Louisiana Tech:

L- Miss State
L - at Arkansas
L- at Texas Tech
L - at Kansas St
L - at Miss State
L - at Oklahoma
L - at Auburn
W - Illinois (bowl)
L - at NC State
L - at Kansas
W - at Illinois
W - at Virginia
L - Texas A&M
L- at Miss STate
W- at Ole Miss
L - TCU (bowl)
L - at Tex A&M
L - at Auburn
L - at LSU
W - Miss State
L - at Kansas
L - at Cal
L - at Ole Miss
L - at LSU
L - at Nebraska
L - at Tex A&M
L - at Clemson
L - at Florida
L - at Kansas
L - at Miami
L - at Tennessee
L - at Auburn
L - Miami
W - at Michigan State
L - at LSU
W - Oklahoma St
L - at Clemson
L - at Penn State
L - at Texas A&M

Overall: 7-32
Home: 2-3
Road: 4-28
Bowls: 1-1

(09-14-2017 02:28 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 02:06 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 01:52 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  the point of this is to tell the ArkSt fan, "ditto!"

and also to point out to us, that going FBS does not necessarily mean we reach the pot at the end of the rainbow.

It might be tougher than many think to get home games against P5 members. And is just PLAYING them good enough? Because 1-33 doesn't sound too fun.

I don't want to just schedule teams. I want to win too.

JMU is not ArkSt. 21-16. Give us 85 schollies, and we can compete with many of the regional P5s and often win : UVa, UNC, VT, UMd, USC (fake), Wake, Duke, WVa. None of those are Alabama, and we would have some victories there.

^^+1^^ This underestimating what JMU could/would be is mind blowing to me.

That is what it takes to blow your mind? Woah. Wow.

(09-15-2017 11:23 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:05 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:53 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:05 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 03:50 AM)HMK Wrote:  No university has switch conferences in search of growing their brand any more than ODU. Back in the 80’s they were aligned with us in the ECAC South. In search of better basketball conference, they moved with VCU to the Sun Belt. In 1991 they re-joined our group now named CAA where they started FCS football. Several years ago, in search of big time FBS, ODU joined Conference USA just in time to watch ECU, Houston, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa leave for the American Conference. To survive, Conference USA added Florida Atlantic, Florida International, North Texas, and Western Kentucky. The curb appeal dropped as did CUSA’s TV revenue and Bowl guarantees. On Saturday, ODU hosts UNC, the game is web casted on tweeter while JMU plays at the same time on MASN. Last season, JMU had 3 playoff games televised nationally on ESPN while ODU made ESPN once in their Bahamas Bowl game. ODU has to spend lots of money sending their non-revenue sports teams great distances for CUSA contests in Texas and Louisiana. In addition, the general assembly has capped the amount of student fees designated for athletics making the construction of their highly anticipated new football stadium impossible. Instead, Foreman Field will be renovated at the end of the 2018 season to bring the seating capacity up to 22,000-3,000 less seats than JMU.
Over the last 2 years since hosting GAMEDAY, winning the FCS Championship, and out maneuvering schools like ODU for television coverage, JMU may have actually done things right.

Shhhh! duck your head. People don't like being told the truth around here pertaining to fbs.
There is quite some irony with JMU getting their Norfolk state game on a linear tv channel at the same time odu/unc is on twitter. I also saw they hadn't sold out that game as of earlier this week.

You guys do realize that our own pockets got us the TV deal we have this season. That was not a gift from the TV gods like ESPN. It took a lot of donor push, conference embarrassment, and peer pressure to get JMU to make that deal happen.

Yes, but it happened. Keep your eye on the ball.

In the meantime ODU had to cut $800k+ from their athletic budget, and JMU is in the running to host another ESPN Gameday.

Yes it did happen, I will certainly give credit where its due. ODU has simply not realized that is a route they need to take. One day they too will see the justification behind it, but entering CUSA they thought TV would be a cash making deal rather than have to shell out the cash to get aired.

As for me, I have never once considered TV money to be a factor in a move up and still believe it shouldn't. My reasons to move up are to be with our peers and have three regional OOC FBS games, I love 'em (+1 regional FCS game) every season. Frankly, I can see no benefit to staying put. I do not for one minute think that Ron Carrier was wanting JMU to play football for money it might bring to the bottom line. He was wanting to step away from the association of being another Radford or Longwood and be more like Tech and UVA. He was dreaming big. You are who you associate with. Elon is a fine school but not one JMU should be compared.

