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(09-13-2017 06:27 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  One thing where JMU/Bourne screwed up with the schedule. You're weakest home opponent you should put as one of your 3 'draw' games where a weak opponent doesn't matter as much (opener, parents' weekend, or homecoming). Not a stand alone game between the home opener and parents' weekend. Dumb.

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I was paging through the team stats here and noticed something I thought was peculiar. Through two games, we've not gotten one first down through an opponent's penalty. Not one pass interference, not one defensive holding, not one personal foul. (For comparison, NSU has received 11 such first downs through two games.)

Maybe the stat is wrong, but I wonder how many first downs refs have given our opponents by tossing the yellow flag at us (just think ECU alone).

I'm not raving about some perceived conspiracy, but doesn't that seem almost impossible these days with all the rules favoring offenses and WRs?
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(09-14-2017 11:23 AM)91Alum Wrote:  I was paging through the team stats here and noticed something I thought was peculiar. Through two games, we've not gotten one first down through an opponent's penalty. Not one pass interference, not one defensive holding, not one personal foul. (For comparison, NSU has received 11 such first downs through two games.)

Maybe the stat is wrong, but I wonder how many first downs refs have given our opponents by tossing the yellow flag at us (just think ECU alone).

I'm not raving about some perceived conspiracy, but doesn't that seem almost impossible these days with all the rules favoring offenses and WRs?

We've also played with the lead for a good portion of the two games. That shouldn't matter, but in reality it probably does impact whether you are getting calls or not.
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(09-14-2017 08:16 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:27 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  One thing where JMU/Bourne screwed up with the schedule. You're weakest home opponent you should put as one of your 3 'draw' games where a weak opponent doesn't matter as much (opener, parents' weekend, or homecoming). Not a stand alone game between the home opener and parents' weekend. Dumb.

What else could they have done though? E. Tenn. St. College University of Memphis was the opener and I don't think you are suggesting just flipping them and NSU. I bet more students/alums know where NSU is located over ETSCUofM.

Is flipping the game weekends with a CAA opponent really possible? How much say does JMU have when scheduling CAA games? I guess ideally we have a weak game for parents weekend (when the crowd isn't as big of a factor) and then HC feature the toughest team we play that year at home. I don't want to play Nova/UR/UNH in week 2 or 3 though which means we are back in where we are now.

I'll say that the real solution isn't finding the perfect 'draw' games but instead scheduling the more perfect teams. There aren't many good reasons to schedule a top 15 team but there is NO reason to schedule two bottom 25 teams. I liked VMI in 06/07. I liked Lehigh. I think EKU or W. Carolina or Furman or Ivy (if possible) would be good opponents and draw more chatter than NSU or ETSCUofM

What does Univ of Memphis have to do with ETSU?

Where are you seeing ETSU as a bottom 25 team? They weren't last year after finishing 5-6/2-6 out of the So-Con, esp after knocking off playoff Samford. Sagarin has them 84th, and Massey has them 86th of 124. And they will rise from that. I'm willing to be they will be at least 6-5/4-4 this year. You mentioned Furman and WCU as good options- ETSU will probably beat them both this year, and they're a lot closer to book (only about 280 miles/4 hrs from JMU).

Now NSU is bottom 25 (Sagarin has them 106, Massey 105 of 124). I'm fine with scheduling a cupcake as long as its an in state cupcake (VMI, NSU, Hampton), but it should be a 1 and done, or at a minimum a 2 for 1, not the 1 for 1 that Bourne scheduled.

I agree most seasons one OOC should be a driveable So-Con, Patriot, EKU. YSU would be one to consider. Don't see an Ivy happening..
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We may need to ask Mickey to phone in play calls in the second half;

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(09-13-2017 03:03 PM)Dukie95 Wrote:  We can't be the team that permits their first offensive TD of the season.

