Etsubuc20
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Offensive Woes
What's the deal? Our defense has been playing pretty good ball. Unfortunately, that will be hard to maintain if they are constantly on the field with the offense going 3 and out almost every series. We can't run the ball at all. And we also can't pass. Don't let those 182 yards passing fool you. Most of those were while the defense was in prevent at the end of the half and game. Not that 182 yards passing is anything good. I am biased and obviously want to see Weiger play after watching him break Curt Phillip's records in HS. But I also think we need to be playing a QB that can run. Seems almost criminal not to have a QB that can escape the pocket and make something happen with their legs at this level, even NFL QB's are these days.Something needs to change with this offense, whether its the QB or playcalling. It has to get better and quick.[/align]
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ETSUfan1
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RE: Offensive Woes
Seems to be a combination of things. I think the line still isn't able to block top caliber defenses, which we have definitely seen the last 2 weeks. I think Stinson is just okay, and I think Herink is just okay. We don't have big offensive playmakers like we do on defense. I don't know what you do. I fear our secondary is going to get picked apart on Saturday.
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09-19-2017 12:48 PM |
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RE: Offensive Woes
(09-19-2017 12:09 PM)Etsubuc20 Wrote: What's the deal? Our defense has been playing pretty good ball. Unfortunately, that will be hard to maintain if they are constantly on the field with the offense going 3 and out almost every series. We can't run the ball at all. And we also can't pass. Don't let those 182 yards passing fool you. Most of those were while the defense was in prevent at the end of the half and game. Not that 182 yards passing is anything good. I am biased and obviously want to see Weiger play after watching him break Curt Phillip's records in HS. But I also think we need to be playing a QB that can run. Seems almost criminal not to have a QB that can escape the pocket and make something happen with their legs at this level, even NFL QB's are these days.Something needs to change with this offense, whether its the QB or playcalling. It has to get better and quick.[/align]
You obviously have a problem w/ #7 based on your previous posts. Please support the team and the coaches decision making, regardless of your relationship with #12. The truth is, #12 is the 4th string QB at the moment. The Freshman QB from Memphis will be the one to watch in the next 2 seasons
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09-19-2017 01:05 PM |
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Buc76
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RE: Offensive Woes
IMO players are fine, except for punters. The offensive play calling needs to be more innovative. Opposing teams just blitze the Bucs constantly, disregarding any throws to the backs, pitch plays, screens, etc. Our play book is stagnant, never anything new. The offensive game plan is making it easy for the opposition to play D.
As far as your comments on the passing yardage against Citadel being garbage yards, you, me and everyone else know your are dead wrong.
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09-19-2017 03:59 PM |
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etsubuc
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RE: Offensive Woes
It is very clear to me that Weiger will never play a significant part of this team. I am shocked that he didn't transfer, but am glad that he has stuck with the team and will at least get a quality education.
I think we have a below average offensive line that isn't helped by the snap being on Herink's second clap every single time, an above average (but not special) quarterback, an average running back group, and probably an above average set of receivers. I especially like Drake Powell.
All of this is probably hurt by a very simplistic/predictable offensive play calling.
Put an average team out there when everyone knows what the plays will be and exactly when it will be snapped, it seems fairly easy to stop.
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09-19-2017 05:47 PM |
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bucdad
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RE: Offensive Woes
Keep in mind that we are starting a tackle that has been switched from OL to DL and back to OL over the past 3 years to fill a spot opened when the starting tackle quit the team a month before camp. Plus we are starting a 2nd string guard due to injury just before the season began.
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09-19-2017 06:26 PM |
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brock20
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09-19-2017 06:48 PM |
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bucfan81
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RE: Offensive Woes
(09-19-2017 06:26 PM)bucdad Wrote: Keep in mind that we are starting a tackle that has been switched from OL to DL and back to OL over the past 3 years to fill a spot opened when the starting tackle quit the team a month before camp. Plus we are starting a 2nd string guard due to injury just before the season began.
Does any one know the reason the starting tackle quit the team?
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09-19-2017 07:55 PM |
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bucdad
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RE: Offensive Woes
He just said he was burned out.....
