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Neither are FBS starting quality QBs.

At this point, I don't think either will be successful in the next two games. CUSA play against the upper echelon will be interesting, if these are the best two options at QB.


Here is to hoping Williams is the messiah some are making him out to be, or next year's offense will be in a world of hurt

(09-09-2017 09:51 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  Neither are FBS starting quality QBs.

At this point, I don't think either will be successful in the next two games. CUSA play against the upper echelon will be interesting, if these are the best two options at QB.


Here is to hoping Williams is the messiah some are making him out to be, or next year's offense will be in a world of hurt

What happened to our three star dual threat Drayton Arnold?
He seemed to have all the tools.
Anyone have any insight?

I hope he doesn't turn out to be another Colin McElroy

MCElroy wasnt rated at all, was he?

Arnold was simply beat out

(09-09-2017 10:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  MCElroy wasnt rated at all, was he?

Arnold was simply beat out

No, not rated, but he came in with some fanfare and rode the bench for his entire tenure.
I had hoped DA would really make a move this year.

I hoped so too. I suspect a transfer is prolly best for him.

I like Larussa's story and he seems like a great guy. I believe Larussa will make a great backup that will play occasionally. Hoy simply makes our offense much more dangerous.

(09-10-2017 07:22 AM)odu83alumni Wrote:  I like Larussa's story and he seems like a great guy. I believe Larussa will make a great backup that will play occasionally. Hoy simply makes our offense much more dangerous.

In what respect?

(09-10-2017 07:38 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 07:22 AM)odu83alumni Wrote:  I like Larussa's story and he seems like a great guy. I believe Larussa will make a great backup that will play occasionally. Hoy simply makes our offense much more dangerous.

In what respect?

Energy, Speed, The potential to see downfield and hit some vertical pass plays that will help to have opposing defenses back off our offense some. The was a heck of a fast run for the TD in that game. I wont debate this with you. We will just watch and see what happens this season.

How do we say this when Hoy hasnt hit one pass downfield all year long?

Blake gives us the downfield passing threat. Hoy, at this point, is relagated to read option and one read passes. UMASS was on to It, but luckily they cant tackle and we were able to get running game going in second half (well, after that Jackson run).

Is Hoy going to be able to run around VT and UNC defenders in the next 2 weeks if they know what is coming?

The bottom line is neither QB is lighting it up. The offense has moved drastically better with Larussa, but maybe the playbook slowly expands as Hoy gets experience. Right now, we are very limited in what we do with Hoy under center. I do expect Hoy to get more and more time as he gets experience.

I haven't seen hoy throw it enough to know how good he is at it.

All I'll say is that yesterday the OL was letting guys go right after the QB, and there was no room for the RBs to run either. Add to that our WR were not getting any separation on their DBs yesterday. Add all that together and any QB is going to struggle.

(09-10-2017 08:52 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  How do we say this when Hoy hasnt hit one pass downfield all year long?

Blake gives us the downfield passing threat. Hoy, at this point, is relagated to read option and one read passes. UMASS was on to It, but luckily they cant tackle and we were able to get running game going in second half (well, after that Jackson run).

Is Hoy going to be able to run around VT and UNC defenders in the next 2 weeks if they know what is coming?

The bottom line is neither QB is lighting it up. The offense has moved drastically better with Larussa, but maybe the playbook slowly expands as Hoy gets experience. Right now, we are very limited in what we do with Hoy under center. I do expect Hoy to get more and more time as he gets experience.

I give credit to Hoy for finding a way into the end zone for sure, BUT, he came very close to having his knee touch on the one yard line which is why he had to dive into the end zone. UMass really should have stopped him. It doesn't matter now, but I bring it up because I wonder if Hoy hadn't been able to dive into the end zone would we be as high on him right now. I do like his mobility and speed, but I like LaRussa's passing and poise better.

I agree with Larussa being a better passer and being more poised, but I have to think Hoy's poise willcome in time. I was not at all impressed though with Larussa's passing yesterday. Over thrown, under thrown, you name it. Plus, it didn't help to have all the drops. Passing has got to improve. Instead of going deep, why not try more short and intermediate routes?