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Much more likely to happen this game than the remainder of their schedule. Keeping our guys focused for four quarters will be a challenge. This applies to all three phases of the game. Frankly, it will be tough keeping the coaches from grabassing as the game comes to a close.
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(09-14-2017 11:47 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 08:16 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:27 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  One thing where JMU/Bourne screwed up with the schedule. You're weakest home opponent you should put as one of your 3 'draw' games where a weak opponent doesn't matter as much (opener, parents' weekend, or homecoming). Not a stand alone game between the home opener and parents' weekend. Dumb.

What else could they have done though? E. Tenn. St. College University of Memphis was the opener and I don't think you are suggesting just flipping them and NSU. I bet more students/alums know where NSU is located over ETSCUofM.

Is flipping the game weekends with a CAA opponent really possible? How much say does JMU have when scheduling CAA games? I guess ideally we have a weak game for parents weekend (when the crowd isn't as big of a factor) and then HC feature the toughest team we play that year at home. I don't want to play Nova/UR/UNH in week 2 or 3 though which means we are back in where we are now.

I'll say that the real solution isn't finding the perfect 'draw' games but instead scheduling the more perfect teams. There aren't many good reasons to schedule a top 15 team but there is NO reason to schedule two bottom 25 teams. I liked VMI in 06/07. I liked Lehigh. I think EKU or W. Carolina or Furman or Ivy (if possible) would be good opponents and draw more chatter than NSU or ETSCUofM

What does Univ of Memphis have to do with ETSU?

Where are you seeing ETSU as a bottom 25 team? They weren't last year after finishing 5-6/2-6 out of the So-Con, esp after knocking off playoff Samford. Sagarin has them 84th, and Massey has them 86th of 124. And they will rise from that. I'm willing to be they will be at least 6-5/4-4 this year. You mentioned Furman and WCU as good options- ETSU will probably beat them both this year, and they're a lot closer to book (only about 280 miles/4 hrs from JMU).

Now NSU is bottom 25 (Sagarin has them 106, Massey 105 of 124). I'm fine with scheduling a cupcake as long as its an in state cupcake (VMI, NSU, Hampton), but it should be a 1 and done, or at a minimum a 2 for 1, not the 1 for 1 that Bourne scheduled.

I agree most seasons one OOC should be a driveable So-Con, Patriot, EKU. YSU would be one to consider. Don't see an Ivy happening..

I was implying that we played a school named 'ETSCUofM' as E. Tenn. St. doesn't show up on radar for 99% of JMU alums/fans. Bottom 25 wasn't meant to be literal. We just beat them 52-10 without trying, they are a cupcake. I mentioned Furman and WCU as I think more fans will have heard of them than ETSU and as such, assume they are less of a cupcake. I don't think 98% of our fans looked up ETCUofM's Sargarin and Massey ranking prior to the game and most assume a school is better/worse based off the name recognition.

In addition to the scheduling the right teams, it is tough to draw well when you have 3 home games in a row regardless of the team/ranking.
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I'm unable to make the game this weekend, so if anyone out there is looking for tickets, I'll gladly give you mine. All you need to do is pick them up from me at the Henrico Courthouse. PM me if you're interested.
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(09-14-2017 11:23 AM)91Alum Wrote:  I was paging through the team stats here and noticed something I thought was peculiar. Through two games, we've not gotten one first down through an opponent's penalty. Not one pass interference, not one defensive holding, not one personal foul. (For comparison, NSU has received 11 such first downs through two games.)

Maybe the stat is wrong, but I wonder how many first downs refs have given our opponents by tossing the yellow flag at us (just think ECU alone).

I'm not raving about some perceived conspiracy, but doesn't that seem almost impossible these days with all the rules favoring offenses and WRs?

The refs are 0-2 so far this season in terms of not calling an egregious amount of poor penalties during borderline situations. I think we've even had two PI calls with no substantial contact in both games.
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(09-14-2017 11:30 AM)JMUNewbill Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 11:23 AM)91Alum Wrote:  I was paging through the team stats here and noticed something I thought was peculiar. Through two games, we've not gotten one first down through an opponent's penalty. Not one pass interference, not one defensive holding, not one personal foul. (For comparison, NSU has received 11 such first downs through two games.)

