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Matlab.... ugh :(

I wish I had better instruction in that stuff. As of right now I don't like it. I understand it's important though.
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ODU is awesome. The others, not so great....
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There have been several inferences/statements that ODU is somehow required to take lower performing students as compared to other state schools. I also recall having a conversation with several other alumni about this topic, however no one has yet to provide the reason or cite where in the Virginia code that this is codified. If someone could provide this, I would like to read it. Can someone please provide?
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(09-13-2017 07:54 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  Matlab.... ugh :(

I wish I had better instruction in that stuff. As of right now I don't like it. I understand it's important though.

I definitely feel your pain with MATLAB, but it does get better with practice. I'm more of a Python and R fan now than I was back at ODU.
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(09-13-2017 07:57 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  There have been several inferences/statements that ODU is somehow required to take lower performing students as compared to other state schools. I also recall having a conversation with several other alumni about this topic, however no one has yet to provide the reason or cite where in the Virginia code that this is codified. If someone could provide this, I would like to read it. Can someone please provide?

I am told from people who work for the university that state legislators specifically demand that ODU keep their tuition lower, and admit more lower performing and non-traditional students than their peers. They are also required to put more resources toward serving the educational needs of Hampton Roads residents than our peers do for their local communities. Peers in this instance are VCU, GMU, JMU, CNU. From what I hear, there is some truth to the rumor that Richmond wanted to shut down NSU and force ODU to fill the void that would have been left behind. My guess is part of them steering the school in this direction was to prepare for that. Hopefully that is no longer the plan and ODU can continue on an upward trajectory. I would like to know which legislators to contact and voice my displeasure to regarding ODU taking on a disproportionate amount of greater need and at-risk students. Happy we are helping them, but other schools need to share in this effort.
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Got to start programs for the future. Cyber Security is huge and should be an area of interest and importance. To keep up with the big dogs and get huge donors you got to start producing Doctors and or Lawyers. Liberty has both and God to pad their contributions. UVA and VT and W&M and Richmond all have medical and or law schools.
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(09-13-2017 08:26 PM)TedHead Wrote:  Got to start programs for the future. Cyber Security is huge and should be an area of interest and importance. To keep up with the big dogs and get huge donors you got to start producing Doctors and or Lawyers. Liberty has both and God to pad their contributions. UVA and VT and W&M and Richmond all have medical and or law schools.

And law schools create politicians who then go to the state legislature and determine the haves and have-nots. If you don't have alumni in the house of delegates, you're out of luck.
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(09-13-2017 08:30 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 08:26 PM)TedHead Wrote:  Got to start programs for the future. Cyber Security is huge and should be an area of interest and importance. To keep up with the big dogs and get huge donors you got to start producing Doctors and or Lawyers. Liberty has both and God to pad their contributions. UVA and VT and W&M and Richmond all have medical and or law schools.

And law schools create politicians who then go to the state legislature and determine the haves and have-nots. If you don't have alumni in the house of delegates, you're out of luck.

Are you running for office?
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(09-13-2017 08:38 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 08:30 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 08:26 PM)TedHead Wrote:  Got to start programs for the future. Cyber Security is huge and should be an area of interest and importance. To keep up with the big dogs and get huge donors you got to start producing Doctors and or Lawyers. Liberty has both and God to pad their contributions. UVA and VT and W&M and Richmond all have medical and or law schools.

And law schools create politicians who then go to the state legislature and determine the haves and have-nots. If you don't have alumni in the house of delegates, you're out of luck.

Are you running for office?

I've thought about it, but no longer live in VA.
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(09-13-2017 08:26 PM)TedHead Wrote:  Got to start programs for the future. Cyber Security is huge and should be an area of interest and importance. To keep up with the big dogs and get huge donors you got to start producing Doctors and or Lawyers. Liberty has both and God to pad their contributions. UVA and VT and W&M and Richmond all have medical and or law schools.

Yes, Cyber Operations are crucial to the future, especially with the Air Force looking at combining the 24th/25th. A lot more of this work will be coming to Langley, but San Antonio (Lackland) has a good case to take it all if we don't get the talent. ODU ought to be using its resources within its CUSA affiliation to copy what UTSA is doing. Believe it or not, UTSA has one of the best cyber schools in the country and the Air Force is heavily involved. ODU needs to get full-in on that bandwagon before CNU or W&M does. It is a real need around here. Aside from the Air Force, which has a large and likely growing cyber presence in the area, the Navy also has a small cyber presence at Dam Neck. Note, I am talking cyber operations, not cyber security, which everyone and their mothers are already trying to get involved with.
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(09-13-2017 08:26 PM)TedHead Wrote:  Got to start programs for the future. Cyber Security is huge and should be an area of interest and importance. To keep up with the big dogs and get huge donors you got to start producing Doctors and or Lawyers. Liberty has both and God to pad their contributions. UVA and VT and W&M and Richmond all have medical and or law schools.

