(09-04-2017 09:18 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 07:37 PM)CCUstudent Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 12:28 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 10:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 10:35 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Let's see how good Baylor actually is before anyone annoints Liberty....

Credit to them when it's due.... They beat a P5 team, and that's impressive, particularly since (I THINK) they are FCS.

I still don't think it was a mistake not to invite them, but they won and deserve credit for that.

Agreed, but I'm still glad they're NOT in The Belt . . .

Considering the reason(s) for Baylor's recent fall from grace, I wouldn't mind if they went 0 fer . . I know that it would suck for the kids that had nothing to do with that scandal, but that program deserves whatever suckage befalls it . . . .

And let's not forget... Liberty hired the very athletic director that oversaw all that BS at Baylor, too. I didn't read the whole thread because it had too many responses by the time I came across it, so this may have already been pointed out. But if I were another SBC school, I'd be much happier with the addition of Coastal given the personnel we invest in. And that's not being a homer. Our president is as good as they get. Our AD Hogue is just as good. Moglia oversees athletic budgetary spending with his decades of Wall St experience. We plan meticulously and get things done the right way, not the easiest way. And our region is still one of the top three growing regions in the country. Our athletic growth may not happen overnight the way Liberty can throw billions of dollars at a project (with no government oversight) but it's still incredibly fast. So while this Baylor win is impressive--I won't deny that-- it doesn't change the fact that you have a stable, growing program in CCU with competent leadership, while Jerry Jr runs a monarchy and has a history of questionable decision making at best.

I know the overall opinion on here is that you all are content with the CCU invitation, but I just wanted to put that out there.

This is a nice, feel good, self appreciating post. All is missing is the cheerleading uniform. CCU is a better fit for the SBC. CCU is a comfortable, non threatening fit for the SBC. LU is not that for the SBC and will succeed to higher ranks as an indy.

Given Liberty's inability to field better programs than Coastal in virtually all sports I'm sure Liberty will be just fine.

I think things have worked out well for all parties.

Coastal was a better fit for the SBC despite our deficiencies.

Coastal needed to find a new conference and the Sun Belt offered a great opportunity even knowing we had a lot of work to do (and still do) to be a competitive all-sports member.

Liberty is in a great situation. They can stay Big South in all other sports and likey dominate that league since no one else has the money / desire the Flames do. In football they are unencumbered by conference schedule and regulations and free to spend their war chest getting home games against P5 schools their fans will be very excited to attend.

(09-05-2017 05:42 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  I think things have worked out well for all parties.

Coastal was a better fit for the SBC despite our deficiencies.

Coastal needed to find a new conference and the Sun Belt offered a great opportunity even knowing we had a lot of work to do (and still do) to be a competitive all-sports member.

Liberty is in a great situation. They can stay Big South in all other sports and likey dominate that league since no one else has the money / desire the Flames do. In football they are unencumbered by conference schedule and regulations and free to spend their war chest getting home games against P5 schools their fans will be very excited to attend.

All true and valid points.

Just a clarification. We paid ODU 1.3 million for a hone game, but it wasn't just for that game. By paying ODU that crazy amount we were able to get several other FBS games. OD U worked with Liberty by moving several of their games. If I remember correctly we got 5-6 games scheduled. Plus that money is just being rolled over from the 1.2 million we're getting by playing Auburn next year. The only other large sum we've agreed to pay is to Marshall, $500,000.

Liberty is a whole different animal. No point in even comparing.

They will do fine as a wealthy private religious independent....and it is no skin off my nose when they do. I wish them luck.

The SBC is a fun league because of our similarities as institutions. We don't need Liberty at that party.

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(09-05-2017 02:54 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Liberty is a whole different animal. No point in even comparing.

They will do fine as a wealthy private religious independent....and it is no skin off my nose when they do. I wish them luck.

The SBC is a fun league because of our similarities as institutions. We don't need Liberty at that party.

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I agree!

I think it's really funny how a lot of folks on here are trying hard to make it clear that the SBC is better off without Liberty and vice versa.

The factor the matter is, the Liberty athletic department would prefer to be in a conference which offers more financial stability, a TV package, offers conference championships, and offers bowl bids and NCAA Tournament bids. They don't get those benefits being independent.

On the flip side, this notion that Liberty is culturally at odds with basically every FBS conferences is a worn out record. Liberty's "culture" isn't all that uncommon.

The MWC would fall over itself to have the largest religious university in the country, BYU, back in it's conference. BYU is even considered a Big XII expansion candidate. And that's a school that requires it's attendees to follow an honor code by the Latter Day Saints Church, including not drinking alcohol or having sex.