Ron Carrier started football for one reason, and one reason only. To improve the number of men who would enroll at Madison, and later JMU. Any suggestion it was "to be more like Tech and UVA" (other than playing more men's sports) is a total falsehood. Ron turned 85 in August, and he's dealing with another recent death in his family, so I suggest we avoid calling on his name to support assertions relative to JMU FB history. However, while I agree that Ron had ambitions, your statement that he aspired that JMU would one day mirror UVA is a gross distortion of his intentions about starting FB at then Madison College.

As far as your comment that JMU should not be compared to Elon I'd like you to explain why you feel that way. Is it that Elon's name strikes you as funny? Is it your unfamiliarity with Elon's academics, size or campus? CAA association with Elon is hardly a mark of shame, anymore than is JMU's play against SBU or Albany. While we can agree that JMU is a public uni, supports a larger student body, and has been more successful in FB than Elon, you're point escapes me. You're right that Elon is a fine school, and as long as JMU is part of the CAA, what's the problem? Or is that what you're really complaining about? JMU in the CAA?

(09-15-2017 06:29 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 11:23 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:05 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:53 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:05 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Shhhh! duck your head. People don't like being told the truth around here pertaining to fbs.
There is quite some irony with JMU getting their Norfolk state game on a linear tv channel at the same time odu/unc is on twitter. I also saw they hadn't sold out that game as of earlier this week.

You guys do realize that our own pockets got us the TV deal we have this season. That was not a gift from the TV gods like ESPN. It took a lot of donor push, conference embarrassment, and peer pressure to get JMU to make that deal happen.

Yes, but it happened. Keep your eye on the ball.

In the meantime ODU had to cut $800k+ from their athletic budget, and JMU is in the running to host another ESPN Gameday.

Yes it did happen, I will certainly give credit where its due. ODU has simply not realized that is a route they need to take. One day they too will see the justification behind it, but entering CUSA they thought TV would be a cash making deal rather than have to shell out the cash to get aired.

As for me, I have never once considered TV money to be a factor in a move up and still believe it shouldn't. My reasons to move up are to be with our peers and have three regional OOC FBS games, I love 'em (+1 regional FCS game) every season. Frankly, I can see no benefit to staying put. I do not for one minute think that Ron Carrier was wanting JMU to play football for money it might bring to the bottom line. He was wanting to step away from the association of being another Radford or Longwood and be more like Tech and UVA. He was dreaming big. You are who you associate with. Elon is a fine school but not one JMU should be compared.

Ron Carrier started football for one reason, and one reason only. To improve the number of men who would enroll at Madison, and later JMU. Any suggestion it was "to be more like Tech and UVA" (other than playing more men's sports) is a total falsehood. Ron turned 85 in August, and he's dealing with another recent death in his family, so I suggest we avoid calling on his name to support assertions relative to JMU FB history. However, while I agree that Ron had ambitions, your statement that he aspired that JMU would one day mirror UVA is a gross distortion of his intentions about starting FB at then Madison College.

As far as your comment that JMU should not be compared to Elon I'd like you to explain why you feel that way. Is it that Elon's name strikes you as funny? Is it your unfamiliarity with Elon's academics, size or campus? CAA association with Elon is hardly a mark of shame, anymore than is JMU's play against SBU or Albany. While we can agree that JMU is a public uni, supports a larger student body, and has been more successful in FB than Elon, you're point escapes me. You're right that Elon is a fine school, and as long as JMU is part of the CAA, what's the problem? Or is that what you're really complaining about? JMU in the CAA?

I'm not sure of your point in telling me about a recent death in his family, but thanks for sharing. As far as Elon, I was raised in Henry County which is on the VA/NC border. Elon is very close to my home. It was a school which many of my very close friends (approx. 25) are alumni.

There was one single common denominator in which each and every one attended. It was the only school in which they were accepted. No, they didn't apply to JMU, Tech, UVA, nor W&M, no need to, they would not have been accepted. This group had one single goal and that was to attend and graduate from a college, any college.