Maybe the stat is wrong, but I wonder how many first downs refs have given our opponents by tossing the yellow flag at us (just think ECU alone).

I'm not raving about some perceived conspiracy, but doesn't that seem almost impossible these days with all the rules favoring offenses and WRs?

We've also played with the lead for a good portion of the two games. That shouldn't matter, but in reality it probably does impact whether you are getting calls or not.

Where the hell has the generous calls been favoring JMU when they're down in a game? I must've missed those over the years haha.
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DDD you're really stretching to try and say who is or isn't a cupcake. Any JMU fan that doesn't read this message board, and even some that do, have no clue as to the difference between any fcs team outside of the caa. Socon, patriot, pioneer, even mvfc outside of ndsu. They aren't going to be any more or less likely to show up for any team.
Heck, the same can be said for all but maybe 5-10 high end G5 schools and then maybe app and odu. 95% of the G5 won't draw squat to BFS stadium any more either.
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(09-14-2017 01:01 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 11:47 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 08:16 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:27 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  One thing where JMU/Bourne screwed up with the schedule. You're weakest home opponent you should put as one of your 3 'draw' games where a weak opponent doesn't matter as much (opener, parents' weekend, or homecoming). Not a stand alone game between the home opener and parents' weekend. Dumb.

What else could they have done though? E. Tenn. St. College University of Memphis was the opener and I don't think you are suggesting just flipping them and NSU. I bet more students/alums know where NSU is located over ETSCUofM.

Is flipping the game weekends with a CAA opponent really possible? How much say does JMU have when scheduling CAA games? I guess ideally we have a weak game for parents weekend (when the crowd isn't as big of a factor) and then HC feature the toughest team we play that year at home. I don't want to play Nova/UR/UNH in week 2 or 3 though which means we are back in where we are now.

I'll say that the real solution isn't finding the perfect 'draw' games but instead scheduling the more perfect teams. There aren't many good reasons to schedule a top 15 team but there is NO reason to schedule two bottom 25 teams. I liked VMI in 06/07. I liked Lehigh. I think EKU or W. Carolina or Furman or Ivy (if possible) would be good opponents and draw more chatter than NSU or ETSCUofM

What does Univ of Memphis have to do with ETSU?

Where are you seeing ETSU as a bottom 25 team? They weren't last year after finishing 5-6/2-6 out of the So-Con, esp after knocking off playoff Samford. Sagarin has them 84th, and Massey has them 86th of 124. And they will rise from that. I'm willing to be they will be at least 6-5/4-4 this year. You mentioned Furman and WCU as good options- ETSU will probably beat them both this year, and they're a lot closer to book (only about 280 miles/4 hrs from JMU).

Now NSU is bottom 25 (Sagarin has them 106, Massey 105 of 124). I'm fine with scheduling a cupcake as long as its an in state cupcake (VMI, NSU, Hampton), but it should be a 1 and done, or at a minimum a 2 for 1, not the 1 for 1 that Bourne scheduled.

I agree most seasons one OOC should be a driveable So-Con, Patriot, EKU. YSU would be one to consider. Don't see an Ivy happening..

I was implying that we played a school named 'ETSCUofM' as E. Tenn. St. doesn't show up on radar for 99% of JMU alums/fans. Bottom 25 wasn't meant to be literal. We just beat them 52-10 without trying, they are a cupcake. I mentioned Furman and WCU as I think more fans will have heard of them than ETSU and as such, assume they are less of a cupcake. I don't think 98% of our fans looked up ETCUofM's Sargarin and Massey ranking prior to the game and most assume a school is better/worse based off the name recognition.

In addition to the scheduling the right teams, it is tough to draw well when you have 3 home games in a row regardless of the team/ranking.

ETSU probably shows up on the radar for most JMU fans as much as the other So-Con schools you mentioned JMU should play (WCU and Furman), which is very little for all of them.

