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RE: Liberty offered CUSA $24 Million to join & CUSA said Naaaaah...
This is an question that can never be answered one way or the other. Those who's god is science can never prove the origins of life. Those who's god is spiritual by the very nature of their beliefs can never prove anything. In the end both rely on nothing more than faith for their beliefs. Some of the beliefs of both sides may seem totally absurd to the other.

Many scientists believe in a 'creator'. One theory being tested at this moment is the 'Hologram theory'. This theory says we are living basically in a video game. Nothing is there until we observe it. They believe just as we create characters in a video game so are we created. Put on your virtual 3D glasses and as you turn your head the program creates what is not there. Interesting. They believe that the entirety of the universe could be created in a computer with enough computing power.

So you see, some of the most forward thinking scientists believe in a creator.
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(09-13-2017 09:57 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:55 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:44 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 08:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 08:32 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Evolution only as a means of how life became to be and changed over time is a theory. The premise that man evolved from apes is a theory (and one that I find preposterous personally speaking).

How is this premise more preposterous than any other human origin story?

You, unlike others in this thread, have shown you understand evolution is real and provable as opposed to Evolution(to borrow your upper/lowercase) which is a theory.

How is the theory of creationism somehow more believable based on anything observable in the natural world?

Because out of nothing can nothing else be made. The biggest problem with Evolution (big E) is that the origin is blank. If the Big Bang happened where did the gases, sub atomic particles, and elements come from? If you lean toward either it's most certainly too difficult to ever be proven by man and the complexity far beyond man's ability to comprehend. If we accept that then the debate becomes nothing more than people wanting to argue.

What? You seem confused. Are you talking about how life came to be on the planet or how matter came to be in the universe? Either way neither is evolution.

There are hundreds of thousands of people in the world (including scientists) who believe evolution is how life was created. Look at the Oxford definition above.

They're wrong. Abiogenesis would be a better term. And there's several theories concerning that topic. My favorite is ancient aliens jerking off into the primordial ooze. But where did they come from, right?
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My entire belief system is built on the fact that the Big Bang and creationism are moreorless equally insane ideas. If you choose to believe one or the other blindly, thats your prerogative, but trying to use one to disprove the other is foolishness.
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(09-13-2017 10:32 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  This is an question that can never be answered one way or the other. Those who's god is science can never prove the origins of life. Those who's god is spiritual by the very nature of their beliefs can never prove anything. In the end both rely on nothing more than faith for their beliefs. Some of the beliefs of both sides may seem totally absurd to the other.

Many scientists believe in a 'creator'. One theory being tested at this moment is the 'Hologram theory'. This theory says we are living basically in a video game. Nothing is there until we observe it. They believe just as we create characters in a video game so are we created. Put on your virtual 3D glasses and as you turn your head the program creates what is not there. Interesting. They believe that the entirety of the universe could be created in a computer with enough computing power.

So you see, some of the most forward thinking scientists believe in a creator.

Sure but the creator left strong evidence that we are descended from apes. Either he's ******* with us or that's actually the case.
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RE: Liberty offered CUSA $24 Million to join & CUSA said Naaaaah...
(09-13-2017 10:34 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:57 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:55 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:44 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 08:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  How is this premise more preposterous than any other human origin story?

You, unlike others in this thread, have shown you understand evolution is real and provable as opposed to Evolution(to borrow your upper/lowercase) which is a theory.

How is the theory of creationism somehow more believable based on anything observable in the natural world?

Because out of nothing can nothing else be made. The biggest problem with Evolution (big E) is that the origin is blank. If the Big Bang happened where did the gases, sub atomic particles, and elements come from? If you lean toward either it's most certainly too difficult to ever be proven by man and the complexity far beyond man's ability to comprehend. If we accept that then the debate becomes nothing more than people wanting to argue.

What? You seem confused. Are you talking about how life came to be on the planet or how matter came to be in the universe? Either way neither is evolution.

There are hundreds of thousands of people in the world (including scientists) who believe evolution is how life was created. Look at the Oxford definition above.

They're wrong. Abiogenesis would be a better term. And there's several theories concerning that topic. My favorite is ancient aliens jerking of into the primordial ooze. But where did they come from, right?

Which is ultimately the truly unanswerable, regardless of who or what you believe caused "the spark", who or what came before that?
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(09-13-2017 09:44 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 08:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 08:32 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Evolution only as a means of how life became to be and changed over time is a theory. The premise that man evolved from apes is a theory (and one that I find preposterous personally speaking).

How is this premise more preposterous than any other human origin story?

You, unlike others in this thread, have shown you understand evolution is real and provable as opposed to Evolution(to borrow your upper/lowercase) which is a theory.

How is the theory of creationism somehow more believable based on anything observable in the natural world?

Because out of nothing can nothing else be made. The biggest problem with Evolution (big E) is that the origin is blank. If the Big Bang happened where did the gases, sub atomic particles, and elements come from? If you lean toward either it's most certainly too difficult to ever be proven by man and the complexity far beyond man's ability to comprehend. If we accept that then the debate becomes nothing more than people wanting to argue.

