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Funny that the cop who pulled the gun on Bennett didn't have his body camera on. He probably thought he could get away with anything without it.
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(09-07-2017 02:14 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Funny that the cop who pulled the gun on Bennett didn't have his body camera on. He probably thought he could get away with anything without it.

what gun? show us the gun pointed at his head.
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(09-07-2017 11:51 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 10:38 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  NAACP | Criminal Justice Fact Sheet
http://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/
African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites. ... 32% of the US population, they comprised 56% of all incarcerated people in 2015. ... Crime/drug arrest rates: African Americans represent 12% of monthly drug ...
Study: Black people more likely to be wrongfully convicted - CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/b...index.html
Mar 7, 2017 - Study: Black people more likely to be wrongfully convicted .... more likely to be arrested and convicted of such offenses than white people are, ...
Black People More Likely to Be Stopped by Cops, Study Finds - NBC ...
https://www.nbcnews.com/.../black-people...-finds-...
Jul 25, 2016 - Black people are more likely to be stopped by police but — once they ... “Blacks, Native Americans and Hispanics had higher stop/arrest rates ...
The War on Marijuana in Black and White | American Civil Liberties ...
https://www.aclu.org/issues/mass-incarce...nd-whit...
When people are arrested for possessing even tiny amounts of marijuana, it can ... Blacks are 3.73 times more likely than whites to be arrested for marijuana.
Blacks are more likely to be killed by police, but that's because they're ...
http://www.latimes.com/science/.../la-sc...story.html
Jul 25, 2016 - Blacks are more likely to be killed by police, but that's because ... But African Americans and Latinos — especially men — are far more likely ... who were stopped and questioned by police were arrested about 70% of the time.


Here is your homework. Get back to me in a couple of days when you are done educating yourself.

Two of your five links don't work either. A third, the CNN story has a misleading headline if you read the article. And, the LA Times article doesn't support your contention.

fitbud.. owned.
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(09-07-2017 02:33 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 11:51 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 10:38 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  NAACP | Criminal Justice Fact Sheet
http://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/
African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites. ... 32% of the US population, they comprised 56% of all incarcerated people in 2015. ... Crime/drug arrest rates: African Americans represent 12% of monthly drug ...
Study: Black people more likely to be wrongfully convicted - CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/b...index.html
Mar 7, 2017 - Study: Black people more likely to be wrongfully convicted .... more likely to be arrested and convicted of such offenses than white people are, ...
Black People More Likely to Be Stopped by Cops, Study Finds - NBC ...
https://www.nbcnews.com/.../black-people...-finds-...
Jul 25, 2016 - Black people are more likely to be stopped by police but — once they ... “Blacks, Native Americans and Hispanics had higher stop/arrest rates ...
The War on Marijuana in Black and White | American Civil Liberties ...
https://www.aclu.org/issues/mass-incarce...nd-whit...
When people are arrested for possessing even tiny amounts of marijuana, it can ... Blacks are 3.73 times more likely than whites to be arrested for marijuana.
Blacks are more likely to be killed by police, but that's because they're ...
http://www.latimes.com/science/.../la-sc...story.html
Jul 25, 2016 - Blacks are more likely to be killed by police, but that's because ... But African Americans and Latinos — especially men — are far more likely ... who were stopped and questioned by police were arrested about 70% of the time.


Here is your homework. Get back to me in a couple of days when you are done educating yourself.

Two of your five links don't work either. A third, the CNN story has a misleading headline if you read the article. And, the LA Times article doesn't support your contention.

fitbud.. owned.

Here are four more sites from the same google search.

Google is your friend.

Stanford: Study finds bias in police searches - The Mercury News
http://www.mercurynews.com/.../police-st...an-whit...
Jun 19, 2017 - “Not only did we find minorities are ticketed and arrested more often, we ... In San Mateo County, police pulled over 23 black drivers for every ...
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Traffic Stops
https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=702
The most common reason for contact with the police is being a driver in a traffic ... A higher percentage of black drivers (13%) than white (10%) and Hispanic ...
Why are black kids arrested more often than white kids?C-VILLE Weekly
http://www.c-ville.com/searching-solutio...hite-kids/
Jun 15, 2016 - In a quest to find answers, a city task force scrutinizes why police stop and arrest black kids more frequently than white kids.
Why Are So Many Black Americans Killed By Police? | FiveThirtyEight
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why...by-police/
Jul 21, 2016 - It found that police are no more likely to shoot a black suspect than a white ... with a high black population: Black people are stopped more often ...
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(09-07-2017 02:14 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Funny that the cop who pulled the gun on Bennett didn't have his body camera on. He probably thought he could get away with anything without it.