Pretty sure the MVC had no issues inviting Valpo, which is ran by the Lutheran Church.

How about TCU or Notre Dame? TCU is affiliated with the Disciples of Christ and even has a divinity school on its campus. And don't kid yourself by thinking that Liberty is so much different from all of those aforementioned schools.

If Liberty was the second-coming of Boise State, most of you would be hoping the SBC could snag them. Likewise, Liberty is always going to try and seek out a conference home for it's athletics, despite what any LU fans say about the supposed advantages of being Indy rather than being in the SBC.

(09-05-2017 10:11 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I think it's really funny how a lot of folks on here are trying hard to make it clear that the SBC is better off without Liberty and vice versa.

The factor the matter is, the Liberty athletic department would prefer to be in a conference which offers more financial stability, a TV package, offers conference championships, and offers bowl bids and NCAA Tournament bids. They don't get those benefits being independent.

On the flip side, this notion that Liberty is culturally at odds with basically every FBS conferences is a worn out record. Liberty's "culture" isn't all that uncommon.

The MWC would fall over itself to have the largest religious university in the country, BYU, back in it's conference. BYU is even considered a Big XII expansion candidate. And that's a school that requires it's attendees to follow an honor code by the Latter Day Saints Church, including not drinking alcohol or having sex.

Pretty sure the MVC had no issues inviting Valpo, which is ran by the Lutheran Church.

How about TCU or Notre Dame? TCU is affiliated with the Disciples of Christ and even has a divinity school on its campus. And don't kid yourself by thinking that Liberty is so much different from all of those aforementioned schools.

If Liberty was the second-coming of Boise State, most of you would be hoping the SBC could snag them. Likewise, Liberty is always going to try and seek out a conference home for it's athletics, despite what any LU fans say about the supposed advantages of being Indy rather than being in the SBC.

Meanwhile, Utah with a smaller local fan base and a much smaller national following was invited to the Pac-12 and BYU wasn't.

Baylor was NOT who the Big 8 wanted for their 12th member but local politics made Baylor their 12th member because without Baylor the politics involved would have blocked UT and TAMU going.

The Sun Belt had applicants pending, considered them and instead took the initiative to approach Coastal who had a superior resume.

The SBC isn't a good fit for LU. While I'd like the other programs to increase in competition the football schedule is good for us. The SBC has likeminded schools that don't fit LU. It worked out for both sides. Y'all get more money because less mouths to feed and LU gets flexibility.

(09-05-2017 11:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Meanwhile, Utah with a smaller local fan base and a much smaller national following was invited to the Pac-12 and BYU wasn't.

Utah is located in the largest city in the state and is the flagship university.

In the 8 years leading up to the Pac-12 expansion, Utah had an 80-22 record, a Sugar Bowl and a Fiesta Bowl win, five Top 25 finishes, and twice finished ranked in the Top 5.

BYU is in the third-largest city in Utah. Not a flagship school.

BYU went 65-36 in that same span, had zero major bowl appearances, had four Top 25 rankings, and never finished ranked in the Top 10.

Politics and religious affiliations aside, who would you have picked if you were the Pac-12? The answer is obvious.

I get that Coastal is a good fit for the SBC. A better fit than LU for reasons that have been discussed on hundreds of times in threads and post. It's so ironic that some Coastal fans are so apoplectic when any Liberty posts is made. LU's trajectory as an indy is greater than if LU had been a SBC member. Literally ALL LU fans realize the Benson LU SBC desire was a bad choice. LU fans have moved on. But some Coastal fans see to want to continue to stir the pot to attempt to rekindle some bashing about LU. Unlike Coastal and the looming So Carolina presence, LU is carving out an identify with UVA being 65 miles away and VT about 20 miles more.

How's Coastal doing with it's FBS success, http://www.goccusports.com/sports/m-foot...17aaa.html

"The game Saturday evening was played before a CCU-record 13,274. The win was also CCU's first over an FBS program, going 0-7 in such games in this the 15th year of Chanticleer football."

13,274. Hmmmm. Bash LU all you want Chants fans. Your energy would be better spent building a fan base and attempting to carve out an identity from underneath your looming big brother university.

(09-05-2017 11:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:11 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I think it's really funny how a lot of folks on here are trying hard to make it clear that the SBC is better off without Liberty and vice versa.

The factor the matter is, the Liberty athletic department would prefer to be in a conference which offers more financial stability, a TV package, offers conference championships, and offers bowl bids and NCAA Tournament bids. They don't get those benefits being independent.

On the flip side, this notion that Liberty is culturally at odds with basically every FBS conferences is a worn out record. Liberty's "culture" isn't all that uncommon.

