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(09-17-2017 10:45 AM)The Flash Wrote:  05-deadhorse

I agree with this!!! ...

I mean, if Kent was playing an Ohio-type schedule every year (which should be the model for all MAC teams), that's one thing.

But paying the bills every year with the likes of Alabama (twice), LSU, Penn State (twice), Clemson, Louisville and others consistently in the Top 25 a sling shot going against a cannon.

Understand ... these type of teams are not playing to just be bowl eligible, like the Purdues and Missouri's and Rutgers of the world. They are playing to get into the 4-team playoffs.

Playing backups and such is secondary to piling up the stats against teams like Kent, that have absolutely no shot at winning.

This is a pure money grab (usually around $1-mil a game), not a recipe for success but failure (are you counting the season-ending injuries once again)

And (2) it's a taffy pull for recruiting.

Hazell hit the perfect storm inheriting a pair of NFL linemen (and a B10 transfer Olineman), a NFL return specialist (when he played) and a fourth NFL player (Nix) who has found a home switching from defense to offense.

It doesn't matter who the coach is ... Nick Saban or Urban ... you can't build a winning MAC program and cash checks at the same time in this league.

And just as an aside ... wonder how successful the Kent basketball program would be with the AD doing that schedule.

Not saying the $$$ philosophy is wrong, especially in this day and age ... but the expectations have to be in line with that philosophy as well.

Firing Haynes is no different than firing Doug Martin or Jim Corrigall or pick a name ... it's just going to cost a bit more for the next coach to have the same results ... meaning Kent will probably have to play all four non-con games for $$$ before the start of MAC play in the future.

This is not how you win, or even become competitive, in college football.
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(09-19-2017 04:07 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(09-17-2017 10:45 AM)The Flash Wrote:  05-deadhorse

I agree with this!!! ...

I mean, if Kent was playing an Ohio-type schedule every year (which should be the model for all MAC teams), that's one thing.

But paying the bills every year with the likes of Alabama (twice), LSU, Penn State (twice), Clemson, Louisville and others consistently in the Top 25 a sling shot going against a cannon.

Understand ... these type of teams are not playing to just be bowl eligible, like the Purdues and Missouri's and Rutgers of the world. They are playing to get into the 4-team playoffs.

Playing backups and such is secondary to piling up the stats against teams like Kent, that have absolutely no shot at winning.

This is a pure money grab (usually around $1-mil a game), not a recipe for success but failure (are you counting the season-ending injuries once again)

And (2) it's a taffy pull for recruiting.

Hazell hit the perfect storm inheriting a pair of NFL linemen (and a B10 transfer Olineman), a NFL return specialist (when he played) and a fourth NFL player (Nix) who has found a home switching from defense to offense.

It doesn't matter who the coach is ... Nick Saban or Urban ... you can't build a winning MAC program and cash checks at the same time in this league.

And just as an aside ... wonder how successful the Kent basketball program would be with the AD doing that schedule.

Not saying the $$$ philosophy is wrong, especially in this day and age ... but the expectations have to be in line with that philosophy as well.

Firing Haynes is no different than firing Doug Martin or Jim Corrigall or pick a name ... it's just going to cost a bit more for the next coach to have the same results ... meaning Kent will probably have to play all four non-con games for $$$ before the start of MAC play in the future.

This is not how you win, or even become competitive, in college football.
I would say this is a great assessment of where we are/have been and are stuck. Hazel was fortunate to play Rutgers and Army the year we made it to Detroit. Still as a loyal fan since 1969 - this offense is one of the ugliest excuses for football I can remember and I can only point to the OC for the blame. Funny thing was with Corrigall we had an offense but no defense?
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(09-19-2017 01:44 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  Holley torn ACL, done for year...
Very sad and I feel for the young man - he has a lot of heart and is a competitor - but there was no way he was going to make it through the whole season with the number of times he had the ball and was the only real target for the defense.
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Really sad to see Holley go out like this with everything he's given over the last 5 years. Any chance he gets this year back (or wants to)? The quarterback position has been a nightmare ever since Spencer Keith graduated. The last two years in particular. Freshman wins the job out of camp, injured week one and transfers. Another freshman takes over, shows signs of talent, done for the year. Now this year Mitchell is lost in camp and now Holley. So we're right back to Bollas. All he's shown me so far is he can be healthy when everyone else isn't. Get out while you can Crum!
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Unfortunately the Flashes play scared with a defeatist attitude. Blame lies squarely with the coaching staff. The OC is totally inept. All you have to do is watch/listen to his press conferences from the first two games, and see how ineffective the offensive has been for all three games.

