(09-18-2017 11:57 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:40 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  It is extremely rare for any one team to have great players on both sides of the ball... I mean even the Alabama's or UT's offenses of the world can really put up a sleep fest most years while their defenses create turnovers or even score touchdowns before their offense see the field.

I agree more often than not the team with the good defense will win it all. Clemson didn't win until they improved their defense last year.

Exactly

We've seen our fair share of good offenses with Keenum n Ward go MIA when when facing solid defenses... Brutal

One thing that would always annoy me during the keenum years was that we were more often than not having to outscore our opponents. I remember just getting sacks was a minor miracle.

Heck i remember one game against Memphis were their running back literally had i think two 60+ yard rushing td's. At one point he was literally able to run over the entire pile of d linemen because they were so bad at tackling.

I also remember him eventually getting too tired to keep running and since it was raining Memphis basically had no offense the rest of the game lol.

I would personally say Defense. Just my honest opinion.

(09-19-2017 06:57 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  I would personally say Defense. Just my honest opinion.

It definitely wasn't the offense that stopped the 2015 coogs.

Offense. The objective is to score more points than your opponent.

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(09-19-2017 09:00 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 06:57 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  I would personally say Defense. Just my honest opinion.

It definitely wasn't the offense that stopped the 2015 coogs.

You got that right lol


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There is not one way to win championships. It's a false dichotomy. I'd say the championship teams are at least really good at both, but often excel in one or the other.

(09-19-2017 10:02 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  There is not one way to win championships. It's a false dichotomy. I'd say the championship teams are at least really good at both, but often excel in one or the other.

But see the problem with that is if you have a really good offense but a really bad defense you will never win big. But if you have a really good defense and a really bad offense you still have a great shot at winning big. The 1980 bears proved that.

In the NFL you have to be really good at one or the other. Of the last 10 SB champions, eight have been top 5 in either Scoring Offense or Scoring Defense. Only the 2 NY Giants championship team werent.

(09-19-2017 10:22 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  In the NFL you have to be really good at one or the other. Of the last 10 SB champions, eight have been top 5 in either Scoring Offense or Scoring Defense. Only the 2 NY Giants championship team werent.

Thats a nice stat, now tell me what the sb record is for a top 5 defense playing a top 5 offense. The Defense like pavement vs motorcycle rider is undefeated. It gets ugly for the number 1 defense vs number 1 offense in the superbowl.

And hood rich, your right, the object is to score more points, but if you never score and i get a safety because my team is so dominate, guess what? 2-0 i win. If the other team can't score they can never win. Great defense means championships.

If we score we may win. If they never score we never lose.

Need to further define. The last two "playoff" championship games had the losing team had a score of at least 31 points. It can be argued that "Bama and Clemson each have top defenses yet gave up tons of points to even better offenses.

Consider the two years ago, when 'Bama beat Clemson 45 to 40, that 'Bama shut out MSU in the semifinal game and Clemson only gave up 17 points to Oklahoma. So to get ot the championship game, defense played a huge role. Not so much against the top offenses they each faced in the championship game.

The moral (IMO), is stopping lessor offenses gets you to the championship game but you better be able to score to win it.

The answer is Alabama...Alabama wins football championships.

(09-19-2017 11:46 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 10:22 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  In the NFL you have to be really good at one or the other. Of the last 10 SB champions, eight have been top 5 in either Scoring Offense or Scoring Defense. Only the 2 NY Giants championship team werent.

Thats a nice stat, now tell me what the sb record is for a top 5 defense playing a top 5 offense. The Defense like pavement vs motorcycle rider is undefeated. It gets ugly for the number 1 defense vs number 1 offense in the superbowl.

And hood rich, your right, the object is to score more points, but if you never score and i get a safety because my team is so dominate, guess what? 2-0 i win. If the other team can't score they can never win. Great defense means championships.

2016, NE was top 5 in off and def scoring.