The MWC would fall over itself to have the largest religious university in the country, BYU, back in it's conference. BYU is even considered a Big XII expansion candidate. And that's a school that requires it's attendees to follow an honor code by the Latter Day Saints Church, including not drinking alcohol or having sex.

Pretty sure the MVC had no issues inviting Valpo, which is ran by the Lutheran Church.

How about TCU or Notre Dame? TCU is affiliated with the Disciples of Christ and even has a divinity school on its campus. And don't kid yourself by thinking that Liberty is so much different from all of those aforementioned schools.

If Liberty was the second-coming of Boise State, most of you would be hoping the SBC could snag them. Likewise, Liberty is always going to try and seek out a conference home for it's athletics, despite what any LU fans say about the supposed advantages of being Indy rather than being in the SBC.

Meanwhile, Utah with a smaller local fan base and a much smaller national following was invited to the Pac-12 and BYU wasn't.

Baylor was NOT who the Big 8 wanted for their 12th member but local politics made Baylor their 12th member because without Baylor the politics involved would have blocked UT and TAMU going.

The Sun Belt had applicants pending, considered them and instead took the initiative to approach Coastal who had a superior resume.

the pac12 was wanting only aau schools and you're right, baylor and tech were forced on the big8. I'm not bashing coastal but am curious what was so attractive to the conference boss about a small school with little academic standing and small fan base other than maybe location.

(09-06-2017 05:49 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  I get that Coastal is a good fit for the SBC. A better fit than LU for reasons that have been discussed on hundreds of times in threads and post. It's so ironic that some Coastal fans are so apoplectic when any Liberty posts is made. LU's trajectory as an indy is greater than if LU had been a SBC member. Literally ALL LU fans realize the Benson LU SBC desire was a bad choice. LU fans have moved on. But some Coastal fans see to want to continue to stir the pot to attempt to rekindle some bashing about LU. Unlike Coastal and the looming So Carolina presence, LU is carving out an identify with UVA being 65 miles away and VT about 20 miles more.

How's Coastal doing with it's FBS success, http://www.goccusports.com/sports/m-foot...17aaa.html

"The game Saturday evening was played before a CCU-record 13,274. The win was also CCU's first over an FBS program, going 0-7 in such games in this the 15th year of Chanticleer football."

13,274. Hmmmm. Bash LU all you want Chants fans. Your energy would be better spent building a fan base and attempting to carve out an identity from underneath your looming big brother university.

Let me give the cliff notes version of this post:

1. "Coastal fans are obsessed with Liberty and Liberty fans have moved on. We are better than the sun belt."

2. "Let me give a bunch of reasons why I think Coastal sucks compared to Liberty....balls blah blah blah blah...."

3. "But for real....Liberty fans have moved on. Why are Coastal fans so obsessed with Liberty?"

(09-04-2017 11:58 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 01:03 PM)Golota Wrote:  I like Coastal in conference better than Liberty. They're not going to revisit Idaho back in SBC.

Coastal is a public of similar size and mission.
Most FCS playoff appearances? Coastal by a wide margin
Most NCAA tournament appearances? Coastal
Most NCAA baseball appearances? Coastal by a wide margin
Most NCAA men's soccer appearances? Coastal by a wide margin

But hey Liberty beat Baylor.

Those damn pesky facts. But hey....Liberty was rejected by every FBS conference because of religion. How do we know this? Because they say so. Facts regarding actual athletic success on the field are irrelevant.

(09-06-2017 08:26 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 05:49 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  I get that Coastal is a good fit for the SBC. A better fit than LU for reasons that have been discussed on hundreds of times in threads and post. It's so ironic that some Coastal fans are so apoplectic when any Liberty posts is made. LU's trajectory as an indy is greater than if LU had been a SBC member. Literally ALL LU fans realize the Benson LU SBC desire was a bad choice. LU fans have moved on. But some Coastal fans see to want to continue to stir the pot to attempt to rekindle some bashing about LU. Unlike Coastal and the looming So Carolina presence, LU is carving out an identify with UVA being 65 miles away and VT about 20 miles more.

How's Coastal doing with it's FBS success, http://www.goccusports.com/sports/m-foot...17aaa.html

"The game Saturday evening was played before a CCU-record 13,274. The win was also CCU's first over an FBS program, going 0-7 in such games in this the 15th year of Chanticleer football."

13,274. Hmmmm. Bash LU all you want Chants fans. Your energy would be better spent building a fan base and attempting to carve out an identity from underneath your looming big brother university.