The lack of discipline (quantity & stupidity of penalities) also demonstrates lack of effectiveness & preparation by the coaching staff. This is unacceptable.

Feel really bad for Nick Holly. After five years, it comes down to this.

I really believe that Bollas could be effective, if the OC gave him a decent and more imaginitive game plan to execute.
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(09-19-2017 07:48 PM)OLNWFLSH Wrote:  
(09-19-2017 04:07 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(09-17-2017 10:45 AM)The Flash Wrote:  05-deadhorse

I agree with this!!! ...

I mean, if Kent was playing an Ohio-type schedule every year (which should be the model for all MAC teams), that's one thing.

But paying the bills every year with the likes of Alabama (twice), LSU, Penn State (twice), Clemson, Louisville and others consistently in the Top 25 a sling shot going against a cannon.

Understand ... these type of teams are not playing to just be bowl eligible, like the Purdues and Missouri's and Rutgers of the world. They are playing to get into the 4-team playoffs.

Playing backups and such is secondary to piling up the stats against teams like Kent, that have absolutely no shot at winning.

This is a pure money grab (usually around $1-mil a game), not a recipe for success but failure (are you counting the season-ending injuries once again)

And (2) it's a taffy pull for recruiting.

Hazell hit the perfect storm inheriting a pair of NFL linemen (and a B10 transfer Olineman), a NFL return specialist (when he played) and a fourth NFL player (Nix) who has found a home switching from defense to offense.

It doesn't matter who the coach is ... Nick Saban or Urban ... you can't build a winning MAC program and cash checks at the same time in this league.

And just as an aside ... wonder how successful the Kent basketball program would be with the AD doing that schedule.

Not saying the $$$ philosophy is wrong, especially in this day and age ... but the expectations have to be in line with that philosophy as well.

Firing Haynes is no different than firing Doug Martin or Jim Corrigall or pick a name ... it's just going to cost a bit more for the next coach to have the same results ... meaning Kent will probably have to play all four non-con games for $$$ before the start of MAC play in the future.

This is not how you win, or even become competitive, in college football.
I would say this is a great assessment of where we are/have been and are stuck. Hazel was fortunate to play Rutgers and Army the year we made it to Detroit. Still as a loyal fan since 1969 - this offense is one of the ugliest excuses for football I can remember and I can only point to the OC for the blame. Funny thing was with Corrigall we had an offense but no defense?

In all fairness to that team, Rutgers was ranked when we went there and beat them.
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With Holley out, I would be shocked if they win another game.
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They will have a difficult time competing/winning with the lack of imagination from the OC no matter which QB is in the game. I think it is disheartening to the scholar athletes who practice/lift/study as much as the other MAC schools, and the coaches do not put them into games with a strategy to allow them even to compete, much less have an oportunity to win. Time to let the players know that the university values the program and their efforts and sacrifice and let Paul Haynes go now....
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As an aging alumnus, I had planned to go to a few home games, But this program has hit yet another bottom. Disgusting. I also see the point spread has been steadily climbing and now varies between 43 and 44 points.
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(09-20-2017 05:42 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  As an aging alumnus, I had planned to go to a few home games, But this program has hit yet another bottom. Disgusting. I also see the point spread has been steadily climbing and now varies between 43 and 44 points.
I have always tried to get to a game or two - I can live with a loss but not complete boredom generated under this OC. It reminds me of when Doug Martin ran out of O linemen and we lost at home to Buffalo by something like 3 to 9. I am no longer inspired to drive 3 hours each way
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(09-19-2017 09:35 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  
(09-19-2017 07:48 PM)OLNWFLSH Wrote:  
(09-19-2017 04:07 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(09-17-2017 10:45 AM)The Flash Wrote:  05-deadhorse

I agree with this!!! ...

I mean, if Kent was playing an Ohio-type schedule every year (which should be the model for all MAC teams), that's one thing.

But paying the bills every year with the likes of Alabama (twice), LSU, Penn State (twice), Clemson, Louisville and others consistently in the Top 25 a sling shot going against a cannon.

Understand ... these type of teams are not playing to just be bowl eligible, like the Purdues and Missouri's and Rutgers of the world. They are playing to get into the 4-team playoffs.

Playing backups and such is secondary to piling up the stats against teams like Kent, that have absolutely no shot at winning.

This is a pure money grab (usually around $1-mil a game), not a recipe for success but failure (are you counting the season-ending injuries once again)

And (2) it's a taffy pull for recruiting.

Hazell hit the perfect storm inheriting a pair of NFL linemen (and a B10 transfer Olineman), a NFL return specialist (when he played) and a fourth NFL player (Nix) who has found a home switching from defense to offense.

