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RE: Portland Police Are Purging Gang Database Because There Aren't Enough White Gangs
(09-12-2017 11:27 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 11:09 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 11:08 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 11:00 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:57 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  I know for a fact that known Hell's Angels (and other motorcycle gangs) members are in the gang database so I guess that shoots that theory right out of the water.

That's what I figured. I guess the left NEEDS to keep the racism alive.

Yeah, from experience it's not often you interact with someone sporting Hell's Angels colors or the colors of one of their support clubs and they not be in the database. Law enforcement, especially the feds, keep a very close eye on those thugs DEA agent I know told me once he could give me close to the exact date when nazi-method meth started being made in SC by when they had the first pictures of the HA chemist from Arizona at the HA compound n Moncks Corner, SC in late 2003/early 2004.

So where is the TV coverage?

Why isn't Trump speaking out against biker gangs?

http://www.newsweek.com/indictment-shows...ing-570240

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/2017/06/16...405375001/

http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/ar...973900.php

http://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/new.../79366060/

https://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-...ng-charges

http://www.woodburybulletin.com/news/928...al-charges

http://www.woodburybulletin.com/news/928...al-charges









Sometimes to see you have to actually open your eyes.

Wow a whopping 7 stories? Come on man.
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Here is a list of stories about all the times Trump has mentioned MS 13

What Can Trump Do About MS-13? - The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive...13/535263/
Jul 28, 2017 - But the stories describing MS-13 killings have nevertheless provided Trump a perfect bogeyman, one his administration has been willing to ...
Media sympathizes with MS-13, lambasts Trump | Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/31/med...trump.html
Jul 31, 2017 - Trump's Friday speech on Long Island, where MS-13 gang members have ... on Wednesday visited Ohio and told a story about gang violence.
Trump: 'We're going to destroy' MS-13 - CNNPolitics - CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/28/politics/d...index.html
Jul 28, 2017 - President Donald Trump delivered a fiery law-and-order speech in Long Island on ... Trump: 'We're going to destroy' MS-13 ..... Story highlights.
MS-13 members: Trump makes the gang stronger - CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/28/us/ms-13-g...index.html
Jul 28, 2017 - MS-13 gang memebrs say President Trump's immigration rheteroic is making the gang stronger, as immigrants fear to go to the police against MS-13 attacks. ... helping them." CNN's Brandon Griggs contributed to this story.
On Long Island, Trump highlights violence from MS-13 gang to push ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../in-lo...from-ms...
Jul 28, 2017 - On Long Island, Trump highlights violence from MS-13 gang to push ... President Trump keeps referencing MS-13. .... The story must be told.
Trump's MS-13 crackdown: Going after suspected gang members for ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../trump...c2e5cf4...
Aug 31, 2017 - Trump's MS-13 crackdown: Going after suspected gang members for immigration violations .... 5 stories you can't afford to miss, every Saturday.
Donald Trump Continues to Comment on MS-13 Gang | Teen Vogue
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/donald-tr...ms-13-gang
Jul 31, 2017 - On July 25, at a rally in Ohio, Trump told supporters, "And you've seen the stories about some of these animals," Trump said. "They don't want ...
Long Island Officials Concerned With Trump's MS-13 Crackdown ...
http://www.npr.org/.../long-island-offic...wn-tactics
Jul 28, 2017 - Long Island Officials Concerned With Trump's MS-13 Crackdown Tactics .... Delivered to your inbox every Sunday, these are the NPR stories ...
Trump heads to Long Island, using brutal MS-13 murders to justify ...
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ms13...story.html
Jul 28, 2017 - Trump heads to Long Island, using brutal MS-13 murders to justify .... In the immigrant community, horror stories abound of migrants being ...
Live: President Trump gives remarks on MS-13 gang - USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...104068248/
Jul 28, 2017 - President Trump is expected to give remarks on the MS-13 gang on Friday in Long Island, NY. On Thursday, Trump tweeted, "Big progress ...
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(09-12-2017 12:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here is a list of stories about all the times Trump has mentioned MS 13

Trump's a fool. But what does what he says have to do with the Portland gang database?
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(09-11-2017 09:52 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Good idea. Don't target the actual known criminals because you're worried about being labeled racists.

Cheers Portland.

