(09-05-2017 11:27 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:09 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:45 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Yes, it holds about 28K now. There were only about 700 NSU fans in attendance. You can see them on the bottom left corner of this attached pic. The NSU band in white. This pic shows the visitors/LA Tech students side:

As I thought from the sound, NSU had a very good crowdthere along with their band. Sometimes scheduling a local FCS is better than a FBS team. At least your fanbase knows them and the FCS school is no different than us FBS schools....

when we go to a P5 we bring a lot more fans than if we are playing say...Ball St. So to those NSU fans they are playing their "super bowl" just as the Tech fans would feel if Tech was playing LSU.

It makes a lot more sense playing a school a hour or so away than scheduling a FCS school 8 hours away.

Not really, I was told it was considerably less than last time in Ruston, max of a 1,000.

I just told ya'll that the NSU crowd was estimated to be approximately 700. That's not great considering NSU is only about 80 miles from Ruston. I think they (the NSU fans) were expecting a real beatdown this time so they stayed home.

That band is at the very least 300 strong and I assume the section next to the band belongs to them also. It is the visitor section and going by this picture (I assume late in the game) they had fans all through that side

I don't have a clue on their numbers but I do know every good play they made it sounded VERY loud...especially for only 700
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/v...590&w=1408

That's a very old photo, from the old WAC days about 10-15 yrs ago. I can tell because the WAC relegated its home teams to the far (typically the visitor) side. Why did you post that? Did I miss something?

(09-05-2017 11:27 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:09 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:45 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Yes, it holds about 28K now. There were only about 700 NSU fans in attendance. You can see them on the bottom left corner of this attached pic. The NSU band in white. This pic shows the visitors/LA Tech students side:

As I thought from the sound, NSU had a very good crowdthere along with their band. Sometimes scheduling a local FCS is better than a FBS team. At least your fanbase knows them and the FCS school is no different than us FBS schools....

when we go to a P5 we bring a lot more fans than if we are playing say...Ball St. So to those NSU fans they are playing their "super bowl" just as the Tech fans would feel if Tech was playing LSU.

It makes a lot more sense playing a school a hour or so away than scheduling a FCS school 8 hours away.

Not really, I was told it was considerably less than last time in Ruston, max of a 1,000.

I just told ya'll that the NSU crowd was estimated to be approximately 700. That's not great considering NSU is only about 80 miles from Ruston. I think they (the NSU fans) were expecting a real beatdown this time so they stayed home.

That band is at the very least 300 strong and I assume the section next to the band belongs to them also. It is the visitor section and going by this picture (I assume late in the game) they had fans all through that side

I don't have a clue on their numbers but I do know every good play they made it sounded VERY loud...especially for only 700
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/v...590&w=1408

Whats with the old photo?

(09-06-2017 12:01 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:27 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:09 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  As I thought from the sound, NSU had a very good crowdthere along with their band. Sometimes scheduling a local FCS is better than a FBS team. At least your fanbase knows them and the FCS school is no different than us FBS schools....

when we go to a P5 we bring a lot more fans than if we are playing say...Ball St. So to those NSU fans they are playing their "super bowl" just as the Tech fans would feel if Tech was playing LSU.

It makes a lot more sense playing a school a hour or so away than scheduling a FCS school 8 hours away.

Not really, I was told it was considerably less than last time in Ruston, max of a 1,000.

I just told ya'll that the NSU crowd was estimated to be approximately 700. That's not great considering NSU is only about 80 miles from Ruston. I think they (the NSU fans) were expecting a real beatdown this time so they stayed home.

That band is at the very least 300 strong and I assume the section next to the band belongs to them also. It is the visitor section and going by this picture (I assume late in the game) they had fans all through that side

I don't have a clue on their numbers but I do know every good play they made it sounded VERY loud...especially for only 700
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/v...590&w=1408

That's a very old photo, from the old WAC days about 10-15 yrs ago. I can tell because the WAC relegated its home teams to the far (typically the visitor) side. Why did you post that? Did I miss something?

That is the picture on espn with the box score to this game. So if its from your WAC days espn is mixed up. I figured it was a picture late in the game because it sure didn't match the true attendance. I was trying to figure out how many rows is in the band section. Three years ago I had season tickets to Tech (I buy 2 season tickets to one of the schools I will travel to that Western plays each year). I owned 2 and my seats were 17 and 18 and I believe there were 2 more seats in that lane. I thought there were 15 rows but wasn't for sure. So the picture I linked to (from this years box score) was large enough to count the rows.