Yes, Cyber Operations are crucial to the future, especially with the Air Force looking at combining the 24th/25th. A lot more of this work will be coming to Langley, but San Antonio (Lackland) has a good case to take it all if we don't get the talent. ODU ought to be using its resources within its CUSA affiliation to copy what UTSA is doing. Believe it or not, UTSA has one of the best cyber schools in the country and the Air Force is heavily involved. ODU needs to get full-in on that bandwagon before CNU or W&M does. It is a real need around here. Aside from the Air Force, which has a large and likely growing cyber presence in the area, the Navy also has a small cyber presence at Dam Neck. Note, I am talking cyber operations, not cyber security, which everyone and their mothers are already trying to get involved with.

This is another area where the state of VA screws its universities though. ODU was on the forefront of STEM education and at one point was a strong contender for top three engineering programs in the state. Then VA lets all these other schools open engineering schools which waters down the pool of applicants and resources for that area. Even if ODU went all in on Cybersecurity today, they'd still let CNU or WM or VCU or JMU go all in on it too. For whatever reason, ODU is not allowed to have a differential, and when it start to the state just opens new programs elsewhere rather than steering the best of students in that area here.

At one point ODU was known for science, engineering, technology. VCU was known for art and medicine and GMU for political science, liberal arts, international studies and JMU for education. Now, other than VCU still having a known art school, we've all moved in on each others differentials and tried to be everything to everyone. In other states schools are encouraged and supported to thrive in different academic areas.
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(09-14-2017 08:38 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 07:49 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 08:26 PM)TedHead Wrote:  Got to start programs for the future. Cyber Security is huge and should be an area of interest and importance. To keep up with the big dogs and get huge donors you got to start producing Doctors and or Lawyers. Liberty has both and God to pad their contributions. UVA and VT and W&M and Richmond all have medical and or law schools.

Yes, Cyber Operations are crucial to the future, especially with the Air Force looking at combining the 24th/25th. A lot more of this work will be coming to Langley, but San Antonio (Lackland) has a good case to take it all if we don't get the talent. ODU ought to be using its resources within its CUSA affiliation to copy what UTSA is doing. Believe it or not, UTSA has one of the best cyber schools in the country and the Air Force is heavily involved. ODU needs to get full-in on that bandwagon before CNU or W&M does. It is a real need around here. Aside from the Air Force, which has a large and likely growing cyber presence in the area, the Navy also has a small cyber presence at Dam Neck. Note, I am talking cyber operations, not cyber security, which everyone and their mothers are already trying to get involved with.

This is another area where the state of VA screws its universities though. ODU was on the forefront of STEM education and at one point was a strong contender for top three engineering programs in the state. Then VA lets all these other schools open engineering schools which waters down the pool of applicants and resources for that area. Even if ODU went all in on Cybersecurity today, they'd still let CNU or WM or VCU or JMU go all in on it too. For whatever reason, ODU is not allowed to have a differential, and when it start to the state just opens new programs elsewhere rather than steering the best of students in that area here.

At one point ODU was known for science, engineering, technology. VCU was known for art and medicine and GMU for political science, liberal arts, international studies and JMU for education. Now, other than VCU still having a known art school, we've all moved in on each others differentials and tried to be everything to everyone. In other states schools are encouraged and supported to thrive in different academic areas.

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(09-14-2017 08:38 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 07:49 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 08:26 PM)TedHead Wrote:  Got to start programs for the future. Cyber Security is huge and should be an area of interest and importance. To keep up with the big dogs and get huge donors you got to start producing Doctors and or Lawyers. Liberty has both and God to pad their contributions. UVA and VT and W&M and Richmond all have medical and or law schools.