(09-09-2017 07:56 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote:  

(09-09-2017 07:52 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  Both QB's would do much better if the O-line was doing a much better job.

OD has been looking great.

Don't want to be (not) remembered like these guys:









Long story short...

Awesome D, but the O was tragic. So they didn't win as many games as they should have. Resulting in everybody forgetting about them.


If our D keeps this trend up, we gotta think of a name like the Purple People Eaters or the Steel Curtain. Something appropriate to the school.

The PROWLING PRIDE ! Yeah, I know it is not great but plays off the Monarch/Lion stuff. Of course we may want to wait on a name for them until we see how the next 2 weeks go.

Sack City!

(09-10-2017 10:22 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:52 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  How do we say this when Hoy hasnt hit one pass downfield all year long?

Blake gives us the downfield passing threat. Hoy, at this point, is relagated to read option and one read passes. UMASS was on to It, but luckily they cant tackle and we were able to get running game going in second half (well, after that Jackson run).

Is Hoy going to be able to run around VT and UNC defenders in the next 2 weeks if they know what is coming?

The bottom line is neither QB is lighting it up. The offense has moved drastically better with Larussa, but maybe the playbook slowly expands as Hoy gets experience. Right now, we are very limited in what we do with Hoy under center. I do expect Hoy to get more and more time as he gets experience.

I give credit to Hoy for finding a way into the end zone for sure, BUT, he came very close to having his knee touch on the one yard line which is why he had to dive into the end zone. UMass really should have stopped him. It doesn't matter now, but I bring it up because I wonder if Hoy hadn't been able to dive into the end zone would we be as high on him right now. I do like his mobility and speed, but I like LaRussa's passing and poise better.

Well now we know he is a better diver than Greg Louganis.

(09-10-2017 08:52 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  How do we say this when Hoy hasnt hit one pass downfield all year long?

Blake gives us the downfield passing threat. Hoy, at this point, is relagated to read option and one read passes. UMASS was on to It, but luckily they cant tackle and we were able to get running game going in second half (well, after that Jackson run).

Is Hoy going to be able to run around VT and UNC defenders in the next 2 weeks if they know what is coming?

The bottom line is neither QB is lighting it up. The offense has moved drastically better with Larussa, but maybe the playbook slowly expands as Hoy gets experience. Right now, we are very limited in what we do with Hoy under center. I do expect Hoy to get more and more time as he gets experience.

This is born out by the stats I posted above.
I believe that we (on this board) are placing too much responsibility on the QB.
However, neither QB is sucking 'hind you-know-what either. Both are moving the team, albeit slowly and both are protecting the ball.

Someone mentioned that he/she was reminded of the early SB era. While neither QB reminds me of Bentley, the result is similar other than both of these QBs can scramble. Otherwise we seem to be back to square one.
Our OL from last year would likely have been able to get enough push to get 3 or four yards against the stacked box of an Albany or UMass.

That didn't happen this year, and unless we are holding back on play calling it will certainly not happen going forward.. With only designed runs inside the tackles we won't go anywhere against real FBS defenses.

We have a fine stable of excellent RBs who will make plays on their own; witness Lawry's 41 yarder against Albany and a couple by Cox yesterday. Lawry otherwise went 4 caqrries for 5 yards vs Albany.

So, unless we start mixing it up, with an outside run game and crossing routes to keep the linebackers honest and out of the box, we aren't going anywhere offensively against better teams.

This is indeed SB all over again, and it certainly wasn't all his fault. Once again, it starts with Oline.
At least these QBs can move.

(09-10-2017 10:52 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:52 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  How do we say this when Hoy hasnt hit one pass downfield all year long?

Blake gives us the downfield passing threat. Hoy, at this point, is relagated to read option and one read passes. UMASS was on to It, but luckily they cant tackle and we were able to get running game going in second half (well, after that Jackson run).

Is Hoy going to be able to run around VT and UNC defenders in the next 2 weeks if they know what is coming?

The bottom line is neither QB is lighting it up. The offense has moved drastically better with Larussa, but maybe the playbook slowly expands as Hoy gets experience. Right now, we are very limited in what we do with Hoy under center. I do expect Hoy to get more and more time as he gets experience.