Do they all have body cameras? If so, what is the policy on when they are to be used?

Funny, huh?
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(09-07-2017 02:43 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 02:14 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Funny that the cop who pulled the gun on Bennett didn't have his body camera on. He probably thought he could get away with anything without it.

Do they all have body cameras? If so, what is the policy on when they are to be used?

Funny, huh?

My understanding is that they are supposed to turn them on any time they are going to make a stop or question a suspect.
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If true, wow...

Snippet of Letter from Las Vegas police to NFL (who chastised police).

Quote: “As our uniformed officers entered the casino, they observed Bennett hiding behind a slot machine. When officers turned toward Bennett, he bolted out of the casino, leaped over a four foot barrier wall, and hid from officers as he crouched close to the wall on the sidewalk.”

The letter continues, “I am sure that your attorney will tell you, our officers had reasonable suspicion, which is the constitutional standard, to detain Bennett until they could determine whether he was involved in the shooting. Our officers, who are both minorities, had the legal right and obligation, to detain Bennett based upon the nature of the call and Bennett’s unusual and suspicious actions. Our officers did not detain Bennett because he was “a black man in the wrong place at the wrong time.”

Michael Bennett’s claim that our officers are racist is false and offensive to the men and women of law enforcement. We hope you will take appropriate action against Michael Bennett.”

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(09-07-2017 11:49 AM)450bench Wrote:  From various news sites, including the NFL site...

Shots were fired in the casino somewhere, everyone started to get out and the police were called. Below is what transpired after that...


After clearing the casino, a team of officer's started heading toward Drai's nightclub, and while they were on the way there, they located Bennett.
"As they moved toward the nightclub, an individual later identified as Bennett was seen crouched down behind a gaming machine as the officers approached," McMahill sald. "Once Bennett was in the officer's view, he quickly ran out the south doors, jumped over a wall onto Flamingo Road East of Las Vegas Boulevard into traffic."
According to McMahill, the officers viewed Bennett's actions as suspicious, which is why he was handcuffed.
"Due to Bennett's actions, and the information the officer's had at the time, they believed that Bennett may have been involved in the shooting and they gave chase," McMahill said. "Bennett was placed in handcuffs and detained while officers determined whether or not he was involved in the incident."
In his statement, Bennett said his time in custody felt like an "eternity" due to the brutal way that the officers treated him.
McMahill said the Seahawks defensive end was in custody for 10 minutes.
"He was detained for approximately 10 minutes and released," McMahill said.
McMahill also added that Bennett told the officers that he "understood" why the situation happened after Vegas police explained it to him.
"Mr. Bennett, at the scene, had the incident explained to him by a supervisor and he said that he understood and that he had no problem with what the officers did," McMahill said.

News for everybody....I don't care if you are black, white, red, brown, yellow, or polka-dot and spots if law enforcement is investigating a shots fired call and you act in a suspicious manner like described above and they see you you are more likely than not going to be detained and probably it's going to be at gun point.
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(09-07-2017 02:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 11:49 AM)450bench Wrote:  From various news sites, including the NFL site...

Shots were fired in the casino somewhere, everyone started to get out and the police were called. Below is what transpired after that...


After clearing the casino, a team of officer's started heading toward Drai's nightclub, and while they were on the way there, they located Bennett.
"As they moved toward the nightclub, an individual later identified as Bennett was seen crouched down behind a gaming machine as the officers approached," McMahill sald. "Once Bennett was in the officer's view, he quickly ran out the south doors, jumped over a wall onto Flamingo Road East of Las Vegas Boulevard into traffic."
According to McMahill, the officers viewed Bennett's actions as suspicious, which is why he was handcuffed.
"Due to Bennett's actions, and the information the officer's had at the time, they believed that Bennett may have been involved in the shooting and they gave chase," McMahill said. "Bennett was placed in handcuffs and detained while officers determined whether or not he was involved in the incident."
In his statement, Bennett said his time in custody felt like an "eternity" due to the brutal way that the officers treated him.
McMahill said the Seahawks defensive end was in custody for 10 minutes.
"He was detained for approximately 10 minutes and released," McMahill said.
McMahill also added that Bennett told the officers that he "understood" why the situation happened after Vegas police explained it to him.
"Mr. Bennett, at the scene, had the incident explained to him by a supervisor and he said that he understood and that he had no problem with what the officers did," McMahill said.

