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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 09:25 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:21 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What are the arguments for or against it?

THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS!

That's it? That's all you got?

There was a time when only land owners could vote. That was changed to all citizens.

What would happen if we let everyone who lives in the country? Would that change anything?

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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:25 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:21 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What are the arguments for or against it?

THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS!

That's it? That's all you got?

There was a time when only land owners could vote. That was changed to all citizens.

What would happen if we let everyone who lives in the country? Would that change anything?

You're sick.

Well there you have it. No argument whatsoever to make against letting everyone who lives in this country vote?
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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 09:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:25 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:21 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What are the arguments for or against it?

THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS!

That's it? That's all you got?

There was a time when only land owners could vote. That was changed to all citizens.

What would happen if we let everyone who lives in the country? Would that change anything?

You're sick.

Well there you have it. No argument whatsoever to make against letting everyone who lives in this country vote?

The bottom line is that they're not citizens of this nation. There isn't a vested interest there. It's also constitutional that only citizens can vote.
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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 09:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:25 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:21 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS!

That's it? That's all you got?

There was a time when only land owners could vote. That was changed to all citizens.

What would happen if we let everyone who lives in the country? Would that change anything?

You're sick.

Well there you have it. No argument whatsoever to make against letting everyone who lives in this country vote?

The bottom line is that they're not citizens of this nation. There isn't a vested interest there. It's also constitutional that only citizens can vote.

They don't have a vested interest in this country? I thought we had 20 million who have lived here an have had children here? If you come to this country to have an "anchor baby" are you not vested in the future of this country?
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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 09:25 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  That's it? That's all you got?

What on earth do you mean "that's all you got?" Did it ever occur to you that other people may have already considered those other angles and rejected them because they are transparently terrible?

My argument is simple, clear, and without nuance: If you are not an American citizen, you do not get to vote in American elections of any type.

Why is that outrageous to you?
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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 09:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:25 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  That's it? That's all you got?

There was a time when only land owners could vote. That was changed to all citizens.

What would happen if we let everyone who lives in the country? Would that change anything?

You're sick.

Well there you have it. No argument whatsoever to make against letting everyone who lives in this country vote?

The bottom line is that they're not citizens of this nation. There isn't a vested interest there. It's also constitutional that only citizens can vote.

They don't have a vested interest in this country? I thought we had 20 million who have lived here an have had children here? If you come to this country to have an "anchor baby" are you not vested in the future of this country?

They are not citizens. They are criminals. They do not have,nor should they have, the right to vote.
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Fit,

One of the reasons you restrict it to citizens is because it makes it harder for foreign elements to meddle in US politics. I thought the left was all hot and bothered by foreign governments screwing with elections. Now all they would have to to get 2,000 people into New Hampshire to swing a state, fewer to grab some congressional seats.
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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
What's the point in being a citizen?
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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 10:11 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:25 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  That's it? That's all you got?

What on earth do you mean "that's all you got?" Did it ever occur to you that other people may have already considered those other angles and rejected them because they are transparently terrible?

My argument is simple, clear, and without nuance: If you are not an American citizen, you do not get to vote in American elections of any type.

Why is that outrageous to you?

I was expecting you to say stuff about how it would adversely effect elections or non citizens are not vested in the best interest of the country etc etc.

I understand the law and do not wish to change it. That isn't what I was asking.
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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 09:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  You're sick.

Well there you have it. No argument whatsoever to make against letting everyone who lives in this country vote?

The bottom line is that they're not citizens of this nation. There isn't a vested interest there. It's also constitutional that only citizens can vote.

They don't have a vested interest in this country? I thought we had 20 million who have lived here an have had children here? If you come to this country to have an "anchor baby" are you not vested in the future of this country?

No, they don't. They're taking advantage of this country. Do I need to define "vesting" for you?
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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 10:23 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  You're sick.

Well there you have it. No argument whatsoever to make against letting everyone who lives in this country vote?

The bottom line is that they're not citizens of this nation. There isn't a vested interest there. It's also constitutional that only citizens can vote.

They don't have a vested interest in this country? I thought we had 20 million who have lived here an have had children here? If you come to this country to have an "anchor baby" are you not vested in the future of this country?

No, they don't. They're taking advantage of this country. Do I need to define "vesting" for you?

Who isn't taking advantage of this country? Who doesn't live here because they love the freedom, the social advancement, the opportunities granted to us by this country?

Come on man, you have to do better than that. They come here because they know what everyone in the world knows. We are the best country in the world.

We don't have to be great again, we are already great.
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(09-13-2017 10:15 AM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  What's the point in being a citizen?

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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:23 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Well there you have it. No argument whatsoever to make against letting everyone who lives in this country vote?

The bottom line is that they're not citizens of this nation. There isn't a vested interest there. It's also constitutional that only citizens can vote.

They don't have a vested interest in this country? I thought we had 20 million who have lived here an have had children here? If you come to this country to have an "anchor baby" are you not vested in the future of this country?

No, they don't. They're taking advantage of this country. Do I need to define "vesting" for you?

Who isn't taking advantage of this country? Who doesn't live here because they love the freedom, the social advancement, the opportunities granted to us by this country?

