(09-21-2017 11:40 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:17 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  You get to over 30K you are officially one of the big dogs. GS is about to pass well over 100 schools in total enrollment with the addition of the Savannah campus, probably in the top 100 public if not low 100's.

Is the savannah campus actually going to be considered the same as the main campus? Or just part of a Georgia Southern University System?

It will be equal to the main campus in every way except size. After 2022, different colleges will be based on different campuses (i.e. Nursing and Chemistry in Savannah/Business, Engineering, and Education in Statesboro) but students will be able to take the same classes and choose their major no matter what campus they are on in order to reduce commuting between the campuses which are ~45 minutes apart. The biggest two positives for Georgia Southern in this merger is it will increase the number of graduate programs we offer and increase our athletic budget since we will be able to charge 8k more students an athletic fee.

(09-20-2017 11:47 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  USA decreased to 15,569 this year due to increased enrollment criteria. The new(ish) administration has put a huge emphasis on improving our retention/graduation rate, which is climbing quickly. Our incoming class ranks much higher in terms of GPA, ACT etc due to this though.

We leveled off the last few years due to the same reasons. When I started in 98 literally none of my friends would have made it in and I would have squeaked in now. Our acceptance rate back then must have been near 80%. No doubt GS was a back up school before Pres Grube changed all that.

(09-21-2017 12:12 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:40 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:17 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  You get to over 30K you are officially one of the big dogs. GS is about to pass well over 100 schools in total enrollment with the addition of the Savannah campus, probably in the top 100 public if not low 100's.

Is the savannah campus actually going to be considered the same as the main campus? Or just part of a Georgia Southern University System?

It will be equal to the main campus in every way except size. After 2022, different colleges will be based on different campuses (i.e. Nursing and Chemistry in Savannah/Business, Engineering, and Education in Statesboro) but students will be able to take the same classes and choose their major no matter what campus they are on in order to reduce commuting between the campuses which are ~45 minutes apart. The biggest two positives for Georgia Southern in this merger is it will increase the number of graduate programs we offer and increase our athletic budget since we will be able to charge 8k more students an athletic fee.

Interesting. Only students taking classes in person on the Jonesboro campus pay athletic fees at Arkansas State.

(09-21-2017 04:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:12 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:40 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:17 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  You get to over 30K you are officially one of the big dogs. GS is about to pass well over 100 schools in total enrollment with the addition of the Savannah campus, probably in the top 100 public if not low 100's.

Is the savannah campus actually going to be considered the same as the main campus? Or just part of a Georgia Southern University System?

It will be equal to the main campus in every way except size. After 2022, different colleges will be based on different campuses (i.e. Nursing and Chemistry in Savannah/Business, Engineering, and Education in Statesboro) but students will be able to take the same classes and choose their major no matter what campus they are on in order to reduce commuting between the campuses which are ~45 minutes apart. The biggest two positives for Georgia Southern in this merger is it will increase the number of graduate programs we offer and increase our athletic budget since we will be able to charge 8k more students an athletic fee.

Interesting. Only students taking classes in person on the Jonesboro campus pay athletic fees at Arkansas State.

Future Georgia Southern students on the Savannah campus will pay a reduced athletic fee that covers admission to all sporting events and a provided shuttle service from the Savannah campus to Paulson Stadium for football. Current Armstrong State students have free access to games this year and Georgia Southern has hosted a scrimmage/fan fest on their campus as part of an initiative to welcome them to the Eagle Nation.

(09-21-2017 05:25 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 04:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:12 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:40 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:17 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  You get to over 30K you are officially one of the big dogs. GS is about to pass well over 100 schools in total enrollment with the addition of the Savannah campus, probably in the top 100 public if not low 100's.

Is the savannah campus actually going to be considered the same as the main campus? Or just part of a Georgia Southern University System?

It will be equal to the main campus in every way except size. After 2022, different colleges will be based on different campuses (i.e. Nursing and Chemistry in Savannah/Business, Engineering, and Education in Statesboro) but students will be able to take the same classes and choose their major no matter what campus they are on in order to reduce commuting between the campuses which are ~45 minutes apart. The biggest two positives for Georgia Southern in this merger is it will increase the number of graduate programs we offer and increase our athletic budget since we will be able to charge 8k more students an athletic fee.

Interesting. Only students taking classes in person on the Jonesboro campus pay athletic fees at Arkansas State.

