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JMU #7 South Regional University in 2018
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...ties-south

I believe this is a slight improvement from last year? We were either tied for 7th or 8th. I forget exactly. Hopefully someone can remember.

We're still #2 public behind The Citadel. Christopher Newport is right behind us at #11. They've really advanced themselves each year...

VCU drops in the rankings, ODU drops out of the rankings all together. Almost every other VA university appears to have improved or stayed the same.
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RE: JMU #7 South Regional University in 2018
we were #2 behind Rollins for decade + (private or public)

a shame all the growth has resulted in a slip down the rankings.

not that these things matter a whole heck of a lot, but you'd rather be higher than lower
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RE: JMU #7 South Regional University in 2018
oh, and by the way, for those complaining about the student fees for athletics.....within and outside JMU.....tuition at just over $10,000 in-state.

that remains an incredible bargain for what the university provides as far as experience and education.
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(09-12-2017 08:29 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  oh, and by the way, for those complaining about the student fees for athletics.....within and outside JMU.....tuition at just over $10,000 in-state.

that remains an incredible bargain for what the university provides as far as experience and education.

This x1000, my oldest is a sophomore and I can tell you that the total package was significantly less than most of the other state schools she applied to besides maybe Radford. I didn't even think about breaking out the student fees and comparing them, because I've got to pay the whole bill anyway and it was so much less.
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RE: JMU #7 South Regional University in 2018
(09-12-2017 08:29 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  oh, and by the way, for those complaining about the student fees for athletics.....within and outside JMU.....tuition at just over $10,000 in-state.

that remains an incredible bargain for what the university provides as far as experience and education.

Rightttttt, but if athletic fees were reduced then tuition could be lower which would make it even more of an incredible bargain. Or, tuition could remain the same with a larger percentage going to academics, which would hopefully (assuming thoughtful spending) again provide an even more incredible bargain.

Agreed that regardless of the breakdown, JMU provides a GREAT ROI (I Kiplinger's does an ROI ranking where JMU receives ~ top 5 rating). But to use "the school already provides a great bargain" as an excuse (which you might not be doing) for high student student fees doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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(09-12-2017 11:20 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 08:29 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  oh, and by the way, for those complaining about the student fees for athletics.....within and outside JMU.....tuition at just over $10,000 in-state.

that remains an incredible bargain for what the university provides as far as experience and education.

Rightttttt, but if athletic fees were reduced then tuition could be lower which would make it even more of an incredible bargain. Or, tuition could remain the same with a larger percentage going to academics, which would hopefully (assuming thoughtful spending) again provide an even more incredible bargain.

Agreed that regardless of the breakdown, JMU provides a GREAT ROI (I Kiplinger's does an ROI ranking where JMU receives ~ top 5 rating). But to use "the school already provides a great bargain" as an excuse (which you might not be doing) for high student student fees doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

should we do a la carte tuition then?

why should a student that isn't interested in Music or Arts have to pay for the cost of the new music center?

the only difference between the two is that the State mandates athletics fees be separately stated. How much of every student's tuition goes to fund large capital projects or programs that the vast majority of student's will never take part or benefit from?
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(09-12-2017 11:25 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 11:20 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 08:29 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  oh, and by the way, for those complaining about the student fees for athletics.....within and outside JMU.....tuition at just over $10,000 in-state.

that remains an incredible bargain for what the university provides as far as experience and education.

Rightttttt, but if athletic fees were reduced then tuition could be lower which would make it even more of an incredible bargain. Or, tuition could remain the same with a larger percentage going to academics, which would hopefully (assuming thoughtful spending) again provide an even more incredible bargain.

Agreed that regardless of the breakdown, JMU provides a GREAT ROI (I Kiplinger's does an ROI ranking where JMU receives ~ top 5 rating). But to use "the school already provides a great bargain" as an excuse (which you might not be doing) for high student student fees doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

should we do a la carte tuition then?

why should a student that isn't interested in Music or Arts have to pay for the cost of the new music center?

the only difference between the two is that the State mandates athletics fees be separately stated. How much of every student's tuition goes to fund large capital projects or programs that the vast majority of student's will never take part or benefit from?