Come on man, you have to do better than that. They come here because they know what everyone in the world knows. We are the best country in the world.

We don't have to be great again, we are already great.

"Great" is subjective.

Are our public school systems great?
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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 10:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:23 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  The bottom line is that they're not citizens of this nation. There isn't a vested interest there. It's also constitutional that only citizens can vote.

They don't have a vested interest in this country? I thought we had 20 million who have lived here an have had children here? If you come to this country to have an "anchor baby" are you not vested in the future of this country?

No, they don't. They're taking advantage of this country. Do I need to define "vesting" for you?

Who isn't taking advantage of this country? Who doesn't live here because they love the freedom, the social advancement, the opportunities granted to us by this country?

Come on man, you have to do better than that. They come here because they know what everyone in the world knows. We are the best country in the world.

We don't have to be great again, we are already great.

"Great" is subjective.

Are our public school systems great?

In many ways yes. In our current public school system, a normal child can start Kindergarten without even knowing English and graduate as a senior knowing two languages and be prepared to enter the working world or go to college.

Do some other countries do it better? Of course. Do we have problems? Of course.

That doesn't mean however that we should throw the baby out with the bath water.
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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 09:25 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:21 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What are the arguments for or against it?

THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS!

That's it? That's all you got?

That's all that matters.
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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 10:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:23 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  They don't have a vested interest in this country? I thought we had 20 million who have lived here an have had children here? If you come to this country to have an "anchor baby" are you not vested in the future of this country?

No, they don't. They're taking advantage of this country. Do I need to define "vesting" for you?

Who isn't taking advantage of this country? Who doesn't live here because they love the freedom, the social advancement, the opportunities granted to us by this country?

Come on man, you have to do better than that. They come here because they know what everyone in the world knows. We are the best country in the world.

We don't have to be great again, we are already great.

"Great" is subjective.

Are our public school systems great?

In many ways yes. In our current public school system, a normal child can start Kindergarten without even knowing English and graduate as a senior knowing two languages and be prepared to enter the working world or go to college.

Do some other countries do it better? Of course. Do we have problems? Of course.

That doesn't mean however that we should throw the baby out with the bath water.
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RE: College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:23 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Well there you have it. No argument whatsoever to make against letting everyone who lives in this country vote?

The bottom line is that they're not citizens of this nation. There isn't a vested interest there. It's also constitutional that only citizens can vote.

They don't have a vested interest in this country? I thought we had 20 million who have lived here an have had children here? If you come to this country to have an "anchor baby" are you not vested in the future of this country?

No, they don't. They're taking advantage of this country. Do I need to define "vesting" for you?

Who isn't taking advantage of this country? Who doesn't live here because they love the freedom, the social advancement, the opportunities granted to us by this country?

Come on man, you have to do better than that. They come here because they know what everyone in the world knows. We are the best country in the world.

We don't have to be great again, we are already great.

have you ever been to a big city and see the poverty rate AND homelessness
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College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote
(09-13-2017 10:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:23 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  They don't have a vested interest in this country? I thought we had 20 million who have lived here an have had children here? If you come to this country to have an "anchor baby" are you not vested in the future of this country?

No, they don't. They're taking advantage of this country. Do I need to define "vesting" for you?

Who isn't taking advantage of this country? Who doesn't live here because they love the freedom, the social advancement, the opportunities granted to us by this country?

Come on man, you have to do better than that. They come here because they know what everyone in the world knows. We are the best country in the world.

We don't have to be great again, we are already great.

"Great" is subjective.

Are our public school systems great?

In many ways yes. In our current public school system, a normal child can start Kindergarten without even knowing English and graduate as a senior knowing two languages and be prepared to enter the working world or go to college.

Do some other countries do it better? Of course. Do we have problems? Of course.

That doesn't mean however that we should throw the baby out with the bath water.


You are obviously a product of our declining school system. You would be laughable if it wasn't for the fact there are many wackos like you out there. English is the language of the country, are you trying to create a Yugoslavia here so everyone can kill each other?

Non citizens cannot vote, SCOTUS will end this nonsense.


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(09-13-2017 11:14 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:23 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  No, they don't. They're taking advantage of this country. Do I need to define "vesting" for you?

Who isn't taking advantage of this country? Who doesn't live here because they love the freedom, the social advancement, the opportunities granted to us by this country?

Come on man, you have to do better than that. They come here because they know what everyone in the world knows. We are the best country in the world.

We don't have to be great again, we are already great.

"Great" is subjective.

Are our public school systems great?

In many ways yes. In our current public school system, a normal child can start Kindergarten without even knowing English and graduate as a senior knowing two languages and be prepared to enter the working world or go to college.

Do some other countries do it better? Of course. Do we have problems? Of course.

That doesn't mean however that we should throw the baby out with the bath water.
Lol

Yeah, I know. LOL

Where we used to rank #1 in the world, we now are somewhere around 23rd.

We're pushing a high school graduate rating of 50% illiteracy.


BTW, back in the 60s during the space program, the computers didn't have the horsepower they have today. Those guys were using slide rules and making calculations on the fly.
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SCOTUS ? Perhaps Hogan himself will do something.

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