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Haha that meme was me. I found out how much I hated math so went to my fall back career, IT. It's paid off handsomely tho.

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(09-25-2017 04:34 PM)monarx Wrote:  Monarch alumni. Be sure to look in your email for a message from ODU. There is a survey that will inform the upcoming marketing campaign in the works with the new agency. They ask questions ranging from academics, to safety, to athletics. It doesn't take long and is probably worth the time.

Still never got that survey

(09-12-2017 07:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  They need to market their discriminators... engineering, dental hygiene, business, and strong salaries compared to our peers. Instead, the marketing is all about "diversity" whatever the hell that means. Time to drain the swamp and bring in some new blood across the board. It's only going to get worse as the value of a college degree keeps sliding. They have no choice but to take anyone that applies. They are overleveraged and have too many programs and departments that should go away. The problem is by no means unique to us either.

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Do you think Liberty starting their engineering program a few years ago had much impact on ODU? I would think you guys have a lot of part-time students who are active duty military. Those number dropping?

(09-28-2017 11:58 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 07:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  They need to market their discriminators... engineering, dental hygiene, business, and strong salaries compared to our peers. Instead, the marketing is all about "diversity" whatever the hell that means. Time to drain the swamp and bring in some new blood across the board. It's only going to get worse as the value of a college degree keeps sliding. They have no choice but to take anyone that applies. They are overleveraged and have too many programs and departments that should go away. The problem is by no means unique to us either.

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Do you think Liberty starting their engineering program a few years ago had much impact on ODU? I would think you guys have a lot of part-time students who are active duty military. Those number dropping?

No I think Liberty is in a bubble. They are not taking kids from Hampton Roads. There will always be enough people in the area to keep enrollment up. I am a proponent of quality over quantity.

(09-28-2017 12:00 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 11:58 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 07:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  They need to market their discriminators... engineering, dental hygiene, business, and strong salaries compared to our peers. Instead, the marketing is all about "diversity" whatever the hell that means. Time to drain the swamp and bring in some new blood across the board. It's only going to get worse as the value of a college degree keeps sliding. They have no choice but to take anyone that applies. They are overleveraged and have too many programs and departments that should go away. The problem is by no means unique to us either.

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Do you think Liberty starting their engineering program a few years ago had much impact on ODU? I would think you guys have a lot of part-time students who are active duty military. Those number dropping?

No I think Liberty is in a bubble. They are not taking kids from Hampton Roads. There will always be enough people in the area to keep enrollment up. I am a proponent of quality over quantity.

I was under the impression Liberty got a lot of kids from Hampton Roads. Atlantic Shores school was practically a pipeline of students for them for a while. I believe as GMU has improved it's academic reputation and as VCU has managed to remake its campus so that its not as ugly and dangerous, some students that used to choose to go here now go there. The other thing that has hurt ODU is the rise of CNU. ODU used to be the best choice from Williamsburg to Virginia Beach, for kids who wanted to be close to home (and couldn't get into WM). Now CNU competes with us and draws a lot of those kids. I remember the first time I heard a kid say they were choosing CNU over ODU (about 20 years ago) and I thought they were nuts. Now it happens all the time. If we don't change something quick Longwood and Radford will be next.

Soon CNU will be competing with W&M. In some cases they might be the #1 choice as W&M doesn't have the same programs.

Eh I am not worried at all about CNU. They might have a nice campus and academics. But I would never want to go there

(09-28-2017 03:19 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Eh I am not worried at all about CNU. They might have a nice campus and academics. But I would never want to go there

Yeah, but how come with a 50 year head start ODU isn't the one with the nicer campus and academics? Or at least perceived that way? Heck, we had a 30 year head start on GMU. The rise of these other schools has directly impacted the quality of students ODU is getting.

Kid next door just went into leadership program at cnu. Could have gone really anywhere in state but chose that over odu. His parents really wanted him to go to ODU and he had a scholarship he threw out to attend cnu. The niceness of campus and overall feel was a big factor for them and the good things being said about the leadership program.

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(09-28-2017 06:58 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  Kid next door just went into leadership program at cnu. Could have gone really anywhere in state but chose that over odu. His parents really wanted him to go to ODU and he had a scholarship he threw out to attend cnu. The niceness of campus and overall feel was a big factor for them and the good things being said about the leadership program.

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Seriously. There is something very wrong when a kid throws away a scholarship to go to CNU. Our leadership needs to take a look at themselves in the mirror, buck up and figure out what is going wrong.

(09-28-2017 08:08 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 06:58 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  Kid next door just went into leadership program at cnu. Could have gone really anywhere in state but chose that over odu. His parents really wanted him to go to ODU and he had a scholarship he threw out to attend cnu. The niceness of campus and overall feel was a big factor for them and the good things being said about the leadership program.

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Seriously. There is something very wrong when a kid throws away a scholarship to go to CNU. Our leadership needs to take a look at themselves in the mirror, buck up and figure out what is going wrong.

Based on one kid's decision to go to another school? People make choices for all sorts of reasons. Just because ODU is objectively better than CNU doesn't mean there can't be students who choose CNU based on whatever metric or feeling they choose. There's also students who choose ODU over UVa and William and Mary. Forget about rankings and reputation; none of this is linear, so ODU being better than CNU doesn't mean every student who gets admitted to both always must pick ODU. **** happens.