Future Georgia Southern students on the Savannah campus will pay a reduced athletic fee that covers admission to all sporting events and a provided shuttle service from the Savannah campus to Paulson Stadium for football. Current Armstrong State students have free access to games this year and Georgia Southern has hosted a scrimmage/fan fest on their campus as part of an initiative to welcome them to the Eagle Nation.

And I believe they plan to hold some future sporting events at that campus or in Savannah such as a few baseball games, a softball tournament, maybe a basketball game or two. They are trying to strengthen those ties.

(09-21-2017 09:04 AM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 08:41 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  I had no idea UTA's enrollment was higher than ours and Ive attended conferences on their campus..

That begs the question though... Why the hell dont y'all have a football team?

Likely because the vast majority of UTA students are commuters who don't take part in any sort of traditional student life or activities, combined with the other entertainment options available in the Arlington area. At UNT, we have a decent number of commuters as well, but we have far less than UTA and we're also a bit segregated from the rest of the DFW area. I think that is the difference between schools like UNT and Texas State, vs UTA.

I dont know if the VAST % of students are commuters anymore. the campus is abuzz with people and stuff going on at all times. the university has been busy building lots of on campus housing the last 10 years or so but untexas being in Denton on the fringe of the metro area does give it more of a destination of its own feeling. one look at the northbound side of I-35 in the morning and you would see it choked with commuting students heading to denton..many going 20 over the speed limit because they didnt leave home early enough. more likely reason is that the administration is not as focused on athletics as much as maybe at some other schools.

App needed to slow down, we were definitely struggling to house all the students

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(09-21-2017 05:25 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 04:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:12 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:40 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:17 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  You get to over 30K you are officially one of the big dogs. GS is about to pass well over 100 schools in total enrollment with the addition of the Savannah campus, probably in the top 100 public if not low 100's.

Is the savannah campus actually going to be considered the same as the main campus? Or just part of a Georgia Southern University System?

It will be equal to the main campus in every way except size. After 2022, different colleges will be based on different campuses (i.e. Nursing and Chemistry in Savannah/Business, Engineering, and Education in Statesboro) but students will be able to take the same classes and choose their major no matter what campus they are on in order to reduce commuting between the campuses which are ~45 minutes apart. The biggest two positives for Georgia Southern in this merger is it will increase the number of graduate programs we offer and increase our athletic budget since we will be able to charge 8k more students an athletic fee.

Interesting. Only students taking classes in person on the Jonesboro campus pay athletic fees at Arkansas State.

Future Georgia Southern students on the Savannah campus will pay a reduced athletic fee that covers admission to all sporting events and a provided shuttle service from the Savannah campus to Paulson Stadium for football. Current Armstrong State students have free access to games this year and Georgia Southern has hosted a scrimmage/fan fest on their campus as part of an initiative to welcome them to the Eagle Nation.

Are you sure it is reduced, I thought last I read it was going to be the same. Transportation will be provided to all home football games and selected other sporting events throughout the year as well. Either way our budget is going to get about 2.5M+/- boost closer to 3M if it is full fee. That does not include the $40 FBS fee that pays for the student seating expansion (FBS fee).

On a side note looks like GaSt is having to reduce fees due to that law that was past if I am ASSumming right. IIRC you cant have more than 65% of your budget being allocated now. Also GaST-Peremiter students have a completley different fee schedule and only have to pay $38 athletic fee.

(09-22-2017 11:06 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 05:25 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 04:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:12 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:40 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Is the savannah campus actually going to be considered the same as the main campus? Or just part of a Georgia Southern University System?

It will be equal to the main campus in every way except size. After 2022, different colleges will be based on different campuses (i.e. Nursing and Chemistry in Savannah/Business, Engineering, and Education in Statesboro) but students will be able to take the same classes and choose their major no matter what campus they are on in order to reduce commuting between the campuses which are ~45 minutes apart. The biggest two positives for Georgia Southern in this merger is it will increase the number of graduate programs we offer and increase our athletic budget since we will be able to charge 8k more students an athletic fee.

Interesting. Only students taking classes in person on the Jonesboro campus pay athletic fees at Arkansas State.

Future Georgia Southern students on the Savannah campus will pay a reduced athletic fee that covers admission to all sporting events and a provided shuttle service from the Savannah campus to Paulson Stadium for football. Current Armstrong State students have free access to games this year and Georgia Southern has hosted a scrimmage/fan fest on their campus as part of an initiative to welcome them to the Eagle Nation.

Are you sure it is reduced, I thought last I read it was going to be the same. Transportation will be provided to all home football games and selected other sporting events throughout the year as well. Either way our budget is going to get about 2.5M+/- boost closer to 3M if it is full fee. That does not include the $40 FBS fee that pays for the student seating expansion (FBS fee).

