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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
Not a fit for what CUSA wants, for better or worse they've decided on a profile, and that's not even considering potentially controversial waters. Also, adding #15 would mean adding #16 sooner or later and that shiny check quickly fades with 2 more mouths to feed from the increasingly shrinking G5 pie.

That said, dude...

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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
(09-08-2017 07:27 AM)blazr Wrote:  Not a fit for what CUSA wants, for better or worse they've decided on a profile, and that's not even considering potentially controversial waters. Also, adding #15 would mean adding #16 sooner or later and that shiny check quickly fades with 2 more mouths to feed from the increasingly shrinking G5 pie.

That said, dude...

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I think they fit the profile pretty well.

Bad football? Check.
Bad basketball? Check.
Lotsa "Potential"? Check.

They're meeting all the requirements.
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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
(09-07-2017 10:51 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Losers can't be choosers.

Army
UMass
Liberty

Start a conference together why don't ya?

Army doesn't need a conference as they are in pretty high demand as an OOC opponent. They were previously courted by the AAC and declined. They have also been declared P5 for scheduling purposes by several of the P5 conferences with requirements to play at least one P5 school OOC.
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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
(09-07-2017 10:00 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 09:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 09:55 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 09:50 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 08:36 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  This is why I think the CUSA East splinter group will scoop them up at some point.

ODU and Charlotte are going to see the geography with Liberty and say its worth it.

That ship has already sailed. Liberty has far more potential than every CUSA school.

They never did anything in the Big South with that sorry group of schools. How are they going to do something against better schools?

$$$$$

They had that against the sorry ass poor Big South schools yet did nothing.

FBS boils down to three key factors.

1. Money
2. Schedules
3. Recruiting

Liberty is already out performing every G5 team on 1,2. And starting off your season taking down Baylor is going to be a good leg to build on for recruiting....I'm no FCS fan but I would be willing to wager Liberty is going to be a 10 win FCS team this year.
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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
(09-08-2017 07:59 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 07:27 AM)blazr Wrote:  Not a fit for what CUSA wants, for better or worse they've decided on a profile, and that's not even considering potentially controversial waters. Also, adding #15 would mean adding #16 sooner or later and that shiny check quickly fades with 2 more mouths to feed from the increasingly shrinking G5 pie.

That said, dude...

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I think they fit the profile pretty well.

Bad football? Check.
Bad basketball? Check.
Lotsa "Potential"? Check.

They're meeting all the requirements.

Everytime someone says not a fit.

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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
(09-07-2017 07:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think it was a huge mistake.

It's quite obvious it was out of fear of Liberty very quickly overshadowing them.

At the end of the day, they don't want to be associated with a school whose enrollment is 85% online. Same reason that Grand Canyon will struggle to find a real conference.

Liberty might end up overshadowing them in football, but this decision was not a football decision.
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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
(09-08-2017 09:25 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 10:00 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 09:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 09:55 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 09:50 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  That ship has already sailed. Liberty has far more potential than every CUSA school.

They never did anything in the Big South with that sorry group of schools. How are they going to do something against better schools?

$$$$$

They had that against the sorry ass poor Big South schools yet did nothing.

FBS boils down to three key factors.

1. Money
2. Recruiting
3. Schedules

Liberty is already out performing every G5 team on 1,2. And starting off your season taking down Baylor is going to be a good leg to build on for recruiting....I'm no FCS fan but I would be willing to wager Liberty is going to be a 10 win FCS team this year.

I think you're wrong on all accounts.
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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
(09-08-2017 07:27 AM)blazr Wrote:  Not a fit for what CUSA wants, for better or worse they've decided on a profile, and that's not even considering potentially controversial waters. Also, adding #15 would mean adding #16 sooner or later and that shiny check quickly fades with 2 more mouths to feed from the increasingly shrinking G5 pie.

That said, dude...

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Agree. That said, JMU wouldn't have made a bad #16. Those two would have been among the highest athletic budgets in CUSA. But splitting the meager CUSA earning two more ways couldn't have looked very attractive to CUSA presidents.
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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
(09-07-2017 09:50 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 08:36 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  This is why I think the CUSA East splinter group will scoop them up at some point.

ODU and Charlotte are going to see the geography with Liberty and say its worth it.

That ship has already sailed. Liberty has far more potential than every CUSA school.


ODU, Southern Mississippi, Marshall, Western Kentucky and Rice do have a shot to join the AAC down the road at some point.
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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
Presidents make this type of decisions which ultimately rest on the question of, would I like my university to be associated with Liberty University not just in athletics but academically? With the exception of Rice which is in another level as an institution, the rest of C-USA are public schools in mostly urban areas. Liberty does not fit the profile of a C-USA school regardless of how much money they're throwing at the conference. One thing is UTSA or Old Dominion starting football and looking for a FBS conference to take them and another thing is Liberty doing the same.
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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
(09-08-2017 09:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 09:25 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 10:00 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 09:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 09:55 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  They never did anything in the Big South with that sorry group of schools. How are they going to do something against better schools?

$$$$$

They had that against the sorry ass poor Big South schools yet did nothing.

FBS boils down to three key factors.

1. Money
2. Schedules
3. Recruiting

Liberty is already out performing every G5 team on 1,2. And starting off your season taking down Baylor is going to be a good leg to build on for recruiting....I'm no FCS fan but I would be willing to wager Liberty is going to be a 10 win FCS team this year.

I think you're wrong on all accounts.

You are free to your own opinion.

But like they say "Where da $$ at" I don't see ODU spending them like Liberty...

And looking at 2019 they have three P5 schools + BYU on their schedule. Pretty darn good in my book.
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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
(09-08-2017 09:25 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 10:00 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 09:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 09:55 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 09:50 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  That ship has already sailed. Liberty has far more potential than every CUSA school.

