Georgia Southern needs to clean house immediately. Fritz was on track to turn Georgia Southern into Boise State 2.0, and the admin eff'ed that up.

Quote:On Monday, Kleinlein invited some members of the media to view a copy of a contract extension, along with other documents, that he said was offered to Fritz in late November 2015, after Georgia Southern defeated South Alabama 55-17, earning its eighth win of the season.

The new contract Georgia Southern offered Fritz was approved by the Georgia Southern University Athletic Foundation during a Nov. 25, 2015 board meeting, according to a record of the meeting minutes provided by Kleinlein.

According to the meeting minutes, Kleinlein briefed the board on the contract specifics, which included increasing Fritz’s salary from $500,000 to $700,000 and increasing the salary pool of Fritz’s assistant coaches by $150,000.

The contract would have been for four years, commencing on July 1, 2016 and expiring on June 30, 2020. It also included an option stating if Fritz won seven games during a contract year, he would receive an additional one-year extension. In other words, if Fritz were to win seven games every year at Georgia Southern, he would always have four years remaining on his contract. Fritz’s buyout would have been $1.2 million if he was fired, and he would’ve had to pay Georgia Southern $1 million if he left.

http://savannahnow.com/news/sports/local...ach-willie

Can anyone explain why Georgia Southern hired Summers in the first place?

When UCF Nation heard that he was hired as a Head Coach a year after being a fill-in Defensive Coordinator in the Fiesta Bowl (after Fleming went to... Rhode Island I think?), we did a collective scratching of the head. His greatest claim to fame was holding Baylor to enough points to win, on a defense that was controlled by George O'Leary top to bottom anyway? Didn't make any sense at all, and still doesn't.

(09-26-2017 01:06 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Can anyone explain why Georgia Southern hired Summers in the first place?

When UCF Nation heard that he was hired as a Head Coach a year after being a fill-in Defensive Coordinator in the Fiesta Bowl (after Fleming went to... Rhode Island I think?), we did a collective scratching of the head. His greatest claim to fame was holding Baylor to enough points to win, on a defense that was controlled by George O'Leary top to bottom anyway? Didn't make any sense at all, and still doesn't.

Many of us think he was part of the Good Ole Boy network and that along with knowing what to say in the interview with the committee was what made him our coach.

To be clear I still hope he turns it around this season but I don't expect it at all.

(09-26-2017 06:52 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

Quote:On Monday, Kleinlein invited some members of the media to view a copy of a contract extension, along with other documents, that he said was offered to Fritz in late November 2015, after Georgia Southern defeated South Alabama 55-17, earning its eighth win of the season.

The new contract Georgia Southern offered Fritz was approved by the Georgia Southern University Athletic Foundation during a Nov. 25, 2015 board meeting, according to a record of the meeting minutes provided by Kleinlein.

According to the meeting minutes, Kleinlein briefed the board on the contract specifics, which included increasing Fritz’s salary from $500,000 to $700,000 and increasing the salary pool of Fritz’s assistant coaches by $150,000.

The contract would have been for four years, commencing on July 1, 2016 and expiring on June 30, 2020. It also included an option stating if Fritz won seven games during a contract year, he would receive an additional one-year extension. In other words, if Fritz were to win seven games every year at Georgia Southern, he would always have four years remaining on his contract. Fritz’s buyout would have been $1.2 million if he was fired, and he would’ve had to pay Georgia Southern $1 million if he left.

http://savannahnow.com/news/sports/local...ach-willie

The same Savannah Morning News reported back in 2015 that "while exact details of Fritz's contact at Tulane were not available it is believed that his yearly salary would be two to three times what he was paid at Georgia Southern"...this is still the #1 reason Fritz left and we all know it.

(09-25-2017 07:17 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Georgia Southern needs to clean house immediately. Fritz was on track to turn Georgia Southern into Boise State 2.0, and the admin eff'ed that up.

He left for $1.2 Million from Tulane. Regardless of whether he liked working for TK or not, what could we honestly have done to keep him?

(09-26-2017 01:06 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Can anyone explain why Georgia Southern hired Summers in the first place?

When UCF Nation heard that he was hired as a Head Coach a year after being a fill-in Defensive Coordinator in the Fiesta Bowl (after Fleming went to... Rhode Island I think?), we did a collective scratching of the head. His greatest claim to fame was holding Baylor to enough points to win, on a defense that was controlled by George O'Leary top to bottom anyway? Didn't make any sense at all, and still doesn't.