On a side note looks like GaSt is having to reduce fees due to that law that was past if I am ASSumming right. IIRC you cant have more than 65% of your budget being allocated now. Also GaST-Peremiter students have a completley different fee schedule and only have to pay $38 athletic fee.

It will not be equivalent to the fee Statesboro based students will pay. It is expected to remain what it is currently for Armstrong. It will be a modest addition to the overall budget but there will continue to be expenses such that it isn't some major "windfall".

Meant to add that the law isn't what is driving this, more so an absolute commitment by the Chancellor to limit the impact of additional fees across the University system on the heels of a tuition hike. There is no appetite for more fees and Dr. Wrigley has been very public in that message.

(09-21-2017 09:04 AM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 08:41 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  I had no idea UTA's enrollment was higher than ours and Ive attended conferences on their campus..

That begs the question though... Why the hell dont y'all have a football team?

And
Likely because the vast majority of UTA students are commuters who don't take part in any sort of traditional student life or activities, combined with the other entertainment options available in the Arlington area. At UNT, we have a decent number of commuters as well, but we have far less than UTA and we're also a bit segregated from the rest of the DFW area. I think that is the difference between schools like UNT and Texas State, vs UTA.

UTA describes itself as a "21st century urban research university." As such, it welcomes students who are residential, near residential, commuters, and online. (If we added the online enrollment to the nearly 42,000 for this fall, the number balloons to well over 50,000 students.) UTA has at least 10,000 to 15,000 students that are on or around campus, and it is a lively place with a lot to do. That said, UTA (as represented by statements from the president) is proud of its highly motivated, hard-working students who travel significant distances to better themselves.

I periodically read similar posts as above from No. Tex fans who stridently try, too eagerly, to describe UTA as commuter and No. Tex as not. Ridiculous. No matter how you slice it or define commuter, there is little commuter difference between the two campuses. Take No. Tex descriptions of UTA with a grain of salt.

Arlington does have a lot of entertainment options and is thoroughly part of the metro area. Denton is a nice college town, but its segregation from the rest of the metroplex is fast coming to a close. Btw, Denton has TWO universities. The other is TWU, Texas Woman's University, which has ferociously resisted attempts by No. Tex to absorb them. They absolutely do not want to be a part of No. Tex or to be governed by No. Tex regents. Btw, if you want to tour the prettier campus in Denton, walk through TWU. Gorgeous.

(09-22-2017 08:06 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 11:06 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 05:25 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 04:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:12 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  It will be equal to the main campus in every way except size. After 2022, different colleges will be based on different campuses (i.e. Nursing and Chemistry in Savannah/Business, Engineering, and Education in Statesboro) but students will be able to take the same classes and choose their major no matter what campus they are on in order to reduce commuting between the campuses which are ~45 minutes apart. The biggest two positives for Georgia Southern in this merger is it will increase the number of graduate programs we offer and increase our athletic budget since we will be able to charge 8k more students an athletic fee.

Interesting. Only students taking classes in person on the Jonesboro campus pay athletic fees at Arkansas State.

Future Georgia Southern students on the Savannah campus will pay a reduced athletic fee that covers admission to all sporting events and a provided shuttle service from the Savannah campus to Paulson Stadium for football. Current Armstrong State students have free access to games this year and Georgia Southern has hosted a scrimmage/fan fest on their campus as part of an initiative to welcome them to the Eagle Nation.

Are you sure it is reduced, I thought last I read it was going to be the same. Transportation will be provided to all home football games and selected other sporting events throughout the year as well. Either way our budget is going to get about 2.5M+/- boost closer to 3M if it is full fee. That does not include the $40 FBS fee that pays for the student seating expansion (FBS fee).

On a side note looks like GaSt is having to reduce fees due to that law that was past if I am ASSumming right. IIRC you cant have more than 65% of your budget being allocated now. Also GaST-Peremiter students have a completley different fee schedule and only have to pay $38 athletic fee.

It will not be equivalent to the fee Statesboro based students will pay. It is expected to remain what it is currently for Armstrong. It will be a modest addition to the overall budget but there will continue to be expenses such that it isn't some major "windfall".

They pay $190 never said it would be a windfall. So if I got this right 6300+/- undergrads X 190 X 2 =2.4M+/- That is basically the entire football staff's base salaries and then some. Does not hurt that is for sure.