Elon may very well have made a move to raise their academic profile. Heck, by the way things have been shaping up they may have reached the level of JMU, in my eyes, that is very sad. What the heck, JMU is now shown as a peer of Christopher Newport, which I had never even heard of until the last five years or so. I guess if you say all these schools should be considered JMU's peer, then there is nothing I can do but accept it.

(09-15-2017 07:05 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 06:29 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 11:23 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:05 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:53 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  You guys do realize that our own pockets got us the TV deal we have this season. That was not a gift from the TV gods like ESPN. It took a lot of donor push, conference embarrassment, and peer pressure to get JMU to make that deal happen.

Yes, but it happened. Keep your eye on the ball.

In the meantime ODU had to cut $800k+ from their athletic budget, and JMU is in the running to host another ESPN Gameday.

Yes it did happen, I will certainly give credit where its due. ODU has simply not realized that is a route they need to take. One day they too will see the justification behind it, but entering CUSA they thought TV would be a cash making deal rather than have to shell out the cash to get aired.

As for me, I have never once considered TV money to be a factor in a move up and still believe it shouldn't. My reasons to move up are to be with our peers and have three regional OOC FBS games, I love 'em (+1 regional FCS game) every season. Frankly, I can see no benefit to staying put. I do not for one minute think that Ron Carrier was wanting JMU to play football for money it might bring to the bottom line. He was wanting to step away from the association of being another Radford or Longwood and be more like Tech and UVA. He was dreaming big. You are who you associate with. Elon is a fine school but not one JMU should be compared.

Ron Carrier started football for one reason, and one reason only. To improve the number of men who would enroll at Madison, and later JMU. Any suggestion it was "to be more like Tech and UVA" (other than playing more men's sports) is a total falsehood. Ron turned 85 in August, and he's dealing with another recent death in his family, so I suggest we avoid calling on his name to support assertions relative to JMU FB history. However, while I agree that Ron had ambitions, your statement that he aspired that JMU would one day mirror UVA is a gross distortion of his intentions about starting FB at then Madison College.

As far as your comment that JMU should not be compared to Elon I'd like you to explain why you feel that way. Is it that Elon's name strikes you as funny? Is it your unfamiliarity with Elon's academics, size or campus? CAA association with Elon is hardly a mark of shame, anymore than is JMU's play against SBU or Albany. While we can agree that JMU is a public uni, supports a larger student body, and has been more successful in FB than Elon, you're point escapes me. You're right that Elon is a fine school, and as long as JMU is part of the CAA, what's the problem? Or is that what you're really complaining about? JMU in the CAA?

I'm not sure of your point in telling me about a recent death in his family, but thanks for sharing. As far as Elon, I was raise in Henry County which is on the VA/NC border. Elon is very close to my home. It was a school which many of my very close friends (approx. 25) are alumni.

There was one single common denominator in which each and every one attended. It was the only school in which they were accepted. No, they didn't apply to JMU, Tech, UVA, nor W&M, no need to, they would not have been accepted. This group had one single goal and that was to attend and graduate from a college, any college.

Elon may very well have made a move to raise their academic profile. Heck, by the way things have been shaping up they may have reached the level of JMU, in my eyes, that is very sad. What the heck, JMU is now shown as a peer of Christopher Newport, which I had never even heard of until the last five years or so. I guess if you say all these schools should be considered JMU's peer, then there is nothing I can do but accept it.

Yet another school....Once again, all these other schools were able to suddenly turn on the jets and raise their academic profile. As usual, we are the outlier and were unable.

Not sure where to put this, but watching the Arizona/UTEP game. JMU would be handling UTEP at least as easily as AZ is,

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UTEP would lose to ECU by 3 tds