I agree with your sentiment. Playing devil's advocate, I'm going to guess the argument would be that any student can sign up for a music class, but not everyone can play on the sports teams.
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(09-12-2017 11:27 AM)jmu007 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 11:25 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 11:20 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 08:29 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  oh, and by the way, for those complaining about the student fees for athletics.....within and outside JMU.....tuition at just over $10,000 in-state.

that remains an incredible bargain for what the university provides as far as experience and education.

Rightttttt, but if athletic fees were reduced then tuition could be lower which would make it even more of an incredible bargain. Or, tuition could remain the same with a larger percentage going to academics, which would hopefully (assuming thoughtful spending) again provide an even more incredible bargain.

Agreed that regardless of the breakdown, JMU provides a GREAT ROI (I Kiplinger's does an ROI ranking where JMU receives ~ top 5 rating). But to use "the school already provides a great bargain" as an excuse (which you might not be doing) for high student student fees doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

should we do a la carte tuition then?

why should a student that isn't interested in Music or Arts have to pay for the cost of the new music center?

the only difference between the two is that the State mandates athletics fees be separately stated. How much of every student's tuition goes to fund large capital projects or programs that the vast majority of student's will never take part or benefit from?

I agree with your sentiment. Playing devil's advocate, I'm going to guess the argument would be that any student can sign up for a music class, but not everyone can play on the sports teams.

Not exactly true. Any student can sign up for a music appreciation class but not necessarily participate in the upper level classes for music majors.
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(09-12-2017 11:27 AM)jmu007 Wrote:  I agree with your sentiment. Playing devil's advocate, I'm going to guess the argument would be that any student can sign up for a music class, but not everyone can play on the sports teams.

Everyone student can attend an athletic event for no additional cost. Whether they choose to take advantage of that or not is their own prerogative.
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RE: JMU #7 South Regional University in 2018
we should be clear here - the fees are not HIGH... the fees are a higher percentage of the sports budget when compared to other schools (34M of 47M)

In actual dollars, the fees are lower than average... the average mandatory fee in 2016 was $1,700 - JMU was just $1,366.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryancraig/2...2fe55a607e

Never saw that article before - a good read and it makes the argument that JMU is aiming to use sports the same way 'bama has... our first sign of smoke for SEC
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Yeah, people see the total dollar amount and say, "oh my god, how dare they!". They don't bother to do the math and see that isn't not even as expensive per student as other universities at the D1 level and those schools are doing a whole lot less with their athletic buck too.

A lot of message board critics fail to point out that JMU has over 21k students enrolled. They think we're a 6k or 10k school just because we're not in the P5.
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(09-12-2017 11:25 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 11:20 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 08:29 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  oh, and by the way, for those complaining about the student fees for athletics.....within and outside JMU.....tuition at just over $10,000 in-state.

that remains an incredible bargain for what the university provides as far as experience and education.

Rightttttt, but if athletic fees were reduced then tuition could be lower which would make it even more of an incredible bargain. Or, tuition could remain the same with a larger percentage going to academics, which would hopefully (assuming thoughtful spending) again provide an even more incredible bargain.

Agreed that regardless of the breakdown, JMU provides a GREAT ROI (I Kiplinger's does an ROI ranking where JMU receives ~ top 5 rating). But to use "the school already provides a great bargain" as an excuse (which you might not be doing) for high student student fees doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

should we do a la carte tuition then?

why should a student that isn't interested in Music or Arts have to pay for the cost of the new music center?

the only difference between the two is that the State mandates athletics fees be separately stated. How much of every student's tuition goes to fund large capital projects or programs that the vast majority of student's will never take part or benefit from?

Sorry, but I think you are reaching for something that isn't there (or just don't understand what I'm attempting to say). To clarify my thoughts, just because the total tuition amount is a great bargain, that doesn't absolve JMU of their responsibility to spend the tuition they do charge appropriately. As such, I can be happy about the total tuition amount and still believe that student fees are high. Or likewise, you can be happy about the total tuition amount and complain that too much is going to the music department.

You appear to be advocating that because total tuition is a great bargain, where the money is going isn't an issue. That line of thinking means you are cool with JA upping tuition to $11k or $15k or whatever amount you would still consider to be a bargain and using the extra money as fuel for a bonfire. I doubt you would agree with that.
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(09-12-2017 12:16 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  That line of thinking means you are cool with JA upping tuition to $11k or $15k or whatever amount you would still consider to be a bargain and using the extra money as fuel for a bonfire.

