(09-19-2017 09:11 PM)cpawfan Wrote:  A few of these programs could be a monster with the right coach. If Tennessee fires Butch and hires Toledo's coach, they're fight for an SEC title in year one because of the talent Butch has recruited, but is incapable of properly coaching.

LSU made a huge error and Arkansas needs a new coach yesterday.

Agreed.

Georgia and Tennessee are sleeping giants. Their fanbases are as big as Penn State or Oklahoma, and they've got better recruiting territory. All it takes is the right coach, and they've got money to burn to find the right guy.

(09-20-2017 10:42 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 09:11 PM)cpawfan Wrote:  A few of these programs could be a monster with the right coach. If Tennessee fires Butch and hires Toledo's coach, they're fight for an SEC title in year one because of the talent Butch has recruited, but is incapable of properly coaching.

LSU made a huge error and Arkansas needs a new coach yesterday.

Agreed.

Georgia and Tennessee are sleeping giants. Their fanbases are as big as Penn State or Oklahoma, and they've got better recruiting territory. All it takes is the right coach, and they've got money to burn to find the right guy.

I don't disagree that Tennessee and georgia have big potential (particular Georgia, which has been a great program for most the last decade plus). However, I'd argue Penn State and Oklahoma both have better recruiting territory than Tennessee. Oklahoma kills it in Texas, Pennsylvania is a great recruiting state as is Ohio. Don't sell where those programs get to recruit from short.

Georgia is the one who I've always thought was an underachiever. For the amount of high level NFL players they've produced they haven't been to nearly enough SEC title games and big bowls. With Florida struggling they should be in the SEC title game regularly considering their talent. Plus Athens is a cool city. LSU I'd say the same except their in Sabans division but they still probably should've had a little more success than they have against Saban. Both of these are top 10 jobs given the right coach.

Historically

Tennessee has averaged 8.375 Wins 3.75 losses
Georgia 7.97 4.18
Oklahoma 8.72 3.21
PSU 8.67 3.85

(09-20-2017 01:09 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Historically

Tennessee has averaged 8.375 Wins 3.75 losses
Georgia 7.97 4.18
Oklahoma 8.72 3.21
PSU 8.67 3.85

Yes, historically they haven't been as good. But they used to be tiny backwater states with no money. Then they grew. Today, Tennessee and Georgia both have top-10 attendance in CFB.

Population in 1950
PA - 10.5
GA - 3.4 (33% of PA)
TN - 3.3 (31% of PA)

Population in 2016
PA - 12.7
GA - 10.3 (81% of PA)
TN - 6.7 (53% of PA)

(09-20-2017 11:06 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 10:42 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 09:11 PM)cpawfan Wrote:  A few of these programs could be a monster with the right coach. If Tennessee fires Butch and hires Toledo's coach, they're fight for an SEC title in year one because of the talent Butch has recruited, but is incapable of properly coaching.

LSU made a huge error and Arkansas needs a new coach yesterday.

Agreed.

Georgia and Tennessee are sleeping giants. Their fanbases are as big as Penn State or Oklahoma, and they've got better recruiting territory. All it takes is the right coach, and they've got money to burn to find the right guy.

I don't disagree that Tennessee and georgia have big potential (particular Georgia, which has been a great program for most the last decade plus). However, I'd argue Penn State and Oklahoma both have better recruiting territory than Tennessee. Oklahoma kills it in Texas, Pennsylvania is a great recruiting state as is Ohio. Don't sell where those programs get to recruit from short.

The state of Tennessee is absolutely exploding talent-wise. And so is the overall population especially Nashville, Murfreesboro and even now Knoxville. 10 years ago you were lucky if there were 6 or 7 4-star type guys a year in that state. Now they are pushing 20 or so every year and looking ahead to the classes coming up its going to be even more. It's well on its way to surpassing states like Ohio in producing talent and will likely end up being similar to the state of Georgia in the next 15-20 years.

One other thing that helps Tennessee geographically (especially in proximity to where UT is located) is they border so many other states that produce big-time talent (North Carolina, Georgia, Virginia, etc.) They absolutely have a better recruiting base than Oklahoma, while Oklahoma has Texas their in-state talent is brutal as is the other bordering states and TN borders a ton of talent rich states that I mentioned above.

If them or Georgia ever get the right coach in there they could have monster programs. Maybe Smart will be that guy for Georgia, too early to tell.

(09-20-2017 11:06 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 10:42 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 09:11 PM)cpawfan Wrote:  A few of these programs could be a monster with the right coach. If Tennessee fires Butch and hires Toledo's coach, they're fight for an SEC title in year one because of the talent Butch has recruited, but is incapable of properly coaching.

