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We're P6. This thread is fake news.
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(09-11-2017 07:16 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 06:20 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I am sure if you spoke to any fan of a team in a P5 conference, they could not imagine a day when they were no longer "P5" or "BCS."

With that, programs like UCONN, and USF have experienced being on the inside, then ending up somewhat on the outside looking in.

Questions for those fans: At what point did you start to believe you would no longer be in a conference that was considered a "major" conference or "power" conference? Aside from money, what is the difference regarding your program now, as opposed to then?

I love realignment and expansion talk, and I have always been curious what that is like.

You did know that a majority of the current AAC members came out of the CUSA 1.0/1.5? In the first round of expansion UC, USF and Louisville?

In the 2nd round of expansion UCF, Memphis, Houston, and SMU got in with a few years left on the BE's AQ status so arguably they got to enjoy it but arguably they weren't there long enough for its affects to take effect.

The BE changing into the AAC added Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU from that same CUSA.... we have never been "AQ."
UCF took advantage of their year at the big table and had a Fiesta.
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(09-12-2017 07:23 AM)Meatwad Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 07:16 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 06:20 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I am sure if you spoke to any fan of a team in a P5 conference, they could not imagine a day when they were no longer "P5" or "BCS."

With that, programs like UCONN, and USF have experienced being on the inside, then ending up somewhat on the outside looking in.

Questions for those fans: At what point did you start to believe you would no longer be in a conference that was considered a "major" conference or "power" conference? Aside from money, what is the difference regarding your program now, as opposed to then?

I love realignment and expansion talk, and I have always been curious what that is like.

You did know that a majority of the current AAC members came out of the CUSA 1.0/1.5? In the first round of expansion UC, USF and Louisville?

In the 2nd round of expansion UCF, Memphis, Houston, and SMU got in with a few years left on the BE's AQ status so arguably they got to enjoy it but arguably they weren't there long enough for its affects to take effect.

The BE changing into the AAC added Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU from that same CUSA.... we have never been "AQ."
UCF took advantage of their year at the big table and had a Fiesta.

We had a fiesta too but sadly a sooner ruined it...
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(09-11-2017 06:20 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I am sure if you spoke to any fan of a team in a P5 conference, they could not imagine a day when they were no longer "P5" or "BCS."

With that, programs like UCONN, and USF have experienced being on the inside, then ending up somewhat on the outside looking in.

Questions for those fans: At what point did you start to believe you would no longer be in a conference that was considered a "major" conference or "power" conference? Aside from money, what is the difference regarding your program now, as opposed to then?

I love realignment and expansion talk, and I have always been curious what that is like.

It hit me When we were seeded 7th after having a pretty solid year and making the AAC final , also the fact that SMU was snubbed that year played a role in to my opinion. IK that is basketball but we had already lost our winning ways in football (Two straight before 5-7 seasonwe moved to the American.)
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(09-12-2017 07:33 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 06:20 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I am sure if you spoke to any fan of a team in a P5 conference, they could not imagine a day when they were no longer "P5" or "BCS."

With that, programs like UCONN, and USF have experienced being on the inside, then ending up somewhat on the outside looking in.

Questions for those fans: At what point did you start to believe you would no longer be in a conference that was considered a "major" conference or "power" conference? Aside from money, what is the difference regarding your program now, as opposed to then?

I love realignment and expansion talk, and I have always been curious what that is like.

It hit me When we were seeded 7th after having a pretty solid year and making the AAC final , also the fact that SMU was snubbed that year played a role in to my opinion. IK that is basketball but we had already lost our winning ways in football (Two straight before 5-7 seasonwe moved to the American.)

Yea, that was brutal. With that, I think in basketball things are different. Teams can get high seeds based on a combination of their season, and their historical record (See Zaga, Cincinnati, etc).
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(09-11-2017 07:16 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 06:20 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I am sure if you spoke to any fan of a team in a P5 conference, they could not imagine a day when they were no longer "P5" or "BCS."

With that, programs like UCONN, and USF have experienced being on the inside, then ending up somewhat on the outside looking in.