I think JMU should use any extra money on hiring Van Halen to play at a few tailgates during football season. You know, before they break up and all.

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(09-12-2017 12:07 PM)Potomac Wrote:  Yeah, people see the total dollar amount and say, "oh my god, how dare they!". They don't bother to do the math and see that isn't not even as expensive per student as other universities at the D1 level and those schools are doing a whole lot less with their athletic buck too.

A lot of message board critics fail to point out that JMU has over 21k students enrolled. They think we're a 6k or 10k school just because we're not in the P5.

To be clear, I don't believe I have ever mentioned student fees are high in isolation. I however do believe that we spend as if we have an endless piggy bank which is the students. I'm not looking it up again but I believe we spend about ~$5M more than ODU on three expense line items within the athletic budget which I believe should be comparable. Just that is $240 back in student pockets each semester (or JMUSteelers), an giving Duke Dawg and even more 'incredible bargain.'
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ha. someone is way more bitter about it than I am. honestly, Triple DDD....i could care less either way.

Looking forward to the game Saturday and every Saturday and the start of hoops season in a couple months !

Go Dukes !
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again..our fees are below the national average for D1 - $1,366 compared to mean of $1,700 ...

there probably is some fat we can trim... there probably are ways to do more with the $47M ... but we are not ravaging children or their parents pocketbooks here
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(09-12-2017 01:18 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  ha. someone is way more bitter about it than I am. honestly, Triple DDD....i could care less either way.

Looking forward to the game Saturday and every Saturday and the start of hoops season in a couple months !

Go Dukes !

I'm not bitter at all. You came back to drop a 'oh, by the way...' which wasn't relevant to the convo, I just pointed that out.
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(09-12-2017 01:33 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  again..our fees are below the national average for D1 - $1,366 compared to mean of $1,700 ...

there probably is some fat we can trim... there probably are ways to do more with the $47M ... but we are not ravaging children or their parents pocketbooks here

Dude, you are wrong. You have incorrectly equated "mandatory student fees" to athletic fees. But if you check out the actual source you will see they are talking all fees and provide a few examples...

Quote:The parade of fees on college campuses never seems to end. There are extra charges to start college, such as orientation fees and freshman fees, and extra charges to finish, such as senior fees and commencement fees. There are nickel-and-dime fees, like $8.50 at Indiana University to drop a class after two days, and large ones, like $3,049 to major in digital media and animation at Alfred State College, State University of New York.

In the case of JMU these "mandatory student fees" include a $96 internet connection fee and a $180 orientation fees and others. Comparing our athletic fee to a mandatory fee isn't applicable. The number you wanted to compare to that $1,700 was actually $4,256 (as of Jan '15). http://www.breezejmu.org/sports/general-...e8d06.html

All you had to do was click the link and read two sentences.
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Student fees, to me, are like Country Club dues.

If the dues are more important than whats inside the club, find another club.

If you want JMU, you'll gladly pay the fees.
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(09-12-2017 12:07 PM)Potomac Wrote:  Yeah, people see the total dollar amount and say, "oh my god, how dare they!". They don't bother to do the math and see that isn't not even as expensive per student as other universities at the D1 level and those schools are doing a whole lot less with their athletic buck too.

A lot of message board critics fail to point out that JMU has over 21k students enrolled. They think we're a 6k or 10k school just because we're not in the P5.

I agree with this. As the father of a freshman who just stroked my first check to JMU, I can tell you I could have given a rat's @ss how the money was allocated between tuition and fees. JMU is a great bargain for the money, even compared with other state schools. I think I posted it here before, but here goes again (in state tuition and mandatory fees / full year):

College of William and Mary    $22,044
Virginia Military Institute   $18,214
University of Virginia   $16,068
Christopher Newport University  $13,654
Virginia Commonwealth University  $13,624
Virginia Tech   $13,230
Longwood University   $12,720
University of Mary Washington   $12,128
George Mason University   $11,929
James Madison University   $10,878
Radford University   $10,627
Old Dominion University   $10,350
UVA-Wise   $9,825
Norfolk State University   $9,036
Virginia State University   $8,726
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