News for everybody....I don't care if you are black, white, red, brown, yellow, or polka-dot and spots if law enforcement is investigating a shots fired call and you act in a suspicious manner like described above and they see you you are more likely than not going to be detained and probably it's going to be at gun point.

I don't disagree.
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(09-07-2017 02:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 02:43 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 02:14 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Funny that the cop who pulled the gun on Bennett didn't have his body camera on. He probably thought he could get away with anything without it.

Do they all have body cameras? If so, what is the policy on when they are to be used?

Funny, huh?

My understanding is that they are supposed to turn them on any time they are going to make a stop or question a suspect.

That is the specific policy of Vegas? Not your understanding, but their policy? I found a story that said not all Vegas police have body cams. Regardless, in this case, Bennett is starting to look pretty bad.
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(09-07-2017 02:32 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 02:14 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Funny that the cop who pulled the gun on Bennett didn't have his body camera on. He probably thought he could get away with anything without it.

what gun? show us the gun pointed at his head.

Cops probably destroyed the evidence. 05-stirthepot

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/201...rom=global

Now they are shooting cameramen.
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(09-07-2017 02:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here are four more sites from the same google search.

Google is your friend.

Stanford: Study finds bias in police searches - The Mercury News
http://www.mercurynews.com/.../police-st...an-whit...
Jun 19, 2017 - “Not only did we find minorities are ticketed and arrested more often, we ... In San Mateo County, police pulled over 23 black drivers for every ...
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Traffic Stops
https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=702
The most common reason for contact with the police is being a driver in a traffic ... A higher percentage of black drivers (13%) than white (10%) and Hispanic ...
Why are black kids arrested more often than white kids?C-VILLE Weekly
http://www.c-ville.com/searching-solutio...hite-kids/
Jun 15, 2016 - In a quest to find answers, a city task force scrutinizes why police stop and arrest black kids more frequently than white kids.
Why Are So Many Black Americans Killed By Police? | FiveThirtyEight
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why...by-police/
Jul 21, 2016 - It found that police are no more likely to shoot a black suspect than a white ... with a high black population: Black people are stopped more often ...

I don't think you read these.

I'm interested in the discussion. I'm not interested in a flip sentence or two and a list of Google hits as that isn't a serious discussion.
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(09-07-2017 03:29 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 02:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here are four more sites from the same google search.

Google is your friend.

Stanford: Study finds bias in police searches - The Mercury News
http://www.mercurynews.com/.../police-st...an-whit...
Jun 19, 2017 - “Not only did we find minorities are ticketed and arrested more often, we ... In San Mateo County, police pulled over 23 black drivers for every ...
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Traffic Stops
https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=702
The most common reason for contact with the police is being a driver in a traffic ... A higher percentage of black drivers (13%) than white (10%) and Hispanic ...
Why are black kids arrested more often than white kids?C-VILLE Weekly
http://www.c-ville.com/searching-solutio...hite-kids/
Jun 15, 2016 - In a quest to find answers, a city task force scrutinizes why police stop and arrest black kids more frequently than white kids.
Why Are So Many Black Americans Killed By Police? | FiveThirtyEight
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why...by-police/
Jul 21, 2016 - It found that police are no more likely to shoot a black suspect than a white ... with a high black population: Black people are stopped more often ...

I don't think you read these.

I'm interested in the discussion. I'm not interested in a flip sentence or two and a list of Google hits as that isn't a serious discussion.

I told you I was happy to have a discussion if you were at least willing to admit that there is a problem.

As you can see, I have already had this discussion with others.

I cannot have it however wit you until you admit the problem.

It's like being in AA.
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(09-07-2017 03:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I cannot have it however wit you until you admit the problem.

Come on now. Having a conversation doesn't get to start with one side saying "Shut up and accept my demand that there is a problem."
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(09-07-2017 03:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 03:29 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 02:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here are four more sites from the same google search.

Google is your friend.