This is born out by the stats I posted above.
I believe that we (on this board) are placing too much responsibility on the QB.
However, neither QB is sucking 'hind you-know-what either. Both are moving the team, albeit slowly and both are protecting the ball.

Someone mentioned that he/she was reminded of the early SB era. While neither QB reminds me of Bentley, the result is similar other than both of these QBs can scramble. Otherwise we seem to be back to square one.
Our OL from last year would likely have been able to get enough push to get 3 or four yards against the stacked box of an Albany or UMass.

That didn't happen this year, and unless we are holding back on play calling it will certainly not happen going forward.. With only designed runs inside the tackles we won't go anywhere against real FBS defenses.

We have a fine stable of excellent RBs who will make plays on their own; witness Lawry's 41 yarder against Albany and a couple by Cox yesterday. Lawry otherwise went 4 caqrries for 5 yards vs Albany.

So, unless we start mixing it up, with an outside run game and crossing routes to keep the linebackers honest and out of the box, we aren't going anywhere offensively against better teams.

This is indeed SB all over again, and it certainly wasn't all his fault. Once again, it starts with Oline.
At least these QBs can move.

The new O line coach seemed to have solved this problem last year. I'm at a loss as to why this O line looks as bad as the SB line. Is it lack of experience or could losing Hanna explain it? why the poor snaps from otherwise dependable Clarke?
Do you see any likelihood of improvement as the year progresses or is what we see now what we are gonna get?

(09-10-2017 11:09 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 10:52 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:52 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  How do we say this when Hoy hasnt hit one pass downfield all year long?

Blake gives us the downfield passing threat. Hoy, at this point, is relagated to read option and one read passes. UMASS was on to It, but luckily they cant tackle and we were able to get running game going in second half (well, after that Jackson run).

Is Hoy going to be able to run around VT and UNC defenders in the next 2 weeks if they know what is coming?

The bottom line is neither QB is lighting it up. The offense has moved drastically better with Larussa, but maybe the playbook slowly expands as Hoy gets experience. Right now, we are very limited in what we do with Hoy under center. I do expect Hoy to get more and more time as he gets experience.

This is born out by the stats I posted above.
I believe that we (on this board) are placing too much responsibility on the QB.
However, neither QB is sucking 'hind you-know-what either. Both are moving the team, albeit slowly and both are protecting the ball.

Someone mentioned that he/she was reminded of the early SB era. While neither QB reminds me of Bentley, the result is similar other than both of these QBs can scramble. Otherwise we seem to be back to square one.
Our OL from last year would likely have been able to get enough push to get 3 or four yards against the stacked box of an Albany or UMass.

That didn't happen this year, and unless we are holding back on play calling it will certainly not happen going forward.. With only designed runs inside the tackles we won't go anywhere against real FBS defenses.

We have a fine stable of excellent RBs who will make plays on their own; witness Lawry's 41 yarder against Albany and a couple by Cox yesterday. Lawry otherwise went 4 caqrries for 5 yards vs Albany.

So, unless we start mixing it up, with an outside run game and crossing routes to keep the linebackers honest and out of the box, we aren't going anywhere offensively against better teams.

This is indeed SB all over again, and it certainly wasn't all his fault. Once again, it starts with Oline.
At least these QBs can move.

The new O line coach seemed to have solved this problem last year. I'm at a loss as to why this O line looks as bad as the SB line. Is it lack of experience or could losing Hanna explain it? why the poor snaps from otherwise dependable Clarke?
Do you see any likelihood of improvement as the year progresses or is what we see now what we are gonna get?

Yes they will improve at least some and hopefully more than that but if not our line coach will be - - - . This week will give us the full on assessment of where we truly are.

Would BL's numbers not be better if it weren't for some drops in the UMASS game? I haven't seen either game, but read through the game thread and sounded like the receivers let him down a few times yesterday. Just seems to me like if it weren't for a couple drops his numbers would be significantly better than Hoy's.

I cant remember a single drop. Maybe a couple really tough catches not hauled it.

No disrespect to either BL or Hoy, but if you are UNC, going from playing against Heisman winner Lamar Jackson to either of ODU's QB's, what a difference.