(09-25-2017 07:49 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-24-2017 10:23 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(09-24-2017 09:54 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Here's what U.S. News and World Report --a far more reputable and credible public source-- says. USNWR's 2018 rankings were just released last week.

UNWR ranks the very BEST schools as "National Universities". If your school isn't ranked on their list of NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES, then your school did NOT make "the best" list. In that scenario, you'll find your school listed on either UNWR's list of REGIONAL Universities, or just "Unranked" on the National Universities list. For example, ODU is on the "National Universities" list, but did not earn a ranking.

By my count, 5 CUSA schools RANKED on UNWR's 2018 list of "National Universities". That means they rank among the very best. Here's their ranking for 2018:

1) Rice - #14
2) UAB - #159
3) UNC Charlotte - # 198
4) LA Tech - #216
5) Florida International - # 216 (tie)


No one else in CUSA earned a ranking on the "National Universities" list for 2018.

Here's the link:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

Again, if your school is not ranked in UNWR's list of "National Universities", you'll likely be listed in the "Regionals" ranking, or unranked on the "National Universities" list.

That's not exactly accurate. The lists are for schools with different missions. The schools defined as "regional" are the ones with limited doctoral programs but some master's programs. It theoretically has nothing to do with the quality of their undergraduate student body, which I think is what most people care the most on this forum.

For example, Providence College and Elon University are both #1 in their respective regions. Both, if judged by the quality of their undergraduate student body from a GPA/SAT/Etc perspective, would be in the upper echelon of C-USA.

That's not to mention the liberal arts colleges category, which is home to some of the finest academic institutions in the country.

Correct. MT is a national university but is never going to rank high on these types of lists, because we don't have a med school, law school, etc. We are slowly beginning to add some additional doctoral programs but were prevented from doing so from 1968 to 2009 due a desegregation lawsuit filed by the HBCU up the road in Nashville (Tenn St). There are some really good undergrad and masters programs, but that's never going to be enough to crack into a higher echelon of rankings without professional degree programs like engineering, MDs, JDs, etc.

Rice has neither a med school nor a law school also.

(09-25-2017 08:05 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 07:49 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-24-2017 10:23 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(09-24-2017 09:54 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Here's what U.S. News and World Report --a far more reputable and credible public source-- says. USNWR's 2018 rankings were just released last week.

UNWR ranks the very BEST schools as "National Universities". If your school isn't ranked on their list of NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES, then your school did NOT make "the best" list. In that scenario, you'll find your school listed on either UNWR's list of REGIONAL Universities, or just "Unranked" on the National Universities list. For example, ODU is on the "National Universities" list, but did not earn a ranking.

By my count, 5 CUSA schools RANKED on UNWR's 2018 list of "National Universities". That means they rank among the very best. Here's their ranking for 2018:

1) Rice - #14
2) UAB - #159
3) UNC Charlotte - # 198
4) LA Tech - #216
5) Florida International - # 216 (tie)


No one else in CUSA earned a ranking on the "National Universities" list for 2018.

Here's the link:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

Again, if your school is not ranked in UNWR's list of "National Universities", you'll likely be listed in the "Regionals" ranking, or unranked on the "National Universities" list.

That's not exactly accurate. The lists are for schools with different missions. The schools defined as "regional" are the ones with limited doctoral programs but some master's programs. It theoretically has nothing to do with the quality of their undergraduate student body, which I think is what most people care the most on this forum.

For example, Providence College and Elon University are both #1 in their respective regions. Both, if judged by the quality of their undergraduate student body from a GPA/SAT/Etc perspective, would be in the upper echelon of C-USA.

That's not to mention the liberal arts colleges category, which is home to some of the finest academic institutions in the country.

Correct. MT is a national university but is never going to rank high on these types of lists, because we don't have a med school, law school, etc. We are slowly beginning to add some additional doctoral programs but were prevented from doing so from 1968 to 2009 due a desegregation lawsuit filed by the HBCU up the road in Nashville (Tenn St). There are some really good undergrad and masters programs, but that's never going to be enough to crack into a higher echelon of rankings without professional degree programs like engineering, MDs, JDs, etc.

Rice has neither a med school nor a law school also.

But you guys have programs like Engineering, Architecture and can get a PhD through the business school. You guys have doctorate level research programs which makes an immense difference and helps with your standing in the academic community.

By the way, we attempted to purchased the Nashville Law School and make it our own, but TSU blocked it.

The two rankings are measuring two totally different things and can both be right at the same time.

(09-25-2017 05:03 AM)MUther Wrote:  I imagine USM is lower for the same reason.

The entry requirements at all 8 MS public universities are hilariously low for in-state students. This is due to the Ayers v. Fordice case. I believe all you need to get in to an IHL (governing body of MS public universities) school is a 16 ACT. The individual schools have more of a say when it comes to OOS students. Ole Miss has raised their OOS requirements in recent years so they won't be taken over by Atlanta, Dallas, and Houston suburbanites.

Rice

UAB
UNCC
Tech
FIU
ODU
UNT
UTSA
UTEP
FAU
MTSU
USM
WKU
Marshall

(09-24-2017 09:08 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  What kind of website is this?

I've never heard this ranking referenced before.

A very strange one, as it has AF in middle-ish of "Top 100 Division I Public," but does not have Army or Navy that list.

But it does have all three in "Top 100 Public."

This stuff is always very subjective. Our ranking suffers because we are a regional university and not a national research classification. Our college of Education enjoys a stellar reputation nation wide. Our Forensics program is top ranked and works with the FBI on a regular basis. My MU degree has served me well.

Always thought when someone posted this stuff, they were trying to compensate for something.