LSU made a huge error and Arkansas needs a new coach yesterday.

Agreed.

Georgia and Tennessee are sleeping giants. Their fanbases are as big as Penn State or Oklahoma, and they've got better recruiting territory. All it takes is the right coach, and they've got money to burn to find the right guy.

I don't disagree that Tennessee and georgia have big potential (particular Georgia, which has been a great program for most the last decade plus). However, I'd argue Penn State and Oklahoma both have better recruiting territory than Tennessee. Oklahoma kills it in Texas, Pennsylvania is a great recruiting state as is Ohio. Don't sell where those programs get to recruit from short.

Eastern PA high school football has fallen off a cliff in the last generation, and Western PA is half the size of greater Atlanta.

The best markets in the country for recruits are 1) Dallas, 2) Atlanta, 3) Houston. That gives Georgia the same sort of advantage that Miami had in the 80s - if they can utilize it.

I agree about Oklahoma though - the state is almost an extension of Texas.

(09-20-2017 01:40 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:06 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 10:42 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 09:11 PM)cpawfan Wrote:  A few of these programs could be a monster with the right coach. If Tennessee fires Butch and hires Toledo's coach, they're fight for an SEC title in year one because of the talent Butch has recruited, but is incapable of properly coaching.

LSU made a huge error and Arkansas needs a new coach yesterday.

Agreed.

Georgia and Tennessee are sleeping giants. Their fanbases are as big as Penn State or Oklahoma, and they've got better recruiting territory. All it takes is the right coach, and they've got money to burn to find the right guy.

I don't disagree that Tennessee and georgia have big potential (particular Georgia, which has been a great program for most the last decade plus). However, I'd argue Penn State and Oklahoma both have better recruiting territory than Tennessee. Oklahoma kills it in Texas, Pennsylvania is a great recruiting state as is Ohio. Don't sell where those programs get to recruit from short.

Eastern PA high school football has fallen off a cliff in the last generation, and Western PA is half the size of greater Atlanta.

The best markets in the country for recruits are 1) Dallas, 2) Atlanta, 3) Houston. That gives Georgia the same sort of advantage that Miami had in the 80s - if they can utilize it.

I agree about Oklahoma though - the state is almost an extension of Texas.

Agreed. PA and OH are probably two of the fastest declining states in terms of producing football talent. While they are still fairly strong it's dropped off for sure. I remember the days in the 90's and early 2000's when Ohio used to have at least 20-25 4*'s per class. Over the last several years that number has dropped to around 14-15 on average.

(09-20-2017 01:30 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:06 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 10:42 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 09:11 PM)cpawfan Wrote:  A few of these programs could be a monster with the right coach. If Tennessee fires Butch and hires Toledo's coach, they're fight for an SEC title in year one because of the talent Butch has recruited, but is incapable of properly coaching.

LSU made a huge error and Arkansas needs a new coach yesterday.

Agreed.

Georgia and Tennessee are sleeping giants. Their fanbases are as big as Penn State or Oklahoma, and they've got better recruiting territory. All it takes is the right coach, and they've got money to burn to find the right guy.

I don't disagree that Tennessee and georgia have big potential (particular Georgia, which has been a great program for most the last decade plus). However, I'd argue Penn State and Oklahoma both have better recruiting territory than Tennessee. Oklahoma kills it in Texas, Pennsylvania is a great recruiting state as is Ohio. Don't sell where those programs get to recruit from short.

The state of Tennessee is absolutely exploding talent-wise. And so is the overall population especially Nashville, Murfreesboro and even now Knoxville. 10 years ago you were lucky if there were 6 or 7 4-star type guys a year in that state. Now they are pushing 20 or so every year and looking ahead to the classes coming up its going to be even more. It's well on its way to surpassing states like Ohio in producing talent and will likely end up being similar to the state of Georgia in the next 15-20 years.

One other thing that helps Tennessee geographically (especially in proximity to where UT is located) is they border so many other states that produce big-time talent (North Carolina, Georgia, Virginia, etc.) They absolutely have a better recruiting base than Oklahoma, while Oklahoma has Texas their in-state talent is brutal as is the other bordering states and TN borders a ton of talent rich states that I mentioned above.

If them or Georgia ever get the right coach in there they could have monster programs. Maybe Smart will be that guy for Georgia, too early to tell.

Should know in a couple of years. Richt had double digit wins 10/15 seasons. That is pretty good. A bunch of those SEC coaches hoping Saban moves on or retires lol.