That's the stupid Liberalturd nonsense that Oblunder used when he would NOT call radical islamist what they were.
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(09-12-2017 12:21 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 12:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here is a list of stories about all the times Trump has mentioned MS 13

Trump's a fool. But what does what he says have to do with the Portland gang database?

The thread is about whether or not a gang database is necessary or not.

I have presented information suggesting that it isn't and that in fact, it's mostly just hype

Trump's ranting about it is an example of that hype.
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(09-12-2017 01:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
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(09-12-2017 12:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here is a list of stories about all the times Trump has mentioned MS 13

Trump's a fool. But what does what he says have to do with the Portland gang database?

The thread is about whether or not a gang database is necessary or not.

I have presented information suggesting that it isn't and that in fact, it's mostly just hype

Trump's ranting about it is an example of that hype.

You've presented anecdotal experiences about your local gang database and said, in your opinion, the database is racist.

Trump's ranting, one way or another, has nothing to do with your contention of racism. He's not running the database nor using it.

My civil libertarian side has issues with a gang database. However, to claim it is racist or a racist tool is boundless. You've made no factual argument to suggest it is.
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(09-12-2017 01:19 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 01:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 12:21 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 12:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here is a list of stories about all the times Trump has mentioned MS 13

Trump's a fool. But what does what he says have to do with the Portland gang database?

The thread is about whether or not a gang database is necessary or not.

I have presented information suggesting that it isn't and that in fact, it's mostly just hype

Trump's ranting about it is an example of that hype.

You've presented anecdotal experiences about your local gang database and said, in your opinion, the database is racist.

Trump's ranting, one way or another, has nothing to do with your contention of racism. He's not running the database nor using it.

My civil libertarian side has issues with a gang database. However, to claim it is racist or a racist tool is boundless. You've made no factual argument to suggest it is.


Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said it was racist. I said it was racial profiling.
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(09-12-2017 02:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 01:19 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 01:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 12:21 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 12:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here is a list of stories about all the times Trump has mentioned MS 13

Trump's a fool. But what does what he says have to do with the Portland gang database?

The thread is about whether or not a gang database is necessary or not.

I have presented information suggesting that it isn't and that in fact, it's mostly just hype

Trump's ranting about it is an example of that hype.

You've presented anecdotal experiences about your local gang database and said, in your opinion, the database is racist.

Trump's ranting, one way or another, has nothing to do with your contention of racism. He's not running the database nor using it.

My civil libertarian side has issues with a gang database. However, to claim it is racist or a racist tool is boundless. You've made no factual argument to suggest it is.


Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said it was racist. I said it was racial profiling.

A difference without a distinction. Ok. You still haven't made a reasonable argument on why, especially since you can't demonstrate that your specific example, white motorcycle gangs, are not in it.
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(09-11-2017 07:52 AM)Stick4489 Wrote:  Why don't they reach out to the gangs to help them start diversity programs?

Problem solved. Thread winner.



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(09-11-2017 10:05 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 11:19 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Quote:Portland police will no longer maintain a database of suspected gang members, due to concerns that the vast majority of people with the gang label are racial minorities.

Starting Oct. 15, the Portland Police Bureau will end the 20-year practice of issuing gang member designations, which police say can lead to “unintended consequences” and a lifelong stigma even for those who have given up the gang lifestyle. Officials intend to notify the approximately 300 people on the gang list that the bureau will purge all records related to the designations, The Oregonian reported.

City officials and community activists had long urged the bureau to stop attaching the gang designation to criminal suspects, claiming the practice disproportionately impacted people of color.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/10/portla...ite-gangs/

It's called racial profiling and it's lazy police work.

No it's not, it's called suspected gang member profiling and I'd consider that to be VERY important for a Cop to know if pulling someone over, or attempting an arrest etc.

Let's further put their lives at risk so as not to "Oooooffend" some freaking gang bangers. Oh noes, wouldn't want to do that!
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(09-12-2017 10:46 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:04 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 10:05 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 11:19 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Liberalism is a mental disorder.


http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/10/portla...ite-gangs/

It's called racial profiling and it's lazy police work.

Fit even You know better that this. Gangs are a known commodity in communities. Most White gang members ride Harley Davidsons and wear colors. Easy to spot and track.