Questions for those fans: At what point did you start to believe you would no longer be in a conference that was considered a "major" conference or "power" conference? Aside from money, what is the difference regarding your program now, as opposed to then?

I love realignment and expansion talk, and I have always been curious what that is like.

You did know that a majority of the current AAC members came out of the CUSA 1.0/1.5? In the first round of expansion UC, USF and Louisville?

In the 2nd round of expansion UCF, Memphis, Houston, and SMU got in with a few years left on the BE's AQ status so arguably they got to enjoy it but arguably they weren't there long enough for its affects to take effect.

The BE changing into the AAC added Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU from that same CUSA.... we have never been "AQ."

I was talking more about recent years with UCONN, USF, and Cincinnati, since they were indeed Big East AQ, and were part of the conference during the "transition."
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(09-12-2017 08:42 AM)fanhood Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 07:33 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 06:20 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I am sure if you spoke to any fan of a team in a P5 conference, they could not imagine a day when they were no longer "P5" or "BCS."

With that, programs like UCONN, and USF have experienced being on the inside, then ending up somewhat on the outside looking in.

Questions for those fans: At what point did you start to believe you would no longer be in a conference that was considered a "major" conference or "power" conference? Aside from money, what is the difference regarding your program now, as opposed to then?

I love realignment and expansion talk, and I have always been curious what that is like.

It hit me When we were seeded 7th after having a pretty solid year and making the AAC final , also the fact that SMU was snubbed that year played a role in to my opinion. IK that is basketball but we had already lost our winning ways in football (Two straight before 5-7 seasonwe moved to the American.)

Yea, that was brutal. With that, I think in basketball things are different. Teams can get high seeds based on a combination of their season, and their historical record (See Zaga, Cincinnati, etc).

Speaking of basketball and your original post abut how life has been different:

For Cincinnati it has been a major change. The shakeup flipped the script locally. UC has always been in a bigger conference and had more notoriety than Xavier University. Now, the narrative for the uneducated in town and the media (mostly XU supporters) is that Xavier is in a major conference while UC is a mid-major. To top it off Xavier makes double on their media deal what UC does in all-sports.

It also effected basketball recruiting for the Bearcats. While in the Big East, UC primarily recruited in NY, NJ and on the east coast. Since we have been in the AAC it has shifted to the South (although we have dabbled in some east coast cities). I'm not sure if has anything to do with the shakeup, but I would argue that this move is not a bad thing for UC, as it seems as if we have recruited higher skilled players the past few classes than we did while in the Big East. Then again that could just be because Mick thought we needed bruisers to play within that conference as opposed to now.
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(09-11-2017 06:20 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I am sure if you spoke to any fan of a team in a P5 conference, they could not imagine a day when they were no longer "P5" or "BCS."

With that, programs like UCONN, and USF have experienced being on the inside, then ending up somewhat on the outside looking in.

Questions for those fans: At what point did you start to believe you would no longer be in a conference that was considered a "major" conference or "power" conference? Aside from money, what is the difference regarding your program now, as opposed to then?

I love realignment and expansion talk, and I have always been curious what that is like.

Cincy is in the same boat. but had more FB success than the other 2.
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(09-11-2017 06:20 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Questions for those fans: At what point did you start to believe you would no longer be in a conference that was considered a "major" conference or "power" conference? Aside from money, what is the difference regarding your program now, as opposed to then?

I first realized we were likely to be relegated when WVU, TCU, Syracuse, and Pitt all left the Big East between September and November 2011 with the BCS contract expiration coming due the next year.

The other AQ conferences had been wanting to boot the Big East from the AQ ranks for years, the only thing that had saved us was the BCS contract language.

IOW's, there was a decent chance we were going to get booted from AQ when the BCS deal expired, even with those schools. Without them we were 100% doomed.

At a football program level, the experience of moving from AQ to G5 hasn't been fully-impacted yet. You have to remember that financially, the Big East was always the tail-end of AQ, so it's not like we went from getting $25m a year from a conference to $2m. With the distribution of Big East legacy money, we have been getting pretty much the same money that we did during the Big East days, though that is coming to an end very soon.