Those discounting FIU with the U.S. News & WR survey need to understand that 40% of their metrics are weighted toward peer review, i.e. a beauty contest. A few years back the peer survey was leaked and one example showed that the previous UF President pencil-whipped FIU a 1 (marginal) straight down the page (this was only four or five years ago).

Know that FIU has had the highest rated legal bar passage rate for three straight years and has been one, two or three for many years prior to that. Is the Legal student population some strange hand-picked group of locals; no they're just law majors. Point is, USN & WR is a survey designed specifically to maintain the status quo as rigorously as possible. So take it with a grain of salt.

(09-25-2017 09:54 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  This stuff is always very subjective. Our ranking suffers because we are a regional university and not a national research classification. Our college of Education enjoys a stellar reputation nation wide. Our Forensics program is top ranked and works with the FBI on a regular basis. My MU degree has served me well.

Always thought when someone posted this stuff, they were trying to compensate for something.

Agreed.

(09-25-2017 09:56 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  Those discounting FIU with the U.S. News & WR survey need to understand that 40% of their metrics are weighted toward peer review, i.e. a beauty contest. A few years back the peer survey was leaked and one example showed that the previous UF President pencil-whipped FIU a 1 (marginal) straight down the page (this was only four or five years ago).

Know that FIU has had the highest rated legal bar passage rate for three straight years and has been one, two or three for many years prior to that. Is the Legal student population some strange hand-picked group of locals; no they're just law majors. Point is, USN & WR is a survey designed specifically to maintain the status quo as rigorously as possible. So take it with a grain of salt.

Who discounted FIU? FIU scored very well and obtained a national ranking. That's a good thing. Why so defensive?

Marshall done did give me a good West Virginia learning so I don't figure them rankings be very right.

(09-25-2017 11:24 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 09:56 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  Those discounting FIU with the U.S. News & WR survey need to understand that 40% of their metrics are weighted toward peer review, i.e. a beauty contest. A few years back the peer survey was leaked and one example showed that the previous UF President pencil-whipped FIU a 1 (marginal) straight down the page (this was only four or five years ago).
Know that FIU has had the highest rated legal bar passage rate for three straight years and has been one, two or three for many years prior to that. Is the Legal student population some strange hand-picked group of locals; no they're just law majors. Point is, USN & WR is a survey designed specifically to maintain the status quo as rigorously as possible. So take it with a grain of salt.

Who discounted FIU? FIU scored very well and obtained a national ranking. That's a good thing. Why so defensive?

Defensive? nah. Just stating that it's taken a long time to crack this arbitrary beauty contest and providing an example to illustrate the point; that's all.

(09-25-2017 09:14 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 05:03 AM)MUther Wrote:  I imagine USM is lower for the same reason.

Ole Miss has raised their OOS requirements in recent years so they won't be taken over by Atlanta, Dallas, and Houston suburbanites.

Have they raised it high enough? I know kids from our area are going to Ole Miss because they couldn't get into their school of choice in Texas. Apparently, Ole Miss and Arkansas have become overflow schools for Texas kids.

(09-25-2017 02:12 PM)LRP Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 09:14 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 05:03 AM)MUther Wrote:  I imagine USM is lower for the same reason.

Ole Miss has raised their OOS requirements in recent years so they won't be taken over by Atlanta, Dallas, and Houston suburbanites.

Have they raised it high enough? I know kids from our area are going to Ole Miss because they couldn't get into their school of choice in Texas. Apparently, Ole Miss and Arkansas have become overflow schools for Texas kids.

It's still really low compared to most flagship universities. Like maybe 22 ACT to be admitted. That is a lot better than 16, however. You are right that it is the school for people that could not get into UT or A&M.

(09-25-2017 09:54 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  This stuff is always very subjective. Our ranking suffers because we are a regional university and not a national research classification. Our college of Education enjoys a stellar reputation nation wide. Our Forensics program is top ranked and works with the FBI on a regular basis. My MU degree has served me well.

Always thought when someone posted this stuff, they were trying to compensate for something.

Forensic Science at Marshall is nationally #1 and has been for five years now.

The College of Education and Professional Development at MU has an amazing reputation across the east coast. I know many that have gone through that program. Also, the Safety Technology/Engineering program at MU is one of less than 10 programs in the nation with the highest accreditation possible.

(09-25-2017 08:05 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Rice has neither a med school nor a law school also.

I always assumed y'all had both. What programs are carrying that stellar reputation?

(09-25-2017 05:30 PM)RougeDawg Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 08:05 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Rice has neither a med school nor a law school also.

I always assumed y'all had both. What programs are carrying that stellar reputation?

Me too. Somebody must have invented something really important a long time ago or they have some Noble Prize winners on staff....'cause they are wayyy up there.

Who gives a schit about these rankings.

Beat the hell out of Southern Miss!

(09-25-2017 05:30 PM)RougeDawg Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 08:05 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Rice has neither a med school nor a law school also.

I always assumed y'all had both. What programs are carrying that stellar reputation?

They do a lot of nanotech and space ****.

Seriously, if you want to be an astronaut go to Rice.

(09-25-2017 03:20 PM)Surbadger Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 09:54 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  This stuff is always very subjective. Our ranking suffers because we are a regional university and not a national research classification. Our college of Education enjoys a stellar reputation nation wide. Our Forensics program is top ranked and works with the FBI on a regular basis. My MU degree has served me well.

Always thought when someone posted this stuff, they were trying to compensate for something.

Forensic Science at Marshall is nationally #1 and has been for five years now.

The College of Education and Professional Development at MU has an amazing reputation across the east coast. I know many that have gone through that program. Also, the Safety Technology/Engineering program at MU is one of less than 10 programs in the nation with the highest accreditation possible.

I almost "FIFY"'d that until I realized you weren't talking about forensics, of which we have been the #1 team nationally off and on for the past 20+ years.