(09-17-2017 01:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  csu was blown out twice....how are they still in anything...

i dont think temple is good enough to win it, but they still have a way higher chance than colorado state ..
they were recently just good and losing to ND doesnt eliminate anyone

im not even ready to eliminate tulsa either, they need help but ther schedule is set up that they could potentially play, top 25 houston, top 25 memphis, top 25 usf, navy and top 25 usf again (but need the those teams to remain good) ..playing the AAC west will give them a chance..seeing how the Toledo game was so close

Beating ranked AAC teams won't help Tulsa against unbeaten schools from other conferences, because as soon as Tulsa beats them, they will drop from the rankings and won't be ranked any more. The CFP isn't going to be impressed by what AAC teams do in-conference, just as they won't be impressed by what MWC teams do in-conference.

The only real currency with the CFP is winning big OOC games.

tulsa wont jump an undefeated g5 with 2 losses that is a fact...but we have had 1 undefeated g5 total in like the last few seasons

i disagree the people judgng these are fans...the committe pubicly noted the year boise got the ny6 that if it wasnt boise 9-3 memphis would have gotten it over 12-1 marshall ...the committee has publicly numerous times said the aac has an edge indirectly

and note wins against top 25 aac wont do anything vs top p5 teams, but in the access bowl race its huge...

vs a undefeated sdsu.. houston, usf, memphis and navy are the only ones that it will be debate if they are undefeated ...
if sdsu losses and so does toledo to miaimi miami ..tulsa is very much back in it

G4's know it starts and ends with the AAC as the only true representative for the NYD bowl.

While the AAC big horses beat up on each other... G4's meanwhile have their fingers crossed

(09-17-2017 01:32 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:24 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  G4 doesn't have a shot this year.

Toledo says hello.

At the end of the day, the committee picks between five championship teams.

It is very, very early, but right now, SDSU is in the drivers seat.

you are 8 spots ranked lower than usf in both polls..its not the cfp but how are you in the drivers seat, you have no more regular season quality games

and stanford is about to go through death row
if ucla beats stanford...memphis will trump sdsu (with Memphis getting the conference edge)..memphis might trump sdsu regardless from top 25 conference games...
Stanford plays 4 top 25 in its next 7 games ..one other being ucla..another being asu..stanford could be 3-6 by the first poll

if houston beats texas tech, who beat asu...imo houston likely jumps sdsu too

(09-17-2017 01:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I think for now we can focus our attention on the undefeated teams. Here's how I think things stack up.

SDSU 3-0 (Wins against ASU and Stanford) 2 P5 scalps have the Aztecs looking like the early front runner.
Memphis 2-0 (Beat UCLA) Not sure how this win will hold up perception wise but it was certainly a fun game to watch.
USF 2-0 (Beat Illinois) Coming into the year we all knew the Bulls non-conf slate was pretty bare but as long as they keep winning they deserve consideration.
UH 2-0 (Beat Arizona) Not flashy but the defense looks strong.
UTSA 2-0 (Beat Baylor) The Baylor win may not amount to much by the end of the year but they did officially go undefeated in non-conf, so props.
Toledo 3-0 (Plays Miami next week) So far the Rockets are taking care of business against lesser competition but if they really want to turn heads they need to beat Miami.
Navy 2-0 They haven't looked great but they haven't looked bad.
EMU 2-0 (Beat Rutgers) Maybe in time the Rutgers win will carry more weight but for now I put it on par with beating Kansas.
UCF 1-0 They've had one blow out win and two wash outs. I believe the Knights have the potential to compete for a bid but I simply haven't seen enough from them to place them higher.

I think its a little too soon to use the term washed out.

(09-17-2017 02:00 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I think for now we can focus our attention on the undefeated teams. Here's how I think things stack up.

SDSU 3-0 (Wins against ASU and Stanford) 2 P5 scalps have the Aztecs looking like the early front runner.
Memphis 2-0 (Beat UCLA) Not sure how this win will hold up perception wise but it was certainly a fun game to watch.
USF 2-0 (Beat Illinois) Coming into the year we all knew the Bulls non-conf slate was pretty bare but as long as they keep winning they deserve consideration.
UH 2-0 (Beat Arizona) Not flashy but the defense looks strong.
UTSA 2-0 (Beat Baylor) The Baylor win may not amount to much by the end of the year but they did officially go undefeated in non-conf, so props.
Toledo 3-0 (Plays Miami next week) So far the Rockets are taking care of business against lesser competition but if they really want to turn heads they need to beat Miami.
Navy 2-0 They haven't looked great but they haven't looked bad.
EMU 2-0 (Beat Rutgers) Maybe in time the Rutgers win will carry more weight but for now I put it on par with beating Kansas.
UCF 1-0 They've had one blow out win and two wash outs. I believe the Knights have the potential to compete for a bid but I simply haven't seen enough from them to place them higher.