No we cant...sorry.

http://www.forgotten5.com/2017/09/26/rea...udio-leak/

Lets put all these "facts" on the table and see what we've got.

Fritz comes in with a state contract on a yearly basis of about 300K, plus booster money to put him at about 500K/year. As far as I know Fritz had a guarantee for 4 years (even if he lost ever single game). IF he won 7+ games he got an automatic 1 year extension (So basically win 7+ games and always have 4 years). Fritz had a peculiar clause in his contract that allowed him to break the contract for virtually nothing IF either AD or school President left. This is something I'm sure put in after years of experience with other schools.

So in 2015 Fritz is doing well again and is openly putting his name out for there for other schools to make him an offer. Tulane offers him 6 years at 1.2M+/year. We apparently could only offer 700K plus a slight increase for staff.

There are rumors that both Monken and Fritz didn't like the current AD (Tom Klinlein?sp?) so they wanted out. This may be true, but both left for a dream job and a ton more cash. So I bet it wouldn't of mattered who the AD was, they would've left.

This is/was about money for Fritz. Don't fault him for taking the Tulane job, but due for the GSU debacle and a few other issues when he up and left us high and dry. When he left we could do what stAte does with buyout money from Tulane cause there wasn't any. So we had to scrap together a new HC and staff.


Hindsight is 20/20 and hiring Summers has turned out to be a huge mistake. He would have to win out this season to save any hope of having a job next year. And the AD has to make a hire that will produce equal or better results than Fritz did in order to reduce the temp on his seat.

I'm not disputing the audio, but Fritz was leaving no matter what. We just couldn't match Tulane's offer.

(09-26-2017 06:52 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

Quote:On Monday, Kleinlein invited some members of the media to view a copy of a contract extension, along with other documents, that he said was offered to Fritz in late November 2015, after Georgia Southern defeated South Alabama 55-17, earning its eighth win of the season.

The new contract Georgia Southern offered Fritz was approved by the Georgia Southern University Athletic Foundation during a Nov. 25, 2015 board meeting, according to a record of the meeting minutes provided by Kleinlein.

According to the meeting minutes, Kleinlein briefed the board on the contract specifics, which included increasing Fritz’s salary from $500,000 to $700,000 and increasing the salary pool of Fritz’s assistant coaches by $150,000.

The contract would have been for four years, commencing on July 1, 2016 and expiring on June 30, 2020. It also included an option stating if Fritz won seven games during a contract year, he would receive an additional one-year extension. In other words, if Fritz were to win seven games every year at Georgia Southern, he would always have four years remaining on his contract. Fritz’s buyout would have been $1.2 million if he was fired, and he would’ve had to pay Georgia Southern $1 million if he left.

http://savannahnow.com/news/sports/local...ach-willie

Wow, difficult to keep up bouncing back and forth. If this is true, what do you GS guys think now? Offer sounds reasonable. Is Fritz lying or is it the AD? What we know for sure is, the AD now has two former coaches after his ass for contract issues. You may have your answers from the trial coming up. If your AD is wrong and wants to keep himself covered, one would expect to see a settlement before going under oath.

(09-27-2017 03:00 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 06:52 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

Quote:On Monday, Kleinlein invited some members of the media to view a copy of a contract extension, along with other documents, that he said was offered to Fritz in late November 2015, after Georgia Southern defeated South Alabama 55-17, earning its eighth win of the season.

The new contract Georgia Southern offered Fritz was approved by the Georgia Southern University Athletic Foundation during a Nov. 25, 2015 board meeting, according to a record of the meeting minutes provided by Kleinlein.

According to the meeting minutes, Kleinlein briefed the board on the contract specifics, which included increasing Fritz’s salary from $500,000 to $700,000 and increasing the salary pool of Fritz’s assistant coaches by $150,000.

The contract would have been for four years, commencing on July 1, 2016 and expiring on June 30, 2020. It also included an option stating if Fritz won seven games during a contract year, he would receive an additional one-year extension. In other words, if Fritz were to win seven games every year at Georgia Southern, he would always have four years remaining on his contract. Fritz’s buyout would have been $1.2 million if he was fired, and he would’ve had to pay Georgia Southern $1 million if he left.

http://savannahnow.com/news/sports/local...ach-willie

Wow, difficult to keep up bouncing back and forth. If this is true, what do you GS guys think now? Offer sounds reasonable. Is Fritz lying or is it the AD? What we know for sure is, the AD now has two former coaches after his ass for contract issues. You may have your answers from the trial coming up. If your AD is wrong and wants to keep himself covered, one would expect to see a settlement before going under oath.