So if each section held 300 and one was the band and one for visiting fans...600, plus the few sitting through out the stadium. Around 700 total as someone said. Which surprised me because listening to them it sounded like way more.

(09-05-2017 03:15 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  You probably won't see Marshall's attendance rise until it is more clear on what kind of season we're going to have. If we end up 3-1 OOC, you should see (just a guess) about 25-26K for the home conference opener.... 2-2 probably about the same as this week. 1-3..... 18k

Not to mention Harvey was in Huntington all day till right up to game time.

(09-05-2017 02:45 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 01:56 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  As much as i hate to even say this, I am surprised WKU did that well. Labor Day weekend and 10 inches of rain fell the day before and flooding in areas. WKU has extremely fickle casual fans

Very impressed with UAB, so happy that the city got behind you guys. FAU , I expect a massive drop the next home game

Maybe, but just need to find a way to a get shot in there you are at the height of your program and you played an FCS team and you has less than 20k.
We has 28k for the top service academy school and it shows the potential we have.

FIFY

(09-06-2017 07:01 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:45 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 01:56 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  As much as i hate to even say this, I am surprised WKU did that well. Labor Day weekend and 10 inches of rain fell the day before and flooding in areas. WKU has extremely fickle casual fans

Very impressed with UAB, so happy that the city got behind you guys. FAU , I expect a massive drop the next home game

Maybe, but just need to find a way to a get shot in there you are at the height of your program and you played an FCS team and you has less than 20k.
We has 28k for the top service academy school and it shows the potential we have.

FIFY

Navy had maybe 2-3k there.
We are 9-27 over the last three years, but again enjoy the peak of your program it will never get better than the last three years.

(09-06-2017 08:25 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 07:01 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:45 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 01:56 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  As much as i hate to even say this, I am surprised WKU did that well. Labor Day weekend and 10 inches of rain fell the day before and flooding in areas. WKU has extremely fickle casual fans

Very impressed with UAB, so happy that the city got behind you guys. FAU , I expect a massive drop the next home game

Maybe, but just need to find a way to a get shot in there you are at the height of your program and you played an FCS team and you has less than 20k.
We has 28k for the top service academy school and it shows the potential we have.

FIFY

Navy had maybe 2-3k there.
We are 9-27 over the last three years, but again enjoy the peak of your program it will never get better than the last three years.

Lol, Says the "We will beat Navy mark my words" guy.

BTW that's hard to believe, local veterans come out to support the service academies, they might not have a Navy gear on but came to support them.

La Tech fans never want to say "hey nice job. Its shows your fans are hungry and want to support" They have to take shots because in the end they know La Tech will just be the same old sh** southern school in some Podunk town forever, so they have to take the new guys down. Congrats it took 100 years of La Tech football to avg 22k a game.

To answer WKUYG:

1. Lets see every game is shown on TV...LOCALLY.
**UAB had its game broadcast on Stadium via Twitter & its website. Also broadcast locally on WABM-68. We'll have TV for every game this season.

2. No dollar or five dollar night.
**Same here.

3. Small population.
** Congrats, Bowling Green has Birmingham beat in the small population contest.

4. Poor state.
** Alabama. nuf said.

5. Two national championship and top all time programs (#1 & #6 ) with in 2.5 hours and both state schools.
**Bama. Auburn. Saban.

(09-06-2017 09:11 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  La Tech fans never want to say "hey nice job. Its shows your fans are hungry and want to support" They have to take shots because in the end they know La Tech will just be the same old sh** southern school in some Podunk town forever, so they have to take the new guys down. Congrats it took 100 years of La Tech football to avg 22k a game.

Lol, Why would I say something I don't believe is true? Do you like to be placated?

I think it was good scheduling by FAU AD to get Navy, especially first game of the year. I wish Tech could schedule Air Force, it would be a sell out.

It wouldn't be a reflection of Tech turning a corner though and definitely wouldn't get on here bragging about it.