I think its a little too soon to use the term washed out.

By wash out, I mean rain out.

(09-17-2017 01:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:32 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:24 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  G4 doesn't have a shot this year.

Toledo says hello.

At the end of the day, the committee picks between five championship teams.

It is very, very early, but right now, SDSU is in the drivers seat.

you are 8 spots ranked lower than usf in both polls..its not the cfp but how are you in the drivers seat, you have no more regular season quality games

and stanford is about to go through death row
if ucla beats stanford...memphis will trump sdsu (with Memphis getting the conference edge)..memphis might trump sdsu regardless from top 25 conference games...
Stanford plays 4 top 25 in its next 7 games ..one other being ucla..another being asu..stanford could be 3-6 by the first poll

if houston beats texas tech, who beat asu...imo houston likely jumps sdsu too

SDSU is only one spot behind USF in the AP poll.

(09-17-2017 01:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:32 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:24 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  G4 doesn't have a shot this year.

Toledo says hello.

At the end of the day, the committee picks between five championship teams.

It is very, very early, but right now, SDSU is in the drivers seat.

you are 8 spots ranked lower than usf in both polls..its not the cfp but how are you in the drivers seat, you have no more regular season quality games

and stanford is about to go through death row
if ucla beats stanford...memphis will trump sdsu (with Memphis getting the conference edge)..memphis might trump sdsu regardless from top 25 conference games...
Stanford plays 4 top 25 in its next 7 games ..one other being ucla..another being asu..stanford could be 3-6 by the first poll

if houston beats texas tech, who beat asu...imo houston likely jumps sdsu too

Not anymore.

I do agree with you regarding the UCLA/Stanford wins though. I think they are very similar. However, Stanford does have more credibility at present, due to years past. That could change come October/November. As I said, a lot of football to be played.

Nonetheless, SDSU appears to be in the drivers seat, as USF has a horrendous schedule. I think Memphis is a great team, and would love to see SDSU and Memphis match up.

(09-17-2017 01:36 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Why waist precious time in mentioning the G4's for the NYD bowl

Unbelievable and complete nonsense.

I believe you mean "waste", "waist" is what holds your gut in.

(09-17-2017 01:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  csu was blown out twice....how are they still in anything...

i dont think temple is good enough to win it, but they still have a way higher chance than colorado state ..
they were recently just good and losing to ND doesnt eliminate anyone

im not even ready to eliminate tulsa either, they need help but ther schedule is set up that they could potentially play, top 25 houston, top 25 memphis, top 25 usf, navy and top 25 usf again (but need the those teams to remain good) ..playing the AAC west will give them a chance..seeing how the Toledo game was so close

Beating ranked AAC teams won't help Tulsa against unbeaten schools from other conferences, because as soon as Tulsa beats them, they will drop from the rankings and won't be ranked any more. The CFP isn't going to be impressed by what AAC teams do in-conference, just as they won't be impressed by what MWC teams do in-conference.

The only real currency with the CFP is winning big OOC games.

tulsa wont jump an undefeated g5 with 2 losses that is a fact...but we have had 1 undefeated g5 total in like the last few seasons

i disagree the people judgng these are fans...the committe pubicly noted the year boise got the ny6 that if it wasnt boise 9-3 memphis would have gotten it over 12-1 marshall ...the committee has publicly numerous times said the aac has an edge indirectly

and note wins against top 25 aac wont do anything vs top p5 teams, but in the access bowl race its huge...

vs a undefeated sdsu.. houston, usf, memphis and navy are the only ones that it will be debate if they are undefeated ...
if sdsu losses and so does toledo to miaimi miami ..tulsa is very much back in it

Deleted - I misread your post.

I don't think it matters anyway, since nobody is going undefeated this year.

(09-17-2017 01:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I think for now we can focus our attention on the undefeated teams. Here's how I think things stack up.

SDSU 3-0 (Wins against ASU and Stanford) 2 P5 scalps have the Aztecs looking like the early front runner.
Memphis 2-0 (Beat UCLA) Not sure how this win will hold up perception wise but it was certainly a fun game to watch.
USF 2-0 (Beat Illinois) Coming into the year we all knew the Bulls non-conf slate was pretty bare but as long as they keep winning they deserve consideration.
UH 2-0 (Beat Arizona) Not flashy but the defense looks strong.
UTSA 2-0 (Beat Baylor) The Baylor win may not amount to much by the end of the year but they did officially go undefeated in non-conf, so props.
Toledo 3-0 (Plays Miami next week) So far the Rockets are taking care of business against lesser competition but if they really want to turn heads they need to beat Miami.
Navy 2-0 They haven't looked great but they haven't looked bad.
EMU 2-0 (Beat Rutgers) Maybe in time the Rutgers win will carry more weight but for now I put it on par with beating Kansas.
UCF 1-0 They've had one blow out win and two wash outs. I believe the Knights have the potential to compete for a bid but I simply haven't seen enough from them to place them higher.