Let me give the cliff notes version of this post:

1. "Coastal fans are obsessed with Liberty and Liberty fans have moved on. We are better than the sun belt."

2. "Let me give a bunch of reasons why I think Coastal sucks compared to Liberty....balls blah blah blah blah...."

3. "But for real....Liberty fans have moved on. Why are Coastal fans so obsessed with Liberty?"

Pretty funny that he is doing exactly what he thinks others are doing.

I wish Liberty the best. Their success doesn't impact us one way or the other.

(09-06-2017 05:49 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  I get that Coastal is a good fit for the SBC. A better fit than LU for reasons that have been discussed on hundreds of times in threads and post. It's so ironic that some Coastal fans are so apoplectic when any Liberty posts is made. LU's trajectory as an indy is greater than if LU had been a SBC member. Literally ALL LU fans realize the Benson LU SBC desire was a bad choice. LU fans have moved on. But some Coastal fans see to want to continue to stir the pot to attempt to rekindle some bashing about LU. Unlike Coastal and the looming So Carolina presence, LU is carving out an identify with UVA being 65 miles away and VT about 20 miles more.

How's Coastal doing with it's FBS success, http://www.goccusports.com/sports/m-foot...17aaa.html

"The game Saturday evening was played before a CCU-record 13,274. The win was also CCU's first over an FBS program, going 0-7 in such games in this the 15th year of Chanticleer football."

13,274. Hmmmm. Bash LU all you want Chants fans. Your energy would be better spent building a fan base and attempting to carve out an identity from underneath your looming big brother university.

We know we have work to do and are contributing to improve many facets of the school and football program. No one expected it to be easy or to happen over night but we are well on our way. Your energy would be better spent helping Liberty achieve its own goals. Best of luck to you.

You have always been a good man, Rok. But I would beg to differ on one point: We still compete for recruits. Congrats on Godfrey because we would have loved to have him.

Ad for the record, as an indenpendent we have been able to schedule home games with P5s for no money in almost every situation. We just had to do 2-for-1s which in itself has revenue implications. But the consistent suggestions that we are buying our scheduking are not aligned with the facts. The ODU deal was an outlier forced by timing as was the in-season home-and-home with NMSU. Scheduling has been much easier than any of us expected.

And Rok brings up a good point. We still have relatively easy access to NCAA bids through the Big South. We're getting the best of both worlds until the next major realignment when we will be well positioned. Coastal will make a nice fit longterm for the SBC. They will eventually build a fanbase but in the meantime they'll be competitive across the board especially in baseball and mens soccer.

(09-06-2017 12:08 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Meanwhile, Utah with a smaller local fan base and a much smaller national following was invited to the Pac-12 and BYU wasn't.

Utah is located in the largest city in the state and is the flagship university.

In the 8 years leading up to the Pac-12 expansion, Utah had an 80-22 record, a Sugar Bowl and a Fiesta Bowl win, five Top 25 finishes, and twice finished ranked in the Top 5.

BYU is in the third-largest city in Utah. Not a flagship school.

BYU went 65-36 in that same span, had zero major bowl appearances, had four Top 25 rankings, and never finished ranked in the Top 10.

Politics and religious affiliations aside, who would you have picked if you were the Pac-12? The answer is obvious.

BYU obviously!

Higher academics.

Much larger fanbase.

More stories football history.

Overall better athletics.

Much larger venues and crowds.

Much larger endowment.

Bigotry and politics would be the only reason not to take BYU!

Idk why we've got to go back and forth about LU vs CCU. Both had big wins for their schools this weekend, both are excelling with what they've been given and both look to have bright futures. No need to bash when both schools have a lot to be proud of.

(09-06-2017 10:26 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  You have always been a good man, Rok. But I would beg to differ on one point: We still compete for recruits. Congrats on Godfrey because we would have loved to have him.

Ad for the record, as an indenpendent we have been able to schedule home games with P5s for no money in almost every situation. We just had to do 2-for-1s which in itself has revenue implications. But the consistent suggestions that we are buying our scheduking are not aligned with the facts. The ODU deal was an outlier forced by timing as was the in-season home-and-home with NMSU. Scheduling has been much easier than any of us expected.

And Rok brings up a good point. We still have relatively easy access to NCAA bids through the Big South. We're getting the best of both worlds until the next major realignment when we will be well positioned. Coastal will make a nice fit longterm for the SBC. They will eventually build a fanbase but in the meantime they'll be competitive across the board especially in baseball and mens soccer.

True, we'll overlap some on recruits but there are dozens of schools we each will be recruiting against. I don't see that being significant.

I see you guys locking up some of those P5 schools schedules as more significant but not a big deal in the grand scheme.