(09-06-2017 09:11 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  La Tech fans never want to say "hey nice job. Its shows your fans are hungry and want to support" They have to take shots because in the end they know La Tech will just be the same old sh** southern school in some Podunk town forever, so they have to take the new guys down. Congrats it took 100 years of La Tech football to avg 22k a game.

Even if there were 10K people at the game to see Navy, FAU did what they were supposed to do (minus losing). They had a quality opponent at home that would result in a great crowd / game environment.

The rain killed our attendance. The last two seasons we have had more game days with rain than the last decade combined it seems. It cost is about 5K Saturday night.


Did WKU play at home and only had 18K. I assume they had rain as well. Sucks for attendance.

(09-06-2017 12:02 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 09:11 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  La Tech fans never want to say "hey nice job. Its shows your fans are hungry and want to support" They have to take shots because in the end they know La Tech will just be the same old sh** southern school in some Podunk town forever, so they have to take the new guys down. Congrats it took 100 years of La Tech football to avg 22k a game.

Even if there were 10K people at the game to see Navy, FAU did what they were supposed to do (minus losing). They had a quality opponent at home that would result in a great crowd / game environment.

No way there was 10k Navy fans, but ok man.

USM and La Tech never fail at being the old salty brother who is mad they couldn't move out with the rest of their buddies.

(09-06-2017 12:55 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  The rain killed our attendance. The last two seasons we have had more game days with rain than the last decade combined it seems. It cost is about 5K Saturday night.


Did WKU play at home and only had 18K. I assume they had rain as well. Sucks for attendance.

Yea. EKU only brought about 100 fans. Which is way under what anyone was predicting. That day was actually a really nice day. It had just rained 10 inches the day before. Lot of people decided not to come because of flooding in the area.

(09-05-2017 08:18 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 08:04 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  Are some of you guys just going to have to deal with low attendance? Like WKU? You guys have been doing very good but your attendance is a black eye. We need our top teams getting top attendance numbers.

Until WKU builds it fan base .... it is what it is. WKU found its winning ways so fast that it skipped the part of building a loyal fan base. We have our 10-13k that is loyal as hell, but the rest are fickle. Remember Bowling Green is one of the smalllest population areas in CUSA and the biggest majority are UK fans..... we are building, its just taking time

Gotcha. Ya it would be nice to see you guys have a lot more people at the games. It just looks weird with your record. Very good team but poor attendance

(09-06-2017 03:53 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 12:01 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:27 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:09 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Not really, I was told it was considerably less than last time in Ruston, max of a 1,000.

I just told ya'll that the NSU crowd was estimated to be approximately 700. That's not great considering NSU is only about 80 miles from Ruston. I think they (the NSU fans) were expecting a real beatdown this time so they stayed home.

That band is at the very least 300 strong and I assume the section next to the band belongs to them also. It is the visitor section and going by this picture (I assume late in the game) they had fans all through that side

I don't have a clue on their numbers but I do know every good play they made it sounded VERY loud...especially for only 700
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/v...590&w=1408

That's a very old photo, from the old WAC days about 10-15 yrs ago. I can tell because the WAC relegated its home teams to the far (typically the visitor) side. Why did you post that? Did I miss something?

That is the picture on espn with the box score to this game. So if its from your WAC days espn is mixed up. I figured it was a picture late in the game because it sure didn't match the true attendance. I was trying to figure out how many rows is in the band section. Three years ago I had season tickets to Tech (I buy 2 season tickets to one of the schools I will travel to that Western plays each year). I owned 2 and my seats were 17 and 18 and I believe there were 2 more seats in that lane. I thought there were 15 rows but wasn't for sure. So the picture I linked to (from this years box score) was large enough to count the rows.

So if each section held 300 and one was the band and one for visiting fans...600, plus the few sitting through out the stadium. Around 700 total as someone said. Which surprised me because listening to them it sounded like way more.

That picture is from the 2013 Southern Miss game. It says CUSA on the field. We were 3-5.

(09-05-2017 08:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 08:04 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  Are some of you guys just going to have to deal with low attendance? Like WKU? You guys have been doing very good but your attendance is a black eye. We need our top teams getting top attendance numbers.

Lets see every game is shown on TV...LOCALLY. No dollar or five dollar night. Small population. Poor state. Two national championship and top all time programs (#1 & #6 ) with in 2.5 hours and both state schools.