Pride-wise, recall again that the Big East was (unfairly, but still) regarded as the 'runt' of the AQ litter, so we were never accorded the same prestige/status as schools in the other AQ conferences got, and the AAC is given more respect than other G5.

So while we did take a prestige hit, it wasn't a huge hit, like it would be for say an SEC school going to C-USA. All that said, it still .... sucks big time.
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(09-11-2017 06:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think its really good. The AAC is 10x better than the Big East.
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(09-11-2017 09:27 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Sorry, I forgot to mention Temple was in the Big East for, what, 12 or 13 years? So 7 out of 12 members have been in a power conference, with 6 of those in the recent past.

Also Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, East Carolina, and Navy all played very tough schedules in the independent days. Every team in this conference has had a taste of the good life, but we are actively being forced out.

Memphis wanted to be an independent so we could play 4 SEC teams each year.

We had home and homes with Ole Miss, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Mississippi State pretty much from 1960s-1990s. Add in we played Louisville and Southern Miss every year as well.
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(09-12-2017 09:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 06:20 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Questions for those fans: At what point did you start to believe you would no longer be in a conference that was considered a "major" conference or "power" conference? Aside from money, what is the difference regarding your program now, as opposed to then?

I first realized we were likely to be relegated when WVU, TCU, Syracuse, and Pitt all left the Big East between September and November 2011 with the BCS contract expiration coming due the next year.

The other AQ conferences had been wanting to boot the Big East from the AQ ranks for years, the only thing that had saved us was the BCS contract language.

IOW's, there was a decent chance we were going to get booted from AQ when the BCS deal expired, even with those schools. Without them we were 100% doomed.

At a football program level, the experience of moving from AQ to G5 hasn't been fully-impacted yet. You have to remember that financially, the Big East was always the tail-end of AQ, so it's not like we went from getting $25m a year from a conference to $2m. With the distribution of Big East legacy money, we have been getting pretty much the same money that we did during the Big East days, though that is coming to an end very soon.

Pride-wise, recall again that the Big East was (unfairly, but still) regarded as the 'runt' of the AQ litter, so we were never accorded the same prestige/status as schools in the other AQ conferences got, and the AAC is given more respect than other G5.

So while we did take a prestige hit, it wasn't a huge hit, like it would be for say an SEC school going to C-USA. All that said, it still .... sucks big time.

Great insight. Thanks.
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(09-11-2017 10:18 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 10:13 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  ECU Football was accepted to the Big East in 2012. When the Pirates arrived in 2014, the train had left the station.

BTW...I grant you an early parole from the "Root for" bet. Gotta have you rooting to get ECU back on track instead. It's in all our best interests.

Thanks HuskyU.
I noticed you were briefly aboard the Pirate ship. How was it with the wind in your face, the saltwater spray, and the booty?
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masterful troll job fanhood <tip of the cap>

you got a lot of folks to say how much they miss the seat at the big boy table and in doing so, debunked the P6 among the same group....

again, this was a master level move
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Not sure if serious but I will give my 2 cents. It was a sucker punch for sure. I like the AAC a lot. A whole lot. But the fact remains, the Big East was seen by most as in the club, and the AAC is not by most. I hope it gets there somehow. I guess we had no real idea the Big East was going to end. Sure, there were rumblings about discord among football and basketball schools, but the BE seemed to strengthen it's hand by adding TCU. The BE then turned down a major TV deal, hoping to get even more on the open market. In hindsight, that was THE decision, IMO that doomed BE. Then, Syracuse, and specifically Pitt, went behind BE's back, stabbed the BE in the back, and secretly negotiated with ACC, all while putting on this great front with the Big East...isn't that always how it's done. If I remember correctly, Pitt even spearheaded the call to reject ESPN's offer, then secretly negotiated with ACC below the radar. Caught BE totally by surprise. Still, the BE still had seven football teams and could have survived, but everyone got skittish and started looking for lifeboats. USF football was kind of down then under Holtz and right then and there, I knew it would be a tough sell to get USF in another conf. That was one of the major factors in USF not finding a raft. There were some noise USF was meeting with ACC, but I knew that wouldn't amount to anything. Everyone got scared, instead of looking to rebuild. First you hear TCU backing out, then WVU looking around, then Louisville and Rutgers (I have no idea who left first and in what order). Speaking of Rutgers, has there EVER been a more lucky program ever. Well, when Rutgers and Louisville left I knew it was over. Sure we tried to rebuild, and there was talk that the BE would try to retain some type of auto bid, but I figured it wasn't going to happen, and guess what, it didn't. It was like someone punched you in the gut and walked away. Don't get me wrong I truly like the AAC, and every single program in it, but once you have tasted the big time, it's hard to go back.