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(09-15-2017 11:23 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:05 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:53 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:05 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 03:50 AM)HMK Wrote:  No university has switch conferences in search of growing their brand any more than ODU. Back in the 80’s they were aligned with us in the ECAC South. In search of better basketball conference, they moved with VCU to the Sun Belt. In 1991 they re-joined our group now named CAA where they started FCS football. Several years ago, in search of big time FBS, ODU joined Conference USA just in time to watch ECU, Houston, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa leave for the American Conference. To survive, Conference USA added Florida Atlantic, Florida International, North Texas, and Western Kentucky. The curb appeal dropped as did CUSA’s TV revenue and Bowl guarantees. On Saturday, ODU hosts UNC, the game is web casted on tweeter while JMU plays at the same time on MASN. Last season, JMU had 3 playoff games televised nationally on ESPN while ODU made ESPN once in their Bahamas Bowl game. ODU has to spend lots of money sending their non-revenue sports teams great distances for CUSA contests in Texas and Louisiana. In addition, the general assembly has capped the amount of student fees designated for athletics making the construction of their highly anticipated new football stadium impossible. Instead, Foreman Field will be renovated at the end of the 2018 season to bring the seating capacity up to 22,000-3,000 less seats than JMU.
Over the last 2 years since hosting GAMEDAY, winning the FCS Championship, and out maneuvering schools like ODU for television coverage, JMU may have actually done things right.

Shhhh! duck your head. People don't like being told the truth around here pertaining to fbs.
There is quite some irony with JMU getting their Norfolk state game on a linear tv channel at the same time odu/unc is on twitter. I also saw they hadn't sold out that game as of earlier this week.

You guys do realize that our own pockets got us the TV deal we have this season. That was not a gift from the TV gods like ESPN. It took a lot of donor push, conference embarrassment, and peer pressure to get JMU to make that deal happen.

Yes, but it happened. Keep your eye on the ball.

In the meantime ODU had to cut $800k+ from their athletic budget, and JMU is in the running to host another ESPN Gameday.

Yes it did happen, I will certainly give credit where its due. ODU has simply not realized that is a route they need to take. One day they too will see the justification behind it, but entering CUSA they thought TV would be a cash making deal rather than have to shell out the cash to get aired.

As for me, I have never once considered TV money to be a factor in a move up and still believe it shouldn't. My reasons to move up are to be with our peers and have three regional OOC FBS games, I love 'em (+1 regional FCS game) every season. Frankly, I can see no benefit to staying put. I do not for one minute think that Ron Carrier was wanting JMU to play football for money it might bring to the bottom line. He was wanting to step away from the association of being another Radford or Longwood and be more like Tech and UVA. He was dreaming big. You are who you associate with. Elon is a fine school but not one JMU should be compared.

Twitter has over 400 million active users and is free. MASN2 is available in about three states and only with some sort of upgraded package. It's debatable which game will reach a wider audience.

(09-16-2017 09:39 AM)White Hall Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 11:23 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:05 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:53 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:05 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Shhhh! duck your head. People don't like being told the truth around here pertaining to fbs.
There is quite some irony with JMU getting their Norfolk state game on a linear tv channel at the same time odu/unc is on twitter. I also saw they hadn't sold out that game as of earlier this week.

You guys do realize that our own pockets got us the TV deal we have this season. That was not a gift from the TV gods like ESPN. It took a lot of donor push, conference embarrassment, and peer pressure to get JMU to make that deal happen.

Yes, but it happened. Keep your eye on the ball.

In the meantime ODU had to cut $800k+ from their athletic budget, and JMU is in the running to host another ESPN Gameday.

Yes it did happen, I will certainly give credit where its due. ODU has simply not realized that is a route they need to take. One day they too will see the justification behind it, but entering CUSA they thought TV would be a cash making deal rather than have to shell out the cash to get aired.

As for me, I have never once considered TV money to be a factor in a move up and still believe it shouldn't. My reasons to move up are to be with our peers and have three regional OOC FBS games, I love 'em (+1 regional FCS game) every season. Frankly, I can see no benefit to staying put. I do not for one minute think that Ron Carrier was wanting JMU to play football for money it might bring to the bottom line. He was wanting to step away from the association of being another Radford or Longwood and be more like Tech and UVA. He was dreaming big. You are who you associate with. Elon is a fine school but not one JMU should be compared.

Twitter has over 400 million active users and is free. MASN2 is available in about three states and only with some sort of upgraded package. It's debatable which game will reach a wider audience.

UNC vs ODU is on ESPN3 today, along with Citadel vs ETSU, ND vs SD, #10 Wisconsin vs BYU, #9 OSU vs Pitt

I'm thankful we got MASN, but think the same content aired on ESPN3 would be as good and maybe better in terms of reaching football viewers. Instead we got Stretch because Joey's two buddies wanted the kickback/commission on that deal.

Update: ODU's official twitter account says the game is on ESPN3, but it looks like it may be on Stadium instead.