Funny you should mention bikers. Here locally, we have had a number of shootings at bars involving biker gangs. Some of the one's who were shot were actually touted as heroes because they sometimes rallied for charitable organizations.

How are they any different than MS 13? I wonder if anyone would call them heroes if they were shot?


Of course, we know the real reason why.............

Because biker gangs look like this
[Image: 6af6f70daed83cabf515d3af05ca20b6.jpg]


And MS 13 looks like this................

[Image: 4-17-17-ms13.jpg]

Any criminal gang activity regardless of the race of perpetrators should be punished.

How are they different? I really don't know the answer to that.

I don't hear about HA criminal gang activity but I do hear about MS-13.

If we follow your insinuation, I guess we can blame the leftist mainstream media for perpetuating racism.

There's no mistake about it. True biker gangs can certainly be some bad hombres as well. Mostly from being involved with manufacture of Methamphetamine and PCP, coke trafficking. They also deal in prostitution, extortion, and plenty of other unsavory acts.

So they give away some toys once a year or so, that isn't going to excuse any criminal activity. That, and by and large they aren't the same groups/people. Another dumb reason to excuse this idiocy in Portland.
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(09-12-2017 12:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here is a list of stories about all the times Trump has mentioned MS 13

What Can Trump Do About MS-13? - The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive...13/535263/
Jul 28, 2017 - But the stories describing MS-13 killings have nevertheless provided Trump a perfect bogeyman, one his administration has been willing to ...
Media sympathizes with MS-13, lambasts Trump | Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/31/med...trump.html
Jul 31, 2017 - Trump's Friday speech on Long Island, where MS-13 gang members have ... on Wednesday visited Ohio and told a story about gang violence.
Trump: 'We're going to destroy' MS-13 - CNNPolitics - CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/28/politics/d...index.html
Jul 28, 2017 - President Donald Trump delivered a fiery law-and-order speech in Long Island on ... Trump: 'We're going to destroy' MS-13 ..... Story highlights.
MS-13 members: Trump makes the gang stronger - CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/28/us/ms-13-g...index.html
Jul 28, 2017 - MS-13 gang memebrs say President Trump's immigration rheteroic is making the gang stronger, as immigrants fear to go to the police against MS-13 attacks. ... helping them." CNN's Brandon Griggs contributed to this story.
On Long Island, Trump highlights violence from MS-13 gang to push ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../in-lo...from-ms...
Jul 28, 2017 - On Long Island, Trump highlights violence from MS-13 gang to push ... President Trump keeps referencing MS-13. .... The story must be told.
Trump's MS-13 crackdown: Going after suspected gang members for ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../trump...c2e5cf4...
Aug 31, 2017 - Trump's MS-13 crackdown: Going after suspected gang members for immigration violations .... 5 stories you can't afford to miss, every Saturday.
Donald Trump Continues to Comment on MS-13 Gang | Teen Vogue
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/donald-tr...ms-13-gang
Jul 31, 2017 - On July 25, at a rally in Ohio, Trump told supporters, "And you've seen the stories about some of these animals," Trump said. "They don't want ...
Long Island Officials Concerned With Trump's MS-13 Crackdown ...
http://www.npr.org/.../long-island-offic...wn-tactics
Jul 28, 2017 - Long Island Officials Concerned With Trump's MS-13 Crackdown Tactics .... Delivered to your inbox every Sunday, these are the NPR stories ...
Trump heads to Long Island, using brutal MS-13 murders to justify ...
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ms13...story.html
Jul 28, 2017 - Trump heads to Long Island, using brutal MS-13 murders to justify .... In the immigrant community, horror stories abound of migrants being ...
Live: President Trump gives remarks on MS-13 gang - USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...104068248/
Jul 28, 2017 - President Trump is expected to give remarks on the MS-13 gang on Friday in Long Island, NY. On Thursday, Trump tweeted, "Big progress ...

What the hell does Trump have to do with these lunatics purging a gang file for clearly PC reasons? What other possible reasoning could there be on this?
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What the hell does Trump have to do with these lunatics purging a gang file for clearly PC reasons? What other possible reasoning could there be on this?
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These idiots are blaming Trump for what THEY are doing. I suspect Trump never, ever even mentioned Portland gangs.