This didn't really change my opinion of the situation. However, considering the position our President is in at the moment with the consolidation of Armstrong, I don't see him making a change at AD this year. He has bigger fish to fry.

I'm really tired of the situation and was hoping we could just move forward this year. I just want to have fun watching and analyzing/discussing the games. I've watched maybe 15 minutes of Eagle football this year. Bring on baseball season!

(09-27-2017 03:00 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 06:52 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

Quote:On Monday, Kleinlein invited some members of the media to view a copy of a contract extension, along with other documents, that he said was offered to Fritz in late November 2015, after Georgia Southern defeated South Alabama 55-17, earning its eighth win of the season.

The new contract Georgia Southern offered Fritz was approved by the Georgia Southern University Athletic Foundation during a Nov. 25, 2015 board meeting, according to a record of the meeting minutes provided by Kleinlein.

According to the meeting minutes, Kleinlein briefed the board on the contract specifics, which included increasing Fritz’s salary from $500,000 to $700,000 and increasing the salary pool of Fritz’s assistant coaches by $150,000.

The contract would have been for four years, commencing on July 1, 2016 and expiring on June 30, 2020. It also included an option stating if Fritz won seven games during a contract year, he would receive an additional one-year extension. In other words, if Fritz were to win seven games every year at Georgia Southern, he would always have four years remaining on his contract. Fritz’s buyout would have been $1.2 million if he was fired, and he would’ve had to pay Georgia Southern $1 million if he left.

http://savannahnow.com/news/sports/local...ach-willie

Wow, difficult to keep up bouncing back and forth. If this is true, what do you GS guys think now? Offer sounds reasonable. Is Fritz lying or is it the AD? What we know for sure is, the AD now has two former coaches after his ass for contract issues. You may have your answers from the trial coming up. If your AD is wrong and wants to keep himself covered, one would expect to see a settlement before going under oath.

I think Fritz was telling his team part of the truth in the video, not the whole truth. As stated above, I think money was the deciding factor and I don't blame him. I think in this instance, I believe the AD. However, this is not to say I'm happy with the AD but I do not think he is at fault with this one. I don't think we had any more money to offer at the time.

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From the outside looking in it appears ole Willie Quitz laid out a load of BS the players to cover the real reason he left.

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Seems like they both are telling the truth in part.

I'm sure Frits wanted more security and when he didn't get it he started to get a wandering eye. Tulne calls and he starts down that path and by the time the AD gets him the new contract his mind is already in Louisiana.

(09-28-2017 11:25 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  From the outside looking in it appears ole Willie Quitz laid out a load of BS the players to cover the real reason he left.

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Its possible both were correct. The issue could be the timing of when contracts were offered.

Hard to put the timeline together.



I took a great job offer a few months back and when I told my prior management I was leaving they said they'd match it in order to retain me.

Too late... maybe had they already had me at that range I probably would not have looked around to begin with.

Timing is everything.

This seems like the most likely explanation to me:

A historically-losing G5 program sees an aging coach killing it it at an FCS move-up and sees a chance to lock him in for the long-term to possibly help their struggling program. They throw him a seven-figure a year deal that lasts six years.

TK meets with the Athletic Foundation to discuss how much Fritz's pay can be upped. GS is unable to match what Tulane is offering in pay and unwilling to offer a contract that is as long as Tulane.

(Predictably) Fritz leaves.

(09-28-2017 11:25 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  From the outside looking in it appears ole Willie Quitz laid out a load of BS the players to cover the real reason he left.

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(09-28-2017 11:34 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  Seems like they both are telling the truth in part.

I'm sure Frits wanted more security and when he didn't get it he started to get a wandering eye. Tulne calls and he starts down that path and by the time the AD gets him the new contract his mind is already in Louisiana.

Both can be true.

Fritz's may have rightfully thought he deserved more.
We dont know if TK offered the max contract to begin with.

One thing that does not sit well with me is if the max contract was offered where is the counter offer from Fritz? I have a suspicion that was the highest TK was authorized to go but the max was not offered.
I would really like to know what Fritz asked for and how far they were apart. I dont think it just came down to money as Tulane has sucked forever under multiple coaches, you cant convince me Tulane was high on his list and he would not have taken less to stay and why the six years was not matched.

But it really does not matter we f'ed as of now unless Cook can coach us out of it with the "gun" shot gun ONLY box CTS has put him in. Even then CTS sucks at all other aspects of coaching so far even his specialty defense, outside of not being dick and being a good human.