(09-15-2017 08:05 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:53 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:05 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 03:50 AM)HMK Wrote:  No university has switch conferences in search of growing their brand any more than ODU. Back in the 80’s they were aligned with us in the ECAC South. In search of better basketball conference, they moved with VCU to the Sun Belt. In 1991 they re-joined our group now named CAA where they started FCS football. Several years ago, in search of big time FBS, ODU joined Conference USA just in time to watch ECU, Houston, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa leave for the American Conference. To survive, Conference USA added Florida Atlantic, Florida International, North Texas, and Western Kentucky. The curb appeal dropped as did CUSA’s TV revenue and Bowl guarantees. On Saturday, ODU hosts UNC, the game is web casted on tweeter while JMU plays at the same time on MASN. Last season, JMU had 3 playoff games televised nationally on ESPN while ODU made ESPN once in their Bahamas Bowl game. ODU has to spend lots of money sending their non-revenue sports teams great distances for CUSA contests in Texas and Louisiana. In addition, the general assembly has capped the amount of student fees designated for athletics making the construction of their highly anticipated new football stadium impossible. Instead, Foreman Field will be renovated at the end of the 2018 season to bring the seating capacity up to 22,000-3,000 less seats than JMU.
Over the last 2 years since hosting GAMEDAY, winning the FCS Championship, and out maneuvering schools like ODU for television coverage, JMU may have actually done things right.

Shhhh! duck your head. People don't like being told the truth around here pertaining to fbs.
There is quite some irony with JMU getting their Norfolk state game on a linear tv channel at the same time odu/unc is on twitter. I also saw they hadn't sold out that game as of earlier this week.

You guys do realize that our own pockets got us the TV deal we have this season. That was not a gift from the TV gods like ESPN. It took a lot of donor push, conference embarrassment, and peer pressure to get JMU to make that deal happen.

Yes, but it happened. Keep your eye on the ball.

In the meantime ODU had to cut $800k+ from their athletic budget, and JMU is in the running to host another ESPN Gameday.

Guys, guys, guys. Please stop these posts of factual information. There are too many on these boards who prefer to discredit our administration while admiring administrations of our peers for spending millions to accomplish nothing. Your factual posts only serve to undermine their emotional and illogical rants.

ODU played another ACC team today and while the result was another resounding defeat, they did play the entire 60 minutes this time. Good job ODU. I am sure your alumni are so proud.

(09-14-2017 02:51 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  When we played WVU in 2012, it was a 42-14 loss. Those types of years would happen ... but if we had them on the schedule this year ...

JMU had 614 yards offense against ECU.
WVU had 619 yards offense against ECU.

JMU held ECU to 14 points, 7 of them were last minute garbage time.
WVU held ECU to 20 points.

We might not have won against WVU, but this year it sure would have been a dog fight, and a fun game to watch. And thats *before* we have the advantages of FBS schollies and recruiting.

I can't stand The Who but lets take a look deeper than that.

JMU played their starters the whooooole game and never took their foot off the gas. Hence the 13 points in the 4th quarter to give yourself the 20 point win.

Where as WVU pulled almost every starter they had at the end of the 3rd quarter and already had the 56 points they scored in the game on the board, 49 of it coming in the 1st half.

WVU would beat JMU by 28 at least and this again is coming from someone who can't stand the Morganholers.

(09-17-2017 10:46 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 02:51 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  When we played WVU in 2012, it was a 42-14 loss. Those types of years would happen ... but if we had them on the schedule this year ...

JMU had 614 yards offense against ECU.
WVU had 619 yards offense against ECU.

JMU held ECU to 14 points, 7 of them were last minute garbage time.
WVU held ECU to 20 points.

We might not have won against WVU, but this year it sure would have been a dog fight, and a fun game to watch. And thats *before* we have the advantages of FBS schollies and recruiting.

I can't stand The Who but lets take a look deeper than that.

JMU played their starters the whooooole game and never took their foot off the gas. Hence the 13 points in the 4th quarter to give yourself the 20 point win.

Where as WVU pulled almost every starter they had at the end of the 3rd quarter and already had the 56 points they scored in the game on the board, 49 of it coming in the 1st half.

WVU would beat JMU by 28 at least and this again is coming from someone who can't stand the Morganholers.