This guy is reasonable.

If sdsu goes undefeated we'll need undefeated usf vs undefeated Memphis in the ccg to get the ny6.

(09-17-2017 01:46 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:43 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:32 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:24 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  G4 doesn't have a shot this year.

Toledo says hello.

At the end of the day, the committee picks between five championship teams.

It is very, very early, but right now, SDSU is in the drivers seat.

"Drivers seat"?

Oooooooo-kay...

Keller Chryst found out last night, what Greg Ward learned in December.

Touche, man. Can't argue with scoreboard.

(09-17-2017 01:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  csu was blown out twice....how are they still in anything...

i dont think temple is good enough to win it, but they still have a way higher chance than colorado state ..
they were recently just good and losing to ND doesnt eliminate anyone

im not even ready to eliminate tulsa either, they need help but ther schedule is set up that they could potentially play, top 25 houston, top 25 memphis, top 25 usf, navy and top 25 usf again (but need the those teams to remain good) ..playing the AAC west will give them a chance..seeing how the Toledo game was so close

Beating ranked AAC teams won't help Tulsa against unbeaten schools from other conferences, because as soon as Tulsa beats them, they will drop from the rankings and won't be ranked any more. The CFP isn't going to be impressed by what AAC teams do in-conference, just as they won't be impressed by what MWC teams do in-conference.
The only real currency with the CFP is winning big OOC games.

November 29, 2016 the CFP committee chairman talked about 2-loss Navy challenging undefeated WMU because of three quality wins. Those quality wins were Houston, Tulsa, and Memphis.

You can argue that mwc wins won't make any difference to the committee.
You can argue that no AAC wins will top a win over ranked Stanford - those quality wins against AAC teams only had to compare favorably with WMU beating an average Northwestern team. (If however Stanford gets roughed up over the coming weeks, that win could end up looking no better than WMU's last year...)

The bolded statement, as you've presented it, doesn't agree with historical facts.

(09-17-2017 01:32 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:24 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  G4 doesn't have a shot this year.

Toledo says hello.

At the end of the day, the committee picks between five championship teams.

It is very, very early, but right now, SDSU is in the drivers seat.

Glad you recognize what category you and Toledo fall into

(09-17-2017 02:39 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:32 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:24 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  G4 doesn't have a shot this year.

Toledo says hello.

At the end of the day, the committee picks between five championship teams.

It is very, very early, but right now, SDSU is in the drivers seat.

Glad you recognize what category you and Toledo fall into

I'll indulge your imagination. Now, imagine this......imagine a once proud program, quickly going down the toilet due to firing a guy that did nothing but win.

I see a lot of Tulsa talk here, if Tulsa doesn't fix the D they might not make a bowl. I expect a win next week but going through the west if going to be difficult. Even Tulane isn't a pushover this year.

Congrats to Toledo but they aren't a NY6 quality team. Tulsa is no where near a NY6 quality team and should have had that game on the road. Toledo couldn't stop a team that had no passing offense, if they win the MAC then that league is worse than I thought it was.

(09-17-2017 02:29 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  csu was blown out twice....how are they still in anything...

i dont think temple is good enough to win it, but they still have a way higher chance than colorado state ..
they were recently just good and losing to ND doesnt eliminate anyone

im not even ready to eliminate tulsa either, they need help but ther schedule is set up that they could potentially play, top 25 houston, top 25 memphis, top 25 usf, navy and top 25 usf again (but need the those teams to remain good) ..playing the AAC west will give them a chance..seeing how the Toledo game was so close

Beating ranked AAC teams won't help Tulsa against unbeaten schools from other conferences, because as soon as Tulsa beats them, they will drop from the rankings and won't be ranked any more. The CFP isn't going to be impressed by what AAC teams do in-conference, just as they won't be impressed by what MWC teams do in-conference.
The only real currency with the CFP is winning big OOC games.

November 29, 2016 the CFP committee chairman talked about 2-loss Navy challenging undefeated WMU because of three quality wins. Those quality wins were Houston, Tulsa, and Memphis.

You can argue that mwc wins won't make any difference to the committee.
You can argue that no AAC wins will top a win over ranked Stanford - those quality wins against AAC teams only had to compare favorably with WMU beating an average Northwestern team. (If however Stanford gets roughed up over the coming weeks, that win could end up looking no better than WMU's last year...)