2015, Carolina was top 5 in both. Denver top 5 defense

2014, NE was the number 1 offense; Seattle the number 1 defense. NE WIN!

2013, Seattle number 1 defense(8th offense); Denver number 1 Offense. SEA WIN!!!

2012, Both Baltimore and SF were top 5 defenses

2011, The Giants were neither(7th in offense/ 17th Defense) and won.

2010, Both GB(7th offense) and Pit were top 5 Defenses

2009, NO was the number 1 offense. Indy was not top 5 offense or defense.

2008, Pitt was top 5 defense; AZ top 5 offense, PITT Wins.

2007, NYG was neither(14th in both....how did they win that year)

So in 10 years they've faced off three times and defenses are 2-1. So 2 out of 10 times a top 5 defense beat a top 5 offense without also being a top 5 offense themselves.

Sound like a small sample set with a ton of statistical noise. My original stat is better. Be really good at one side of the ball and not a trainwreck on the other side and you have a good chance. Or be the New York Giants.

Defense. Example Peyton Manning. Some consider him one of the greatest QB's of all time but he only won two rings. He got one ring playing for the Colts with that great offense and terrible defense. The other ring was with the Broncos when he could barely throw the ball ten yards but they had great defense. He got one in 4 years with the Broncos vs one ring in 13 years with Colts.

(09-19-2017 01:23 PM)Crazier Wrote:  Defense. Example Peyton Manning. Some consider him one of the greatest QB's of all time but he only won two rings. He got one ring playing for the Colts with that great offense and terrible defense. The other ring was with the Broncos when he could barely throw the ball ten yards but they had great defense. He got one in 4 years with the Broncos vs one ring in 13 years with Colts.

He lost 2 Super Bowls. The first to one of the greatest offenses in the history of the NFL and the second to one of the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL.

Be really good at one of the two and not a trainwreck on the other side of the ball.

(09-19-2017 01:17 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 11:46 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 10:22 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  In the NFL you have to be really good at one or the other. Of the last 10 SB champions, eight have been top 5 in either Scoring Offense or Scoring Defense. Only the 2 NY Giants championship team werent.

Thats a nice stat, now tell me what the sb record is for a top 5 defense playing a top 5 offense. The Defense like pavement vs motorcycle rider is undefeated. It gets ugly for the number 1 defense vs number 1 offense in the superbowl.

And hood rich, your right, the object is to score more points, but if you never score and i get a safety because my team is so dominate, guess what? 2-0 i win. If the other team can't score they can never win. Great defense means championships.

2016, NE was top 5 in off and def scoring.

2015, Carolina was top 5 in both. Denver top 5 defense

2014, NE was the number 1 offense; Seattle the number 1 defense. NE WIN!

2013, Seattle number 1 defense(8th offense); Denver number 1 Offense. SEA WIN!!!

2012, Both Baltimore and SF were top 5 defenses

2011, The Giants were neither(7th in offense/ 17th Defense) and won.

2010, Both GB(7th offense) and Pit were top 5 Defenses

2009, NO was the number 1 offense. Indy was not top 5 offense or defense.

2008, Pitt was top 5 defense; AZ top 5 offense, PITT Wins.

2007, NYG was neither(14th in both....how did they win that year)

So in 10 years they've faced off three times and defenses are 2-1. So 2 out of 10 times a top 5 defense beat a top 5 offense without also being a top 5 offense themselves.

Sound like a small sample set with a ton of statistical noise. My original stat is better. Be really good at one side of the ball and not a trainwreck on the other side and you have a good chance. Or be the New York Giants.

If you go all the way back you will find that ne is the only team to do that. By the way what was their defensive rank that year? Top 10 in every catagory, and seattle still should have won, who throws on 4th when you have lynch????

(09-18-2017 07:36 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  A stout defense will absolutely shutdown any offense

I say Defense wins championships


What say you??

Good teams & good coaches with a good plan. And good teams have a good offense & usually a great defense.

The answer is clearly Rocky Long. Rocky Long wins championships.

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