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09-19-2017 08:19 PM |
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Buc76
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RE: Offensive Woes
What difference would it make?
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09-19-2017 08:20 PM |
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bucfan81
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RE: Offensive Woes
(09-19-2017 08:20 PM)Buc76 Wrote: What difference would it make?
It does not make any difference. I was just curious as I know little about the inner workings of football. Being burned out is understandable.
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09-19-2017 08:33 PM |
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Buc76
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RE: Offensive Woes
Why are 2016 team stats posted?
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09-19-2017 10:34 PM |
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brock20
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RE: Offensive Woes
(09-19-2017 10:34 PM)Buc76 Wrote: Why are 2016 team stats posted?
Because ETSU is basically using those same players and coaches from last year and that was a full season. If you want me to post the stats from Limestone, JMU and Citadel I can do that. It's not any better.
http://files.streamlinehosting.net/etsub...eamgbg.htm
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09-20-2017 06:58 AM |
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Buc76
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RE: Offensive Woes
Useless stats to compare a predominantly sophomore team playing their first year in what many pundits think is the best FCS conference.
I'll reserve my comments on players after the program has a true senior class and a full complement of schlorships.
I have made comments on the offensive game planning, play calling and punting. There are things, IMO, that could be done to help the offense be more productive. That burden is on the coaches, not the players.
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09-20-2017 11:02 AM |
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brock20
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RE: Offensive Woes
(09-20-2017 11:02 AM)Buc76 Wrote: Useless stats to compare a predominantly sophomore team playing their first year in what many pundits think is the best FCS conference.
I'll reserve my comments on players after the program has a true senior class and a full complement of schlorships.
I have made comments on the offensive game planning, play calling and punting. There are things, IMO, that could be done to help the offense be more productive. That burden is on the coaches, not the players.
When did passing yards and rushing yards become useless stats?
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09-20-2017 11:21 AM |
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buc73
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RE: Offensive Woes
ETSU Football, at this time, and even more so last year, is not equal in years recruiting, experience, strength and scholarships to any team in the SoCon.
To base an assessment of ETSU's 2nd year program, 1st in the SoCon, 2016 stats against established SoCon teams ( four which were ranked in top 15 and went to the FCS playoffs } and use those stats to evaluate players is poor at best. This year the Bucs have already played the #1 and #12. Bet no other team has done that.
I believe when ETSU has two years of recruiting with the new stadium and a full limit of scholarships, the end result will be a very good team.
If you took the time to look at the two deep dept chart, there were 8 freshman listed on the chart. ETSU is already reaping benefits from new stadium by recuiting better players. In no way am I saying the players that we recruited the first three years were bad. They were groundbreakers, kids willing to come and take a chance on a picture, a dream and a coach promising the parents their kid would get a chanch to play and get a good eduacation. These kids knew they were in for a rough road. They knew they would be undermanned and out gunned but they came. Some of them sacrificed a football career at established schools to play for the Bucs.
So instead of making unfair comparisons between a startup team and established/ranked teams, look were the program was two years ago and today.
Now I also agree that the offense needs a shot in the arm. The Bucs have playmakers. The coaches need to put the team in the right situations to use those playmakers.
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09-20-2017 03:35 PM |
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Etsubuc20
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RE: Offensive Woes
I support the team. Have season tickets and go to every game. When was the last time we threw a pass and had any gain after said pass was completed? They are constantly having to dive for balls. Our receivers seem to get good separation, that's why I'm confused over the lack of yards after the catch.
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09-21-2017 11:53 AM |
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Buc76
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RE: Offensive Woes
When you throw 3 yd outs, 5 yd curls and 5 yd seam stops, it's hard to have yac. Our receivers are either standing or headed to sideline on most routes. Very easy to cover.
They have to open the offense up. Use the backs, tight ends. Move the pocket. They have to make the defense move, spread them out, make them defend sideline to sideline. Occupy the line backers. Neutralize the constant blitzing. No QB or backs are going to gain yards when defense is stacked inside, blitzing, constantly in the backfield.
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09-21-2017 03:07 PM |
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