In hind sight, the old BE should have went to 10-12 football teams back in 05 with schools such as TCU, UCF, Navy, ECU, etc. The BE would be alive today, and most likely still a power conference. John Marinatto (old BE commish) was too slow reacting, and is one of the major reasons why the BE fell apart.
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Only Houston and SMU have been in a real conference. Big East doesn't count.
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(09-12-2017 10:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Only Houston and SMU have been in a real conference. Big East doesn't count.

Apparently, the SEC doesn't count either.
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(09-12-2017 10:18 PM)TU77CAL82 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Only Houston and SMU have been in a real conference. Big East doesn't count.

Apparently, the SEC doesn't count either.


Crap, sorry Tulane
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(09-12-2017 10:19 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:18 PM)TU77CAL82 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Only Houston and SMU have been in a real conference. Big East doesn't count.

Apparently, the SEC doesn't count either.


Crap, sorry Tulane

That's OK. We try not to think about it ourselves.
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(09-12-2017 09:18 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Not sure if serious but I will give my 2 cents. It was a sucker punch for sure. I like the AAC a lot. A whole lot. But the fact remains, the Big East was seen by most as in the club, and the AAC is not by most. I hope it gets there somehow. I guess we had no real idea the Big East was going to end. Sure, there were rumblings about discord among football and basketball schools, but the BE seemed to strengthen it's hand by adding TCU. The BE then turned down a major TV deal, hoping to get even more on the open market. In hindsight, that was THE decision, IMO that doomed BE. Then, Syracuse, and specifically Pitt, went behind BE's back, stabbed the BE in the back, and secretly negotiated with ACC, all while putting on this great front with the Big East...isn't that always how it's done. If I remember correctly, Pitt even spearheaded the call to reject ESPN's offer, then secretly negotiated with ACC below the radar. Caught BE totally by surprise. Still, the BE still had seven football teams and could have survived, but everyone got skittish and started looking for lifeboats. USF football was kind of down then under Holtz and right then and there, I knew it would be a tough sell to get USF in another conf. That was one of the major factors in USF not finding a raft. There were some noise USF was meeting with ACC, but I knew that wouldn't amount to anything. Everyone got scared, instead of looking to rebuild. First you hear TCU backing out, then WVU looking around, then Louisville and Rutgers (I have no idea who left first and in what order). Speaking of Rutgers, has there EVER been a more lucky program ever. Well, when Rutgers and Louisville left I knew it was over. Sure we tried to rebuild, and there was talk that the BE would try to retain some type of auto bid, but I figured it wasn't going to happen, and guess what, it didn't. It was like someone punched you in the gut and walked away. Don't get me wrong I truly like the AAC, and every single program in it, but once you have tasted the big time, it's hard to go back.

In hind sight, the old BE should have went to 10-12 football teams back in 05 with schools such as TCU, UCF, Navy, ECU, etc. The BE would be alive today, and most likely still a power conference. John Marinatto (old BE commish) was too slow reacting, and is one of the major reasons why the BE fell apart.

Good synopsis. I imagine the strangest part is once being in the club, meaning you get all of the coverage, then within a short period of time, your program is getting the "non AQ" treatment. Yet, logically, your program has not changed.
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