Stanford: Study finds bias in police searches - The Mercury News
http://www.mercurynews.com/.../police-st...an-whit...
Jun 19, 2017 - “Not only did we find minorities are ticketed and arrested more often, we ... In San Mateo County, police pulled over 23 black drivers for every ...
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Traffic Stops
https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=702
The most common reason for contact with the police is being a driver in a traffic ... A higher percentage of black drivers (13%) than white (10%) and Hispanic ...
Why are black kids arrested more often than white kids?C-VILLE Weekly
http://www.c-ville.com/searching-solutio...hite-kids/
Jun 15, 2016 - In a quest to find answers, a city task force scrutinizes why police stop and arrest black kids more frequently than white kids.
Why Are So Many Black Americans Killed By Police? | FiveThirtyEight
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why...by-police/
Jul 21, 2016 - It found that police are no more likely to shoot a black suspect than a white ... with a high black population: Black people are stopped more often ...

I don't think you read these.

I'm interested in the discussion. I'm not interested in a flip sentence or two and a list of Google hits as that isn't a serious discussion.

I told you I was happy to have a discussion if you were at least willing to admit that there is a problem.

As you can see, I have already had this discussion with others.

I cannot have it however wit you until you admit the problem.

It's like being in AA.

You're all over the place on this. Read Bull's post. You said he's having a reasonable discussion while in reality, he didn't agree with you that there is a "problem."
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(09-07-2017 10:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 10:26 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 11:56 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 11:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Can we please stop pretending that this is not an issue we need to have a serious adult conversation about?

What should we re-hash?

On this forum at least we've never pretended this is not an issue and we have had many serious adult conversations about it.

I'm glad someone on the other side is at least admitting that this IS an issue.

What exactly is the issue HERE?

The issue is that black people are more likely to be stopped by police.

They are more likely to be arrested by police.

They are more likely to be found guilty.

They are more likely to be incarcerated.

Those are the facts. If you don't believe me, look it up. Countless studies have been made about this.

So if you aren't going to accept the facts then there is no need for a discussion.

However, if you want to discuss why then I'm all ears.
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(09-07-2017 02:47 PM)VA49er Wrote:  If true, wow...

Snippet of Letter from Las Vegas police to NFL (who chastised police).

Quote: “As our uniformed officers entered the casino, they observed Bennett hiding behind a slot machine. When officers turned toward Bennett, he bolted out of the casino, leaped over a four foot barrier wall, and hid from officers as he crouched close to the wall on the sidewalk.”

The letter continues, “I am sure that your attorney will tell you, our officers had reasonable suspicion, which is the constitutional standard, to detain Bennett until they could determine whether he was involved in the shooting. Our officers, who are both minorities, had the legal right and obligation, to detain Bennett based upon the nature of the call and Bennett’s unusual and suspicious actions. Our officers did not detain Bennett because he was “a black man in the wrong place at the wrong time.”

Michael Bennett’s claim that our officers are racist is false and offensive to the men and women of law enforcement. We hope you will take appropriate action against Michael Bennett.”

Letter

Looks like it's got all the makings of yet another hoax "hate crime".

OP is fake news.
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The cops were black... no gun was pulled. They spoke with him after he was briefly detained and he stated that he understood why he was detained.. Now 8 days later he pulls this shot. What a ***** Michael Bennett is....
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(09-07-2017 03:50 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 03:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I cannot have it however wit you until you admit the problem.

Come on now. Having a conversation doesn't get to start with one side saying "Shut up and accept my demand that there is a problem."

I didn't demand anything. I'm simply saying we cannot have a discussion if someone isn't going to accept the facts.

For example. We cannot have an honest discussion about the solar system if you don't even acknowledge that it exists.
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(09-07-2017 06:56 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-07-2017 02:47 PM)VA49er Wrote:  If true, wow...

Snippet of Letter from Las Vegas police to NFL (who chastised police).

Quote: “As our uniformed officers entered the casino, they observed Bennett hiding behind a slot machine. When officers turned toward Bennett, he bolted out of the casino, leaped over a four foot barrier wall, and hid from officers as he crouched close to the wall on the sidewalk.”

The letter continues, “I am sure that your attorney will tell you, our officers had reasonable suspicion, which is the constitutional standard, to detain Bennett until they could determine whether he was involved in the shooting. Our officers, who are both minorities, had the legal right and obligation, to detain Bennett based upon the nature of the call and Bennett’s unusual and suspicious actions. Our officers did not detain Bennett because he was “a black man in the wrong place at the wrong time.”

Michael Bennett’s claim that our officers are racist is false and offensive to the men and women of law enforcement. We hope you will take appropriate action against Michael Bennett.”

Letter

Looks like it's got all the makings of yet another hoax "hate crime".

OP is fake news.

If true,it just reaffirms my belief that some people just don't care about the actual facts and only look to further an agenda. That's a shame.
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