They never did anything in the Big South with that sorry group of schools. How are they going to do something against better schools?

$$$$$

They had that against the sorry ass poor Big South schools yet did nothing.

FBS boils down to three key factors.

1. Money
2. Recruiting
3. Schedules

Liberty is already out performing every G5 team on 1,2. And starting off your season taking down Baylor is going to be a good leg to build on for recruiting....I'm no FCS fan but I would be willing to wager Liberty is going to be a 10 win FCS team this year.

Ugh stop with the Liberty love fest. They are not the best recruiting G5, not even close. They have won one game, don't go sucking each others ***** just yet.
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(09-08-2017 11:49 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 09:25 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 10:00 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 09:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 09:55 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  They never did anything in the Big South with that sorry group of schools. How are they going to do something against better schools?

$$$$$

They had that against the sorry ass poor Big South schools yet did nothing.

FBS boils down to three key factors.

1. Money
2. Recruiting
3. Schedules

Liberty is already out performing every G5 team on 1,2. And starting off your season taking down Baylor is going to be a good leg to build on for recruiting....I'm no FCS fan but I would be willing to wager Liberty is going to be a 10 win FCS team this year.

Ugh stop with the Liberty love fest. They are not the best recruiting G5, not even close. They have won one game, don't go sucking each others ***** just yet.

That was actually a typo on my part. I mean scheduling and money. Not recruiting.
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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
Rice, S. Miss. and UAB except for UTEP are C-USA 1. ODU is spending money at the AAC levels. Southern Mississippi is the last of the schools that the former C-USA members would like to get. UAB and the issues of the Alabama board of regents would keep them out of expansion talks for some time now.
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(09-08-2017 11:29 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Presidents make this type of decisions which ultimately rest on the question of, would I like my university to be associated with Liberty University not just in athletics but academically? With the exception of Rice which is in another level as an institution, the rest of C-USA are public schools in mostly urban areas. Liberty does not fit the profile of a C-USA school regardless of how much money they're throwing at the conference. One thing is UTSA or Old Dominion starting football and looking for a FBS conference to take them and another thing is Liberty doing the same.

Yeah, this is what I meant by "profile." Good post.
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(09-08-2017 09:29 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 07:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think it was a huge mistake.

It's quite obvious it was out of fear of Liberty very quickly overshadowing them.

At the end of the day, they don't want to be associated with a school whose enrollment is 85% online. Same reason that Grand Canyon will struggle to find a real conference.

Liberty might end up overshadowing them in football, but this decision was not a football decision.

I've said the same thing about having concern over the online enrollment figures.

The only thing is that as a whole the institution is roughly on par with those in CUSA.
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(09-08-2017 12:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 09:29 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 07:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think it was a huge mistake.

It's quite obvious it was out of fear of Liberty very quickly overshadowing them.

At the end of the day, they don't want to be associated with a school whose enrollment is 85% online. Same reason that Grand Canyon will struggle to find a real conference.

Liberty might end up overshadowing them in football, but this decision was not a football decision.


I've said the same thing about having concern over the online enrollment figures.

The only thing is that as a whole the institution is roughly on par with those in CUSA.

How do you figure? It's a private, religious school and not located in or near a major metro hub. All but Rice are public universities and Marshall is the only school remote enough that it takes some effort to travel to (and Marshall has a built-in fan base so it balances that out). Every CUSA school has a vast majority of undergrads located on or near campus - the ones who were commuter schools have transitioned to more traditional demographics with active campuses. NOT THAT THEY WOULD JOIN NOW (don't want to derail the thread) but CUSA has passed on Troy, South Alabama, Ark St, Appy St, and Georgia Southern in past realignments for reasons other than sports.
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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
(09-08-2017 12:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 09:29 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 07:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think it was a huge mistake.

It's quite obvious it was out of fear of Liberty very quickly overshadowing them.

At the end of the day, they don't want to be associated with a school whose enrollment is 85% online. Same reason that Grand Canyon will struggle to find a real conference.

Liberty might end up overshadowing them in football, but this decision was not a football decision.

I've said the same thing about having concern over the online enrollment figures.

The only thing is that as a whole the institution is roughly on par with those in CUSA.

Academically??? I'm honestly insulted. It's a shiny diploma mill.
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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
(09-08-2017 12:51 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 12:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 09:29 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 07:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think it was a huge mistake.

It's quite obvious it was out of fear of Liberty very quickly overshadowing them.

At the end of the day, they don't want to be associated with a school whose enrollment is 85% online. Same reason that Grand Canyon will struggle to find a real conference.

Liberty might end up overshadowing them in football, but this decision was not a football decision.

I've said the same thing about having concern over the online enrollment figures.

The only thing is that as a whole the institution is roughly on par with those in CUSA.

Academically??? I'm honestly insulted. It's a shiny diploma mill.

That's an unfair characterization of Liberty.
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RE: ODU Beat Writer on CUSA Possible Regreats Regarding Liberty
(09-08-2017 12:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 12:51 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 12:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 09:29 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 07:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think it was a huge mistake.

It's quite obvious it was out of fear of Liberty very quickly overshadowing them.

At the end of the day, they don't want to be associated with a school whose enrollment is 85% online. Same reason that Grand Canyon will struggle to find a real conference.

Liberty might end up overshadowing them in football, but this decision was not a football decision.

I've said the same thing about having concern over the online enrollment figures.

The only thing is that as a whole the institution is roughly on par with those in CUSA.

Academically??? I'm honestly insulted. It's a shiny diploma mill.

That's an unfair characterization of Liberty.

It's closer than "roughly on par with C-USA schools".
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