Too bad JMU isn't playing Marshall this year, then you could see for yourself. If Marshall's administration (as rumored) had not nixed JMU joining CUSA an annual
contest would be a reality by now.

(09-17-2017 10:46 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 02:51 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  When we played WVU in 2012, it was a 42-14 loss. Those types of years would happen ... but if we had them on the schedule this year ...

JMU had 614 yards offense against ECU.
WVU had 619 yards offense against ECU.

JMU held ECU to 14 points, 7 of them were last minute garbage time.
WVU held ECU to 20 points.

We might not have won against WVU, but this year it sure would have been a dog fight, and a fun game to watch. And thats *before* we have the advantages of FBS schollies and recruiting.

I can't stand The Who but lets take a look deeper than that.

JMU played their starters the whooooole game and never took their foot off the gas. Hence the 13 points in the 4th quarter to give yourself the 20 point win.

Where as WVU pulled almost every starter they had at the end of the 3rd quarter and already had the 56 points they scored in the game on the board, 49 of it coming in the 1st half.

WVU would beat JMU by 28 at least and this again is coming from someone who can't stand the Morganholers.

the real question is, how bad would JMU beat Marshall this year?

next question would be, at what point would the backups for JMU get in the game? 3rd? 4th quarter?

let's also consider in the pointlessness of the MU comments,

WVU got to play at home.
WVU has 22 more 'ships
WVU played after JMU demoralized ECU

IF JMU played WVU this year, of course, as always, the game would be on the road for JMU

I've already shown all the statistics necessary to prove that the win % of G5 and FCS programs on the ROAD against P5 is pretty much the same. Both are dismal.

but let's continue to ignore the home field advantage that the P5's almost always have in these games.

(09-17-2017 10:59 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Too bad JMU isn't playing Marshall this year, then you could see for yourself. If Marshall's administration (as rumored) had not nixed JMU joining CUSA an annual
contest would be a reality by now.

Again you read to much of Harry Minium, who for some reason has had a beef with Marshall ever since ODU got in CUSA. Both Dr Kopp (Marshall's President from 2005-2014, his death) and Mike Hamrick pushed for the group of ODU, Delaware and JMU to join CUSA before the eventual adds of ODU, UTSA and WKU. So tell me why Dr Kopp and Mike Hamrick just weeks later would turn around and say yes to ODU and poke their finger at JMU and say "No No No". If it doesn't sound or look right, then it probably isn't.

(09-17-2017 10:46 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 02:51 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  When we played WVU in 2012, it was a 42-14 loss. Those types of years would happen ... but if we had them on the schedule this year ...

JMU had 614 yards offense against ECU.
WVU had 619 yards offense against ECU.

JMU held ECU to 14 points, 7 of them were last minute garbage time.
WVU held ECU to 20 points.

We might not have won against WVU, but this year it sure would have been a dog fight, and a fun game to watch. And thats *before* we have the advantages of FBS schollies and recruiting.

I can't stand The Who but lets take a look deeper than that.

JMU played their starters the whooooole game and never took their foot off the gas. Hence the 13 points in the 4th quarter to give yourself the 20 point win.

Where as WVU pulled almost every starter they had at the end of the 3rd quarter and already had the 56 points they scored in the game on the board, 49 of it coming in the 1st half.

WVU would beat JMU by 28 at least and this again is coming from someone who can't stand the Morganholers.

Wrong, JMU had their 2nd/3rd string defense in on ECU's last possession when they drove the field to score a garbage time TD with 23 seconds left..

JMU also had a 1/2 doz players suspended, including their pre season All American TE and All CAA WR..

Heck, a VT team that beat WVU by a TD only beat Delaware by 27. WVU would beat JMU, but JMU could certainly play them closer than 28..

(09-19-2017 07:09 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 10:46 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 02:51 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  When we played WVU in 2012, it was a 42-14 loss. Those types of years would happen ... but if we had them on the schedule this year ...

JMU had 614 yards offense against ECU.
WVU had 619 yards offense against ECU.

JMU held ECU to 14 points, 7 of them were last minute garbage time.
WVU held ECU to 20 points.

We might not have won against WVU, but this year it sure would have been a dog fight, and a fun game to watch. And thats *before* we have the advantages of FBS schollies and recruiting.

I can't stand The Who but lets take a look deeper than that.