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(09-11-2017 12:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  These so called gang lists on many occasions are nothing more than a bunch of teenagers who tagged the wall of a local 7-11 store.

I cannot count how many times I have had a student who is on the so called gang list of local PD only to find out they got on that list simply because a family member was a gangster or because they lived in the same housing project.

I'm calling bull**** on that....

what would ever start a conversation between student and teacher to get to the point of the student telling his teacher...

"I'm on a gang list of local PD"

Once maybe but still a long shot but too many to count? A GC maybe but don't you teach math or history?

So which is it....

tagging a store or because of where their family member lived? One other thing. Did these kids who are so many you can't count tell you how they found out they were on the list? I serious doubt the police are stapling up the list on the telephone poles around town. Or did they get stopped by a police officer because they had some blue or red spray paint on their hands. So the officer said....You are going on the list.
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(09-13-2017 02:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 12:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  These so called gang lists on many occasions are nothing more than a bunch of teenagers who tagged the wall of a local 7-11 store.

I cannot count how many times I have had a student who is on the so called gang list of local PD only to find out they got on that list simply because a family member was a gangster or because they lived in the same housing project.

I'm calling bull**** on that....

what would ever start a conversation between student and teacher to get to the point of the student telling his teacher...

"I'm on a gang list of local PD"

Once maybe but still a long shot but too many to count? A GC maybe but don't you teach math or history?

So which is it....

tagging a store or because of where their family member lived? One other thing. Did these kids who are so many you can't count tell you how they found out they were on the list? I serious doubt the police are stapling up the list on the telephone poles around town. Or did they get stopped by a police officer because they had some blue or red spray paint on their hands. So the officer said....You are going on the list.


When I worked at a middle school, we had an officer on duty who would work security at our school and give us and the students presentations regularly.

Every year, at the beginning of the year, we would get a presentation on gang activity in our area because we had our share of what they considered gang activity. Much of the "gang activity" was centered around a housing project on the northern border of our boundary.

It was at these presentations that our officer would run down the list of kids who had been picked up for petty crimes like graffiti, stealing, curfew, under the influence. etc. etc.

That's how I knew of countless supposed gang members who were placed on a gang list for small time stuff.

I don't know if it's this way in other cities but according to our officer, group of three or more kids who named themselves or wore the same color were considered gang members.

So if you were in the 4th grade, had two best friends, and walked around calling yourselves the three musketeers you were in danger of being stopped and harassed by cops for being a gang.

True story.

Perhaps now you understand why we were taught at an early age to run whenever we saw the cops.
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(09-13-2017 09:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 02:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 12:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  These so called gang lists on many occasions are nothing more than a bunch of teenagers who tagged the wall of a local 7-11 store.

I cannot count how many times I have had a student who is on the so called gang list of local PD only to find out they got on that list simply because a family member was a gangster or because they lived in the same housing project.

I'm calling bull**** on that....

what would ever start a conversation between student and teacher to get to the point of the student telling his teacher...

"I'm on a gang list of local PD"

Once maybe but still a long shot but too many to count? A GC maybe but don't you teach math or history?

So which is it....

tagging a store or because of where their family member lived? One other thing. Did these kids who are so many you can't count tell you how they found out they were on the list? I serious doubt the police are stapling up the list on the telephone poles around town. Or did they get stopped by a police officer because they had some blue or red spray paint on their hands. So the officer said....You are going on the list.


When I worked at a middle school, we had an officer on duty who would work security at our school and give us and the students presentations regularly.

Every year, at the beginning of the year, we would get a presentation on gang activity in our area because we had our share of what they considered gang activity. Much of the "gang activity" was centered around a housing project on the northern border of our boundary.

It was at these presentations that our officer would run down the list of kids who had been picked up for petty crimes like graffiti, stealing, curfew, under the influence. etc. etc.

That's how I knew of countless supposed gang members who were placed on a gang list for small time stuff.

I don't know if it's this way in other cities but according to our officer, group of three or more kids who named themselves or wore the same color were considered gang members.

So if you were in the 4th grade, had two best friends, and walked around calling yourselves the three musketeers you were in danger of being stopped and harassed by cops for being a gang.

True story.

Perhaps now you understand why we were taught at an early age to run whenever we saw the cops.

I was thinking on a different level. That makes sense.
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