criminal? The shoe company doesn't care if Louisville or Oklahoma State wins a championship as much as they care that the right player is wearing their shoe, now and in the future. They are making an advertising investment. How does it really differ with what Nike does at Oregon? The cash may not go straight to the player, but look at the mountain of perks the school has to sell to prospects.

Well, there are actually quite a few reasons. For starters, all the examples you cited are done under the light of day within laws that have been written for those specific purposes. These were done under the table as quid pro quos specifically to usurp both federal laws and NCAA rules. What makes the Adidas involvement particularly bad is the fact that the guy cooked the books to hide the payments.

The difference between a bribe and incentive is that Nike, for example, in the Oregon incentive example you mentioned is that both parties are entering into a viable contract arrangement that can be governed by U.S. law. with full transparency on what the deal entails and what outcomes are to be expected. What Adidas did was to leverage its position in the market with cash to entice the action of one party to influence the outcome of another party (ostensibly exploiting that party for its own gain) that would eventually (in the quid pro quo I referenced above) serve to benefit Adidas in the long run while usurping the entire legal process on everything taxes to standard contract law.

The overly simplistic view is that if you are having to hide your actions to do it then it is probably illegal. As I mentioned earlier, most of the NCAA rule violations that involved improper benefits are almost always illegal. They just never end up in the courts.
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(09-26-2017 09:13 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 08:34 PM)banker Wrote:  Is it really bribery to offer someone an incentive? I know it's an NCAA violation, but illegal to the point the FBI is pressing the case?

The nation's top students are wooed by colleges with not only scholarships, but promises of working on high priority, Grant funded projects that include pay.

Signing bonus are common in the business world with companies throwing money at high level talent.

States compete with incentive packages to lure companies within their borders.

I'm certainly not for the practice, but what constitutes a bribe versus an incentive and at what point does that become criminal? The shoe company doesn't care if Louisville or Oklahoma State wins a championship as much as they care that the right player is wearing their shoe, now and in the future. They are making an advertising investment. How does it really differ with what Nike does at Oregon? The cash may not go straight to the player, but look at the mountain of perks the school has to sell to prospects.

Well, there are actually quite a few reasons. For starters, all the examples you cited are done under the light of day within laws that have been written for those specific purposes. These were done under the table as quid pro quos specifically to usurp both federal laws and NCAA rules. What makes the Adidas involvement particularly bad is the fact that the guy cooked the books to hide the payments.

The difference between a bribe and incentive is that Nike, for example, in the Oregon incentive example you mentioned is that both parties are entering into a viable contract arrangement that can be governed by U.S. law. with full transparency on what the deal entails and what outcomes are to be expected. What Adidas did was to leverage its position in the market with cash to entice the action of one party to influence the outcome of another party (ostensibly exploiting that party for its own gain) that would eventually (in the quid pro quo I referenced above) serve to benefit Adidas in the long run while usurping the entire legal process on everything taxes to standard contract law.

The overly simplistic view is that if you are having to hide your actions to do it then it is probably illegal. As I mentioned earlier, most of the NCAA rule violations that involved improper benefits are almost always illegal. They just never end up in the courts.

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(09-26-2017 04:02 PM)Artifice Wrote:  Pat Forde has said Louisville needs to be given the death penalty. Used to be their beat writer before he got a national gig.

Of course Gary Parrish would never say the same thing about Memphis.

Fire Rick Pitino and Tom Jurich now
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(09-26-2017 06:34 PM)correcamino Wrote:  I'm sure UK fans will jump at this but theyre delusional if they think Callipari isn't pulling the same crap. All those 5 star kids aren't choosing UK over hundreds of thousands of dollars because of UK's "tradition". All the blue bloods are doing it.

UK's ring leader Matt Jones was on Twitter all day slinging dog crap at UofL and acting like this was the best day of his life with UofL being in serious trouble...Doubt UK gets touched, but UK fans may need to be a little more cautious, because Cal could get mentioned today by the FBI, who knows at this point? We know Cal has cheated before and I am sure UK is paying these top level guys something... They said more to come so I am sure there are a lot of nervous coaches at the moment...
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The UL program may be the slimiest of them all but nothing will be done. Pitino seems to have the NCAA by the nuts.
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(09-27-2017 07:24 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Pitino's statement

Statement is a joke, even UofL homer here Pat Forde came out and basically said UofL athletics should be shut down and Pitino and Jurich should be fired...
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(09-26-2017 09:28 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 09:13 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 08:34 PM)banker Wrote:  Is it really bribery to offer someone an incentive? I know it's an NCAA violation, but illegal to the point the FBI is pressing the case?

The nation's top students are wooed by colleges with not only scholarships, but promises of working on high priority, Grant funded projects that include pay.

Signing bonus are common in the business world with companies throwing money at high level talent.

States compete with incentive packages to lure companies within their borders.

I'm certainly not for the practice, but what constitutes a bribe versus an incentive and at what point does that become criminal? The shoe company doesn't care if Louisville or Oklahoma State wins a championship as much as they care that the right player is wearing their shoe, now and in the future. They are making an advertising investment. How does it really differ with what Nike does at Oregon? The cash may not go straight to the player, but look at the mountain of perks the school has to sell to prospects.

Well, there are actually quite a few reasons. For starters, all the examples you cited are done under the light of day within laws that have been written for those specific purposes. These were done under the table as quid pro quos specifically to usurp both federal laws and NCAA rules. What makes the Adidas involvement particularly bad is the fact that the guy cooked the books to hide the payments.

The difference between a bribe and incentive is that Nike, for example, in the Oregon incentive example you mentioned is that both parties are entering into a viable contract arrangement that can be governed by U.S. law. with full transparency on what the deal entails and what outcomes are to be expected. What Adidas did was to leverage its position in the market with cash to entice the action of one party to influence the outcome of another party (ostensibly exploiting that party for its own gain) that would eventually (in the quid pro quo I referenced above) serve to benefit Adidas in the long run while usurping the entire legal process on everything taxes to standard contract law.

The overly simplistic view is that if you are having to hide your actions to do it then it is probably illegal. As I mentioned earlier, most of the NCAA rule violations that involved improper benefits are almost always illegal. They just never end up in the courts.

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Now, I patiently await dahbeed to come razz me for talking about myself.
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(09-26-2017 04:52 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  this is one of the best things that could happen for the "Group of 5". this will certainly roll over into football. at the VERY least....some of the payments to these recruits will be fewer and for less amounts.

This happens at the G5 level too. I know guys who got paid back in the 80s and 90s. One wrestled (yes wrestled) for Bolling Green and the other rode the bench at Marshall for basketball. If schools like those are paying athletes (wrestling?!?!) thousands, you can be sure all the P5 are paying tens if not hundreds of thousands. I suspect we will see this trickle down to the G5 too, though not nearly as big of payouts because we don't have the tens of millions coming in like the Ps do.
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(09-27-2017 07:56 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Now, I patiently await dahbeed to come razz me for talking about myself.

You left out being the Bo Jackson of Bugtussle. 04-cheers

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