JMU played their starters the whooooole game and never took their foot off the gas. Hence the 13 points in the 4th quarter to give yourself the 20 point win.

Where as WVU pulled almost every starter they had at the end of the 3rd quarter and already had the 56 points they scored in the game on the board, 49 of it coming in the 1st half.

WVU would beat JMU by 28 at least and this again is coming from someone who can't stand the Morganholers.

Wrong, JMU had their 2nd/3rd string defense in on ECU's last possession when they drove the field to score a garbage time TD with 23 seconds left..

JMU also had a 1/2 doz players suspended, including their pre season All American TE and All CAA WR..

Heck, a VT team that beat WVU by a TD only beat Delaware by 27. WVU would beat JMU, but JMU could certainly play them closer than 28..

The transitive property is not your friend in this discussion. Sure, VT beat WVU by a touchdown... look out of sync, but still beat Delaware 27-0... then destroyed ECU 64-17.

I think comparing common opponents with VT this year will be futile experience, even if JMU beats the snot out of Delaware. Given that the Delaware game was Josh Jackson's second career start, he's surrounded by a group of mostly young skill players on offense, early season kinks are not unexpected.

JMU had the benefit of largely returning the majority of its national championship winning squad and may be even better in some respects given the additions of transfers. We're talking apples & oranges here in a lot of ways.

(09-20-2017 07:47 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 07:09 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 10:46 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 02:51 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  When we played WVU in 2012, it was a 42-14 loss. Those types of years would happen ... but if we had them on the schedule this year ...

JMU had 614 yards offense against ECU.
WVU had 619 yards offense against ECU.

JMU held ECU to 14 points, 7 of them were last minute garbage time.
WVU held ECU to 20 points.

We might not have won against WVU, but this year it sure would have been a dog fight, and a fun game to watch. And thats *before* we have the advantages of FBS schollies and recruiting.

I can't stand The Who but lets take a look deeper than that.

JMU played their starters the whooooole game and never took their foot off the gas. Hence the 13 points in the 4th quarter to give yourself the 20 point win.

Where as WVU pulled almost every starter they had at the end of the 3rd quarter and already had the 56 points they scored in the game on the board, 49 of it coming in the 1st half.

WVU would beat JMU by 28 at least and this again is coming from someone who can't stand the Morganholers.

Wrong, JMU had their 2nd/3rd string defense in on ECU's last possession when they drove the field to score a garbage time TD with 23 seconds left..

JMU also had a 1/2 doz players suspended, including their pre season All American TE and All CAA WR..

Heck, a VT team that beat WVU by a TD only beat Delaware by 27. WVU would beat JMU, but JMU could certainly play them closer than 28..

The transitive property is not your friend in this discussion. Sure, VT beat WVU by a touchdown... look out of sync, but still beat Delaware 27-0... then destroyed ECU 64-17.

I think comparing common opponents with VT this year will be futile experience, even if JMU beats the snot out of Delaware. Given that the Delaware game was Josh Jackson's second career start, he's surrounded by a group of mostly young skill players on offense, early season kinks are not unexpected.

JMU had the benefit of largely returning the majority of its national championship winning squad and may be even better in some respects given the additions of transfers. We're talking apples & oranges here in a lot of ways.

Actually going by the JMU/ECU and WVU/ECU games (56-20) transitive (WVU +16) is right about where I think JMU could hang within (2-3 TDs) on a neutral field. Yeah WVU was up at the half 49-3 but I think ECU had just flat out quit and were more of a dumpster fire going into the WVU game than the JMU game. I think JMU could play WVU closer than in 2012 (42-12). JMU is head and shoulders better than the 2012 team, and I'm not sure how much better WVU is than their 2012 team that had Geno Smith and Tavon Austin among others.

JMU lost almost half the starters from the the NC team. Vs ECU JMU only had a doz players who started most of last season. Defense had 9 starters back from the NC team (8 from the playoffs), but on offense only 3 players who were starters for most of last season (Schor, Stinnie, Bolden) with a 4th (Miller) who started the semis & NC (for Alls).

Agree are better in some ways (defensively) and are talking apples and oranges. The point I'm trying to make is I think JMU could hang within a few TDs of some of the bottom of the Top 25/just outside of teams (I just looked up and see WVU is the top vote getting outside the top 25 in both polls).