The only one fighting that last part is UNCC and UAB. neither are figing the other problems of Small population base or every game being shown on live TV

So with that Western is sitting at 83% of butts in seats...17% of a full stadium. Would it look better and be better to fill those other 3900 seats? Sure it would.

But lets see which is more valuable to the conference....

17% of your seats sitting empty and winning 23 games over the last 2 seasons

Or having 4 to 5,000 more fans in the stands in a stadium that is half full and winning 7 or below games each of the last 2 years?

Seats sitting unused mostly only hurt that team. A team losing affects us all...

now out of these two has the larger negative affect on a conference...

1. 17% of your seats going unused and winning

2. 50% of your seats sitting empty even you are averaging 24k in attendance and losing

Lets be honest which do you think the average fan sitting at home watching a game is going to notice as a negative.....

only 18,600 fans in a 22k seat stadium winning
24,000 fans sitting in a half empty stadium losing

Lets just drop the winning or losing .....the average fan does not know or care the total number of butts sitting in those seats. The average fan will see a mostly full to a mostly empty stadium and take notice.

You're going to have bad years too. Like 2009-2011 when you went 2-22. It just looks weird. Seeing that you've had two very good years, 23-5 the last 2 & are only able to get 16-18k at a game. Some of the pictures I've seen look a lot worse for some reason. Regardless the goal is to win & you're doing that. I didn't mean to pick you guys out, I just noticed that your attendance hasn't moved much due to the very good seasons. Can't complain about winning games that's for sure.

(09-06-2017 01:39 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 08:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 08:04 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  Are some of you guys just going to have to deal with low attendance? Like WKU? You guys have been doing very good but your attendance is a black eye. We need our top teams getting top attendance numbers.

Lets see every game is shown on TV...LOCALLY. No dollar or five dollar night. Small population. Poor state. Two national championship and top all time programs (#1 & #6 ) with in 2.5 hours and both state schools.

The only one fighting that last part is UNCC and UAB. neither are figing the other problems of Small population base or every game being shown on live TV

So with that Western is sitting at 83% of butts in seats...17% of a full stadium. Would it look better and be better to fill those other 3900 seats? Sure it would.

But lets see which is more valuable to the conference....

17% of your seats sitting empty and winning 23 games over the last 2 seasons

Or having 4 to 5,000 more fans in the stands in a stadium that is half full and winning 7 or below games each of the last 2 years?

Seats sitting unused mostly only hurt that team. A team losing affects us all...

now out of these two has the larger negative affect on a conference...

1. 17% of your seats going unused and winning

2. 50% of your seats sitting empty even you are averaging 24k in attendance and losing

Lets be honest which do you think the average fan sitting at home watching a game is going to notice as a negative.....

only 18,600 fans in a 22k seat stadium winning
24,000 fans sitting in a half empty stadium losing

Lets just drop the winning or losing .....the average fan does not know or care the total number of butts sitting in those seats. The average fan will see a mostly full to a mostly empty stadium and take notice.

You're going to have bad years too. Like 2009-2011 when you went 2-22. It just looks weird. Seeing that you've had two very good years, 23-5 the last 2 & are only able to get 16-18k at a game. Some of the pictures I've seen look a lot worse for some reason. Regardless the goal is to win & you're doing that. I didn't mean to pick you guys out, I just noticed that your attendance hasn't moved much due to the very good seasons. Can't complain about winning games that's for sure.

I understand what you are saying. I don't even disagree with you, there should be a few thousand more sitting in the stands.

But fans in football states do not understand a basketball state and a poor one at that. Unless you live here you really don't get that uk not being good in fb has no bearing on Western winning over those fans. A lot of people get some kind of selfworth from saying they are a uk fan and they live and die with that. Western doesn't have 300,000 k or 1,000,000 or 2.4 million or any of those large numbers to draw from.

Bowling Green has grown in the last 10 years but it's outside growth and those fans have no connection to the school or team. I would guess 1/4 of the growth over those years were people from other countries.

In Texas if a local team won back to back state championships without losing over those 2 years. The whole city and county gets behind them. BGHS did just that and where at the top (5) of the state polls for most of the last 7 or so years. The stands are not even close to being full.