The bolded statement, as you've presented it, doesn't agree with historical facts.

Exactly. That win over a ranked Stanford is only valuable in the long run if the Cardinals go on and finish 10-2, if they go 8-4 or worse it loses some of the shine.
We will find out soon enough Stanford plays UCLA next weekend.
The win over ASU won't help much they are worse than UCLA, Arizona and Illinois all teams beaten by AAC teams.

(09-17-2017 03:21 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 02:29 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  csu was blown out twice....how are they still in anything...

i dont think temple is good enough to win it, but they still have a way higher chance than colorado state ..
they were recently just good and losing to ND doesnt eliminate anyone

im not even ready to eliminate tulsa either, they need help but ther schedule is set up that they could potentially play, top 25 houston, top 25 memphis, top 25 usf, navy and top 25 usf again (but need the those teams to remain good) ..playing the AAC west will give them a chance..seeing how the Toledo game was so close

Beating ranked AAC teams won't help Tulsa against unbeaten schools from other conferences, because as soon as Tulsa beats them, they will drop from the rankings and won't be ranked any more. The CFP isn't going to be impressed by what AAC teams do in-conference, just as they won't be impressed by what MWC teams do in-conference.
The only real currency with the CFP is winning big OOC games.

November 29, 2016 the CFP committee chairman talked about 2-loss Navy challenging undefeated WMU because of three quality wins. Those quality wins were Houston, Tulsa, and Memphis.

You can argue that mwc wins won't make any difference to the committee.
You can argue that no AAC wins will top a win over ranked Stanford - those quality wins against AAC teams only had to compare favorably with WMU beating an average Northwestern team. (If however Stanford gets roughed up over the coming weeks, that win could end up looking no better than WMU's last year...)

The bolded statement, as you've presented it, doesn't agree with historical facts.

Exactly. That win over a ranked Stanford is only valuable in the long run if the Cardinals go on and finish 10-2, if they go 8-4 or worse it loses some of the shine.
We will find out soon enough Stanford plays UCLA next weekend.
The win over ASU won't help much they are worse than UCLA, Arizona and Illinois all teams beaten by AAC teams.

Sure. But to think they are worse than Illinois or Arizona is silly. The UCLA game will be a very good one though.

(09-17-2017 01:32 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:24 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  G4 doesn't have a shot this year.

Toledo says hello.

At the end of the day, the committee picks between five championship teams.

It is very, very early, but right now, SDSU is in the drivers seat.

Yes because you are ranked ahead of aac teams. . . Oh wait no you're not.

Right now the road to ny6 goes through tampa and will until they lose.

The mwc is incredibly weak this year so you could go undefeated. An undefeated usf will still go ny6 before sdsu does even if sdsu is undefeated. Memphis undefeated will be above you too.

(09-17-2017 03:31 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 03:21 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 02:29 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  csu was blown out twice....how are they still in anything...

i dont think temple is good enough to win it, but they still have a way higher chance than colorado state ..
they were recently just good and losing to ND doesnt eliminate anyone

im not even ready to eliminate tulsa either, they need help but ther schedule is set up that they could potentially play, top 25 houston, top 25 memphis, top 25 usf, navy and top 25 usf again (but need the those teams to remain good) ..playing the AAC west will give them a chance..seeing how the Toledo game was so close

Beating ranked AAC teams won't help Tulsa against unbeaten schools from other conferences, because as soon as Tulsa beats them, they will drop from the rankings and won't be ranked any more. The CFP isn't going to be impressed by what AAC teams do in-conference, just as they won't be impressed by what MWC teams do in-conference.
The only real currency with the CFP is winning big OOC games.

November 29, 2016 the CFP committee chairman talked about 2-loss Navy challenging undefeated WMU because of three quality wins. Those quality wins were Houston, Tulsa, and Memphis.

You can argue that mwc wins won't make any difference to the committee.
You can argue that no AAC wins will top a win over ranked Stanford - those quality wins against AAC teams only had to compare favorably with WMU beating an average Northwestern team. (If however Stanford gets roughed up over the coming weeks, that win could end up looking no better than WMU's last year...)

The bolded statement, as you've presented it, doesn't agree with historical facts.

Exactly. That win over a ranked Stanford is only valuable in the long run if the Cardinals go on and finish 10-2, if they go 8-4 or worse it loses some of the shine.
We will find out soon enough Stanford plays UCLA next weekend.
The win over ASU won't help much they are worse than UCLA, Arizona and Illinois all teams beaten by AAC teams.

Sure. But to think they are worse than Illinois or Arizona is silly. The UCLA game will be a very good one though.

And where did I say that they were worse than those two? Let's wait and see how it all turns out as the season goes along.