(09-22-2017 09:12 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 09:04 AM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 08:41 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  I had no idea UTA's enrollment was higher than ours and Ive attended conferences on their campus..

That begs the question though... Why the hell dont y'all have a football team?

And
Likely because the vast majority of UTA students are commuters who don't take part in any sort of traditional student life or activities, combined with the other entertainment options available in the Arlington area. At UNT, we have a decent number of commuters as well, but we have far less than UTA and we're also a bit segregated from the rest of the DFW area. I think that is the difference between schools like UNT and Texas State, vs UTA.

UTA describes itself as a "21st century urban research university." As such, it welcomes students who are residential, near residential, commuters, and online. (If we added the online enrollment to the nearly 42,000 for this fall, the number balloons to well over 50,000 students.) UTA has at least 10,000 to 15,000 students that are on or around campus, and it is a lively place with a lot to do. That said, UTA (as represented by statements from the president) is proud of its highly motivated, hard-working students who travel significant distances to better themselves.

I periodically read similar posts as above from No. Tex fans who stridently try, too eagerly, to describe UTA as commuter and No. Tex as not. Ridiculous. No matter how you slice it or define commuter, there is little commuter difference between the two campuses. Take No. Tex descriptions of UTA with a grain of salt.

Arlington does have a lot of entertainment options and is thoroughly part of the metro area. Denton is a nice college town, but its segregation from the rest of the metroplex is fast coming to a close. Btw, Denton has TWO universities. The other is TWU, Texas Woman's University, which has ferociously resisted attempts by No. Tex to absorb them. They absolutely do not want to be a part of No. Tex or to be governed by No. Tex regents. Btw, if you want to tour the prettier campus in Denton, walk through TWU. Gorgeous.

C'mon man.

^C'mon man?

First, Last I checked, UTA had more on-campus housing than UNT did. Second, the only reason UNT has more near-campus, private housing is that Denton didn't screw up its downtown like Arlington did. But to that point, the market is rapidly correcting itself as thousands of housing units have been built within a mile of UTA's campus. My own numbers show well over 10,000 students live within a mile of campus and I have seen other estimates over 15,000.

The only non-academic benefit UNT can claim is a football team. Though I'd argue that a 43-105 record with one winning season since 2005 isn't much better than our situation. Otherwise, on a strictly athletic claim, UTA with Jim Baker at the helm is far and away better than when Villareal was running the show. Writing is still on the wall for Wren Baker. AT UTA, we joke that the dominance of our teams over yours caused anyone with a Baker last name to get the gig.

Truth is, anyone claiming that either school is much different is full of bias, aside from academics where UTA is usually ranked ahead in most categories.

Crazy that a school the size of UTA doesn't have football...

(09-29-2017 12:16 PM)_x_ Wrote:  Crazy that a school the size of UTA doesn't have football...

We don't have the nickname "Mavericks" for no reason. :)

(09-29-2017 12:16 PM)_x_ Wrote:  Crazy that a school the size of UTA doesn't have football...

Crazy that a school the size of UNT doesn't have baseball . . .

When they have a winning percentage under 1/3, and a desire to give football more money, it was an easy target.

(09-30-2017 01:59 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  When they have a winning percentage under 1/3, and a desire to give football more money, it was an easy target.

Yeah, I've heard all that. . . . supposedly they've conducted studies into the costs of bringing their baseball program back . . . and at some point say that it may happen.

Being a big baseball fan myself, I hope they bring it back, just like I hope you guys bring back football.

(09-30-2017 06:48 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 01:59 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  When they have a winning percentage under 1/3, and a desire to give football more money, it was an easy target.

Yeah, I've heard all that. . . . supposedly they've conducted studies into the costs of bringing their baseball program back . . . and at some point say that it may happen.

Being a big baseball fan myself, I hope they bring it back, just like I hope you guys bring back football.

I read somewhere that untexas has a deal with a minor league team to do a ballpark on or near the campus and share it. I thought they were in the process of restarting baseball. with maybe 100 high schools in the metro area and a major league team in arlington, you would think they would want a team. as for football at uta, size of the school doesnt matter as much as philosophy of the administration. small schools like tcu and smu and even tulsa and rice have had programs for a hundred years and every year it seems some little school decides to start up a program. my granddaughter is on a swim scholarship at utpb and at 5000 or so students, they decided that having football was just a part of having a complete college experience..altho they are D2 for now. as more of a think tank kind of school I dont hear much of a clamor from the students and fans to restart football and many of us older die hard supporters have just quit worrying about it. it is what it is..as people say.