There are a lot of limitations in a non football state. Especially a poor state with the SEC, Big 10 and ACC (about 7 different teams) with in a few hours drive. Add to that a lower population to draw from. Today I honestly don't know the total of people living with in 30 miles of BG. But I would think 18,600 would be 15% or so. Which is probably a larger % than those who have 100s of thousands or millions to draw from.

We all seem to have problems filling our stadiums. While 24 or 28k is a lot better than 18k....

it's not really if you have 4x the amount to draw from and still a half empty stadium. Yes I would love for Western to get 24k a game (stadium holds 23, 000 or so but will fit 24k. But in the end that is still peanuts to what those schools should be drawing.

Here's a photo from Saturday:

  IMG_0412.JPG (Size: 136.76 KB / Downloads: 24)
Far right is the visitors' section.

Here's a photo of the berm that it wouldn't let me attach:
https://twitter.com/bradbgdn/status/904134597163851776

Draw whatever conclusions you wish.

(09-06-2017 01:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 01:39 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 08:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 08:04 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  Are some of you guys just going to have to deal with low attendance? Like WKU? You guys have been doing very good but your attendance is a black eye. We need our top teams getting top attendance numbers.

Lets see every game is shown on TV...LOCALLY. No dollar or five dollar night. Small population. Poor state. Two national championship and top all time programs (#1 & #6 ) with in 2.5 hours and both state schools.

The only one fighting that last part is UNCC and UAB. neither are figing the other problems of Small population base or every game being shown on live TV

So with that Western is sitting at 83% of butts in seats...17% of a full stadium. Would it look better and be better to fill those other 3900 seats? Sure it would.

But lets see which is more valuable to the conference....

17% of your seats sitting empty and winning 23 games over the last 2 seasons

Or having 4 to 5,000 more fans in the stands in a stadium that is half full and winning 7 or below games each of the last 2 years?

Seats sitting unused mostly only hurt that team. A team losing affects us all...

now out of these two has the larger negative affect on a conference...

1. 17% of your seats going unused and winning

2. 50% of your seats sitting empty even you are averaging 24k in attendance and losing

Lets be honest which do you think the average fan sitting at home watching a game is going to notice as a negative.....

only 18,600 fans in a 22k seat stadium winning
24,000 fans sitting in a half empty stadium losing

Lets just drop the winning or losing .....the average fan does not know or care the total number of butts sitting in those seats. The average fan will see a mostly full to a mostly empty stadium and take notice.

You're going to have bad years too. Like 2009-2011 when you went 2-22. It just looks weird. Seeing that you've had two very good years, 23-5 the last 2 & are only able to get 16-18k at a game. Some of the pictures I've seen look a lot worse for some reason. Regardless the goal is to win & you're doing that. I didn't mean to pick you guys out, I just noticed that your attendance hasn't moved much due to the very good seasons. Can't complain about winning games that's for sure.

I understand what you are saying. I don't even disagree with you, there should be a few thousand more sitting in the stands.

But fans in football states do not understand a basketball state and a poor one at that. Unless you live here you really don't get that uk not being good in fb has no bearing on Western winning over those fans. A lot of people get some kind of selfworth from saying they are a uk fan and they live and die with that. Western doesn't have 300,000 k or 1,000,000 or 2.4 million or any of those large numbers to draw from.

Bowling Green has grown in the last 10 years but it's outside growth and those fans have no connection to the school or team. I would guess 1/4 of the growth over those years were people from other countries.

In Texas if a local team won back to back state championships without losing over those 2 years. The whole city and county gets behind them. BGHS did just that and where at the top (5) of the state polls for most of the last 7 or so years. The stands are not even close to being full.

There are a lot of limitations in a non football state. Especially a poor state with the SEC, Big 10 and ACC (about 7 different teams) with in a few hours drive. Add to that a lower population to draw from. Today I honestly don't know the total of people living with in 30 miles of BG. But I would think 18,600 would be 15% or so. Which is probably a larger % than those who have 100s of thousands or millions to draw from.

We all seem to have problems filling our stadiums. While 24 or 28k is a lot better than 18k....

it's not really if you have 4x the amount to draw from and still a half empty stadium. Yes I would love for Western to get 24k a game (stadium holds 23, 000 or so but will fit 24k. But in the end that is still peanuts to what those schools should be drawing.

Yep good points.