Yes, Cyber Operations are crucial to the future, especially with the Air Force looking at combining the 24th/25th. A lot more of this work will be coming to Langley, but San Antonio (Lackland) has a good case to take it all if we don't get the talent. ODU ought to be using its resources within its CUSA affiliation to copy what UTSA is doing. Believe it or not, UTSA has one of the best cyber schools in the country and the Air Force is heavily involved. ODU needs to get full-in on that bandwagon before CNU or W&M does. It is a real need around here. Aside from the Air Force, which has a large and likely growing cyber presence in the area, the Navy also has a small cyber presence at Dam Neck. Note, I am talking cyber operations, not cyber security, which everyone and their mothers are already trying to get involved with.

This is another area where the state of VA screws its universities though. ODU was on the forefront of STEM education and at one point was a strong contender for top three engineering programs in the state. Then VA lets all these other schools open engineering schools which waters down the pool of applicants and resources for that area. Even if ODU went all in on Cybersecurity today, they'd still let CNU or WM or VCU or JMU go all in on it too. For whatever reason, ODU is not allowed to have a differential, and when it start to the state just opens new programs elsewhere rather than steering the best of students in that area here.

At one point ODU was known for science, engineering, technology. VCU was known for art and medicine and GMU for political science, liberal arts, international studies and JMU for education. Now, other than VCU still having a known art school, we've all moved in on each others differentials and tried to be everything to everyone. In other states schools are encouraged and supported to thrive in different academic areas.

That is why you get the Air Force involved and tie it to the real world instead of developing it as a strictly academic exercise. This is exactly what UTSA did and now San Antonio is becoming the cyber hub. Contractors would be tripping all over themselves to volunteer to teach classes for the access to both the talent and the Air Force POCs that are spending money to contract out cyber operations work. That is the discriminator. Only George Mason would have the capability to match that. VCU, JMU, VT, and even UVA do not have the capability to pull it all together as they simply do not have that industry in their back yard. CNU and W&M are liberal arts schools. ODU is the logical choice, but CNU will steal it right under us if we don't act. It is probably too outside the box for W&M. They are more likely to turn it into an academic exercise.
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(09-11-2017 10:48 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  This is another area where the state of VA screws its universities though. ODU was on the forefront of STEM education and at one point was a strong contender for top three engineering programs in the state. Then VA lets all these other schools open engineering schools which waters down the pool of applicants and resources for that area. Even if ODU went all in on Cybersecurity today, they'd still let CNU or WM or VCU or JMU go all in on it too. For whatever reason, ODU is not allowed to have a differential, and when it start to the state just opens new programs elsewhere rather than steering the best of students in that area here.

At one point ODU was known for science, engineering, technology. VCU was known for art and medicine and GMU for political science, liberal arts, international studies and JMU for education. Now, other than VCU still having a known art school, we've all moved in on each others differentials and tried to be everything to everyone. In other states schools are encouraged and supported to thrive in different academic areas.

I happen to think that this is ok. Giving kids more choices of programs per school is good for the students as opposed to locking them into having to go to one school vs. another to get a certain degree.

That said, ODU needs to compete for these students like the other universities do. And I'm not sure we've developed or taken advantage of that competency. To me ODU in Hampton Roads with all of its student internship and development possibilities should be absolutely killing it. And that's all I will say about that.
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Engineering folks. What are your thoughts on having a Architecture school? And I know you don't have Revit as a software package in your curriculum but as I understand it that's the industry norm now, or it's rapidly moving that way. It's our default, do you think that makes a difference?
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(09-14-2017 09:23 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  Engineering folks. What are your thoughts on having a Architecture school? And I know you don't have Revit as a software package in your curriculum but as I understand it that's the industry norm now, or it's rapidly moving that way. It's our default, do you think that makes a difference?

Agreed that Revit is the primary software to use in the industry right now. Puts ACAD to shame with how much better you can coordinate between all of the other disciplines.

I think having an architecture school makes sense for sure. As a structural engineer it would have been very beneficial to have a couple of architecture classes. Luckily I had some in high school, but it still would have been nice to move on to a higher level of education.
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(09-14-2017 09:25 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  https://www.facebook.com/notes/old-domin...630305938/

Thanks for sharing. Good to know they've identified the issues and are being proactive for next year.
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(09-14-2017 09:23 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  Engineering folks. What are your thoughts on having a Architecture school? And I know you don't have Revit as a software package in your curriculum but as I understand it that's the industry norm now, or it's rapidly moving that way. It's our default, do you think that makes a difference?

Had it been offered, I would have taken it
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Yeah. We hire a lot of ODU alumn for Civil engineering and I believe several mechanical now. But no exposure to Revit. I mean, it's just a software package, but if you aren't exposed to BIM in any way you're having to take quite a bit of time to get running.
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