Unraveling that question is no different regardless of your explanation.

Not knowing what came before the Big Bang troubles your mind, but the idea of a creator that exists beyond our comprehension of time doesn't?
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(09-13-2017 10:32 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  This is an question that can never be answered one way or the other. Those who's god is science can never prove the origins of life. Those who's god is spiritual by the very nature of their beliefs can never prove anything. In the end both rely on nothing more than faith for their beliefs. Some of the beliefs of both sides may seem totally absurd to the other.

Many scientists believe in a 'creator'. One theory being tested at this moment is the 'Hologram theory'. This theory says we are living basically in a video game. Nothing is there until we observe it. They believe just as we create characters in a video game so are we created. Put on your virtual 3D glasses and as you turn your head the program creates what is not there. Interesting. They believe that the entirety of the universe could be created in a computer with enough computing power.

So you see, some of the most forward thinking scientists believe in a creator.

To pull on this one a bit more, my favorite idea built out of this scenario is basically that "if it's possible for life to be a computer simulation, we're already living in it. If it's possible, the odds are far greater that it's already happened and we're living in it than not.

But if we're living in a computer simulation created by the original humans, or by aliens, who or what created them?
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This thread is a perfect microcosm of why Liberty cannot join this conference :-)
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(09-13-2017 11:35 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  This thread is a perfect microcosm of why Liberty cannot join this conference :-)

...... Or why they should.
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(09-08-2017 07:05 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  I see the danger in the vast majority of colleges and universities pushing liberalism upon the student population. Colleges are supposed to be about open debate, not about shutting down free speech just because it isn't from a liberal viewpoint.

Freedom of speech took another hit last night at UCSB. It took over $600,000 for security to keep violence from breaking out due to a conservative speaker being on campus. They had to threaten many of them with arrest if they didn't remove their masks. Why did they need to wear masks anyway? Were they there to rob or beat up someone? Anarchist outside were protesting against a conservative guy speaking there and against "white supremacy". The big irony is that he is a Jewish guy wearing a yamika, which makes him one of the main types of people that "white supremacist" would themselves be against. Another thing about that is Trump gave his daughter's hand in marriage to a Jewish guy, yet Trump has also been accused of being a "white supremacist". His daughter spent months studying the faith and the rules to be followed in order to convert to orthodox Judaism. It is laughable to label any of these people "white supremacist" or "Nazi sympathizers".

The campus has set up counseling today for any students that feel traumatized by his speech last night. Are they really that fragile and weak minded? We already know they are against the 1st Amendment.
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(09-13-2017 10:40 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:32 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  This is an question that can never be answered one way or the other. Those who's god is science can never prove the origins of life. Those who's god is spiritual by the very nature of their beliefs can never prove anything. In the end both rely on nothing more than faith for their beliefs. Some of the beliefs of both sides may seem totally absurd to the other.

Many scientists believe in a 'creator'. One theory being tested at this moment is the 'Hologram theory'. This theory says we are living basically in a video game. Nothing is there until we observe it. They believe just as we create characters in a video game so are we created. Put on your virtual 3D glasses and as you turn your head the program creates what is not there. Interesting. They believe that the entirety of the universe could be created in a computer with enough computing power.

So you see, some of the most forward thinking scientists believe in a creator.

Sure but the creator left strong evidence that we are descended from apes. Either he's ******* with us or that's actually the case.

Apes are five to eight times the strength of humans. Sounds like all animal to me. How come we evolved to be so much smarter but not stronger? I mean it disturbs me that today if I bench 250 my ape ancient cousin could still bench 2,000.
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(09-13-2017 11:35 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  This thread is a perfect microcosm of why Liberty cannot join this conference :-)

Or a Microcosm of how people like to take items of personal belief and make them a litmus test.

I can sit at a Liberty vs App ST game and enjoy it with anyone there regardless of belief. As a matter of fact, as a Christian I believe that I am to show the love of Christ to everyone. So, you and your school can be and believe whatever you want and the vast majority of Liberty folks will stand beside you and talk and cheer and all will be good. It all falls apart when a few select folks don't care to return the favor. They see people "like us" as stupid, or ignorant, or whatever and chose to taunt or marginalize base on who they think we are or what they think we believe.

It's sad to me that an athletics discussion has to turn in to this I'm right, no I'm right mess. I can accept that you are allowed to believe what you want, but it doesn't go the other way. Call it what you want, but this is why CUSA and SBC Presidents have excluded LU.

I get that we are talking about class content, but please remember that Liberty teaches both and let's the kids decide. Creation Studies is a religion class.

Anyway, I believe LU will be an FBS independant for years and years to come. Not only because of what I said above, but because I think it's to LUs best interest at this point.
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Liberty just lost back-to-back games against Jacksonville State and St. Francis.

Any more questions?
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(09-22-2017 11:57 AM)knucklehead Wrote:  Anyway, I believe LU will be losing for years and years to come. Not only because of what I said above, but because I think it's to LUs best interest at this point.

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