It doesn't matter who the coach is ... Nick Saban or Urban ... you can't build a winning MAC program and cash checks at the same time in this league.

And just as an aside ... wonder how successful the Kent basketball program would be with the AD doing that schedule.

Not saying the $$$ philosophy is wrong, especially in this day and age ... but the expectations have to be in line with that philosophy as well.

Firing Haynes is no different than firing Doug Martin or Jim Corrigall or pick a name ... it's just going to cost a bit more for the next coach to have the same results ... meaning Kent will probably have to play all four non-con games for $$$ before the start of MAC play in the future.

This is not how you win, or even become competitive, in college football.
I would say this is a great assessment of where we are/have been and are stuck. Hazel was fortunate to play Rutgers and Army the year we made it to Detroit. Still as a loyal fan since 1969 - this offense is one of the ugliest excuses for football I can remember and I can only point to the OC for the blame. Funny thing was with Corrigall we had an offense but no defense?

In all fairness to that team, Rutgers was ranked when we went there and beat them.

You have a point there - but like us Rutgers can't deal with prosperity!
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I think most everyone is in agreement that Haynes is on his farewell tour, and the remainder of the season will simply be a prelude to hiring a new coach. Is there any way we could pry Bo Pelini away from Youngstown State? He's a proven winner that would get people excited, but the university would have to step up to do it because I doubt he would come unless the university committed to providing the resources to making the program competitive.
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(09-21-2017 08:48 AM)dredaddy Wrote:  I think most everyone is in agreement that Haynes is on his farewell tour, and the remainder of the season will simply be a prelude to hiring a new coach. Is there any way we could pry Bo Pelini away from Youngstown State? He's a proven winner that would get people excited, but the university would have to step up to do it because I doubt he would come unless the university committed to providing the resources to making the program competitive.

Les Miles ???
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As a replacement to Haynes (winning percentage 26%... 13-37!!)-I think I would prefer a successful FCS coach looking to move up vs. another assistant coach from a B10 or SEC etc program. Someone who has been "in charge" of the entire program....Second choice would be a seasoned head coach looking for redemption etc( ie. Solich)
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"Buckeye", agree but you have to be careful. Remember Dick Crum. And Bowden at UA hasn't been all that hot, either.
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Agreed...my initial preference is for a successful FCS coach looking to advance (Dino Babers type??) and I meant to infer that after that- I would prefer Solich type to a Haynes type (P5 assistant)...As an alumni with a current KSU undergrad student, I would like to being coming into Kent and enjoying football games with my son...but I am not willing to spend $$ on this current product- just will head to Ray's and buy him dinner/beers....
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Vince Kehres! Look at all the success Lance Leipold has at Buffalo!
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(09-21-2017 12:51 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  "Buckeye", agree but you have to be careful. Remember Dick Crum. And Bowden at UA hasn't been all that hot, either.

How could we forget! Pelini is a good coach but carries some baggage, Miles is out of our price range, a young coach skips town at the first nibble. Maybe Gary Pinkle would come out of retirement for a couple of years if his cancer is under control. 01-lauramac2
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I think it would be difficult to get Bo Pelini. I would think that he may consider moving from YSU to KSU too much of a lateral move, even though it would be moving from FCS to FBS. Pinkel is what, 65, 66 years old? I would wonder if he had the energy for that grueling recruiting. Sure, Saban is even older, but recruiting for an Alabama is relatively easy. Between getting a hot assistant from a power 5 school that may win but leave in a year or so without any real base of talent, and getting someone who may stay a while and actually build a program, I would take choice #2. I have no idea who may be available and who would also fit the bill.
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(09-21-2017 04:53 PM)OLNWFLSH Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 12:51 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  "Buckeye", agree but you have to be careful. Remember Dick Crum. And Bowden at UA hasn't been all that hot, either.

How could we forget! Pelini is a good coach but carries some baggage, Miles is out of our price range, a young coach skips town at the first nibble. Maybe Gary Pinkle would come out of retirement for a couple of years if his cancer is under control. 01-lauramac2

Pinkle !!! ... I'd even take him as an 'advisor' to Haynes specifically for the offense ... frankly there has never been any issues with defense under Haynes by any means ... but the offense, my goodness. It makes the whole team look inept ...

... doubt if Pinkle wants a full plate at this stage ... but even a moderately average offense that Pinkle could help with makes this team 'MAC Competitive' at the least with the defense already in hand.

If nothing else, that is a first step.

Another thought ... Pinkle probably knows a young OC-type he could groom, which would help as well.
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