It happens far too often these days. I can't remember the last time a high achieving traditional aged student I know chose ODU. I can think of several instances where their parents wouldn't let them consider it, several times where students said they "wanted to do better", or that it was "the ghetto" and went to one of the peer schools we mentioned. Kids will choose where they want to go, but you would think in this day and age, a free ride would carry a lot of weight. To turn one down to go to a place that arguably equal points to an issue.

On a positive note I did meet a guy in DC recently who's child transferred from Radford to Old Dominion because he wanted a place that was more serious academically.

(09-28-2017 08:08 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 06:58 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  Kid next door just went into leadership program at cnu. Could have gone really anywhere in state but chose that over odu. His parents really wanted him to go to ODU and he had a scholarship he threw out to attend cnu. The niceness of campus and overall feel was a big factor for them and the good things being said about the leadership program.

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Seriously. There is something very wrong when a kid throws away a scholarship to go to CNU. Our leadership needs to take a look at themselves in the mirror, buck up and figure out what is going wrong.

The big difference is CNU is surrounded by the nicest part of town (and one of the nicest parts of 757) where as ODU has one of the worst parts of town adjacent to the south. This is a problem for ODU, especially with high middle class girls or people accustomed to Northern Virginia. ODU could cover their buildings in gold and they still cannot compete with that.

(09-29-2017 07:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 08:08 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 06:58 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  Kid next door just went into leadership program at cnu. Could have gone really anywhere in state but chose that over odu. His parents really wanted him to go to ODU and he had a scholarship he threw out to attend cnu. The niceness of campus and overall feel was a big factor for them and the good things being said about the leadership program.

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Seriously. There is something very wrong when a kid throws away a scholarship to go to CNU. Our leadership needs to take a look at themselves in the mirror, buck up and figure out what is going wrong.

The big difference is CNU is surrounded by the nicest part of town (and one of the nicest parts of 757) where as ODU has one of the worst parts of town adjacent to the south. This is a problem for ODU, especially with high middle class girls or people accustomed to Northern Virginia. ODU could cover their buildings in gold and they still cannot compete with that.

Well to the north of ODU is one of the nicest parts of Norfolk. Also Warwick Blvd is not that nice in NN. CNU has done a good job. I think ODU has transformed its campus and is still not done. They have a lot of moving parts and putting up $$$$ for a new stadium is not easy along with several new buildings. Something CNU would never be able to do. Also no one outside of the 757 has ever heard of CNU. I just wouldnt want to go to a school that small. One thing I think ODU needs to do is work on their landscaping around the campus. It just doesnt look that nice. CNU has us beat in that department

Interesting fact: my dads architecture firm did the design for the entrance to CNU with that big statue of Christopher Newport. I interned for them like 10 years ago and was working on the plans for that statue. At the time didnt really think much of it. Now I wish ODU would have a nice entrance and big statue.

(09-29-2017 07:37 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 07:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 08:08 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 06:58 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  Kid next door just went into leadership program at cnu. Could have gone really anywhere in state but chose that over odu. His parents really wanted him to go to ODU and he had a scholarship he threw out to attend cnu. The niceness of campus and overall feel was a big factor for them and the good things being said about the leadership program.

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Seriously. There is something very wrong when a kid throws away a scholarship to go to CNU. Our leadership needs to take a look at themselves in the mirror, buck up and figure out what is going wrong.

The big difference is CNU is surrounded by the nicest part of town (and one of the nicest parts of 757) where as ODU has one of the worst parts of town adjacent to the south. This is a problem for ODU, especially with high middle class girls or people accustomed to Northern Virginia. ODU could cover their buildings in gold and they still cannot compete with that.

Well to the north of ODU is one of the nicest parts of Norfolk. Also Warwick Blvd is not that nice in NN. CNU has done a good job. I think ODU has transformed its campus and is still not done. They have a lot of moving parts and putting up $$$$ for a new stadium is not easy along with several new buildings. Something CNU would never be able to do. Also no one outside of the 757 has ever heard of CNU. I just wouldnt want to go to a school that small. One thing I think ODU needs to do is work on their landscaping around the campus. It just doesnt look that nice. CNU has us beat in that department

90% of NN is a craphole (I have lived in the city for 28/38 years of my life), but that part of Warwick is around CNU is actually very nice... much moreso than Hampton Blvd around ODU... and while Larchmont/Edgewater are nice, the neighborhoods behind CNU blow them away. In fact, the area within about a 2 mile radius of CNU alone is what keeps NN from becoming Portsmouth.

Here is the president's house. The neighborhood behind CNU is full of similar homes and it isn't even gated... students can walk, bike right through it or even rent homes down the street. The Mariner's Museum Park is also adjacent, which is 550 acres and has a 5-mile cross country trail around a beautiful lake.

It may be in NN, but it is not an urban setting. ODU cannot compare when trying to attrach students used to similar settings in Fairfax, Loudon, and PW counties.

ODU's advantage is STEM and even business programs and the military and contractor jobs that pull from them. CNU cannot compete with that and it is what we need to be marketing. Businesses sell their value added discriminators. Why can we not do the same?

I didn't mean foe my story to be a knock on odu but more a praise for cnu.

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The area south of ODU needs to be revitalized and the City of Norfolk is doing nothing to help that.

(09-29-2017 07:56 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  I didn't mean foe my story to be a knock on odu but more a praise for cnu.

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It is not a knock on ODU. They are different schools with different discriminators. Even if you are an Ivy League school, if a student is looking for a suburban campus, Harvard is going to lose to Princeton if it is important. Similarly, someone looking for a suburban campus is not likely to choose ODU or VCU. They'll be looking at CNU and George Mason.