If JMU beating someone 52-10 makes them a cupcake, then 80-90% of I-AA are cupcakes, including Furman (just lost to Elon) and WCU (a perennial bottom of the So-Con).

People on here have complained for years that JMU should schedule So-Con teams. Well, ETSU is a So-Con team, the closest to JMU (only about 25 miles across the VA state line, about 280 miles from JMU), and after this year Torbush will likely have them a perennially ranked So-Con playoff contender. And frankly, JMU has more in common with ETSU than the So-Con privates like Furman & Wofford.

Agreed on not scheduling 3 home games in a row, which is dumb.
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Since I found out that my Spartan Legion isn't able to come, I've decided to stay and do some OT. Hope the MRD come down next year so I can finally see the 2 best bands in the state in the same place. Do you all have a stream I can watch?

P.S. Put up 85 points so we can finally get a new coach.
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(09-15-2017 07:58 AM)booman Wrote:  Since I found out that my Spartan Legion isn't able to come, I've decided to stay and do some OT. Hope the MRD come down next year so I can finally see the 2 best bands in the state in the same place. Do you all have a stream I can watch?

P.S. Put up 85 points so we can finally get a new coach.

If you live in Virginia, our stream "Madizone" is blacked out because it is also airing on MASN2. You can find madizone by visiting jmusports.com. It is a free stream.
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(09-15-2017 08:01 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 07:58 AM)booman Wrote:  Since I found out that my Spartan Legion isn't able to come, I've decided to stay and do some OT. Hope the MRD come down next year so I can finally see the 2 best bands in the state in the same place. Do you all have a stream I can watch?

P.S. Put up 85 points so we can finally get a new coach.

If you live in Virginia, our stream "Madizone" is blacked out because it is also airing on MASN2. You can find madizone by visiting jmusports.com. It is a free stream.

Oh, that sucks. I was hoping to catch the 4th on my phone during my son's baseball game.
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(09-15-2017 11:04 AM)Dukie95 Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 08:01 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 07:58 AM)booman Wrote:  Since I found out that my Spartan Legion isn't able to come, I've decided to stay and do some OT. Hope the MRD come down next year so I can finally see the 2 best bands in the state in the same place. Do you all have a stream I can watch?

P.S. Put up 85 points so we can finally get a new coach.

If you live in Virginia, our stream "Madizone" is blacked out because it is also airing on MASN2. You can find madizone by visiting jmusports.com. It is a free stream.

Oh, that sucks. I was hoping to catch the 4th on my phone during my son's baseball game.

Are we certain about this? The game is still being listed on CAA.tv as though it will be aired in streaming format.

Last week, both CSN+ broadcast and the Madizone/CAA streaming options were available. Is the MASN2 contract different somehow?
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I just listened to the DNR podcast and Madia said they'll be playing two QBs. That's not a good sign for NSU. It means they don't have a QB.
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(09-15-2017 11:38 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  Are we certain about this? The game is still being listed on CAA.tv as though it will be aired in streaming format.

Last week, both CSN+ broadcast and the Madizone/CAA streaming options were available. Is the MASN2 contract different somehow?

Yes, it is different. They're listing it on madizone because it will be airing on madizone. A blackout just makes it unavailable for IP addresses coming from within the state of VA.

MASN apparently wanted a regional blackout. I'm personally okay with that if it gets on TV. We shouldn't be turning down options just due to blackouts.
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(09-15-2017 11:53 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 11:38 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  Are we certain about this? The game is still being listed on CAA.tv as though it will be aired in streaming format.

Last week, both CSN+ broadcast and the Madizone/CAA streaming options were available. Is the MASN2 contract different somehow?

Yes, it is different. They're listing it on madizone because it will be airing on madizone. A blackout just makes it unavailable for IP addresses coming from within the state of VA.

MASN apparently wanted a regional blackout. I'm personally okay with that if it gets on TV. We shouldn't be turning down options just due to blackouts.

IP geolocation is pretty easy to bypass with a VPN, but I'm sure the MASN broadcast will be a bit better anyhow if it's done by the same folks as last week.
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