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Damn it, I promised myself I was done with this site, but here I go again...that's what happens when you can't sleep.

7, you make the comment: "Ask anyone who attended a practice in the fall and Graham was clearly the guy". But, this comment is not consistent with statements you made just a few weeks ago: "based off the two practices I saw, I would give a slight edge to Santa, but he wasn't THAT much better than Graham"

I get why Carey started Graham against BC, I would have too, for the very reasons you mentioned in the past... You (7) summarized it pretty well when you said:
"Here's the best way I could break it down:
Graham gives you the least amount of bad, but he gives us less noticeably good than Santa; Santa gives you the most amount of good, but he'll give you more bad than Graham; I saw the least amount of good and the most amount of bad from Childers...I would say I'm back on team Santa after the last two days because he was a little better and I think he has more upside"

From what I could gather from your posts, you went to one more practice after the two you commented on, and at that practice apparently Graham was sharp and Santa was bad; if I am keeping score on who did better in camp based on the practices you saw and reported on, it was Santa 2 Graham 1... I am not sure how that makes Graham "clearly the guy".

I also agree with this statement you made, "As for Graham, he wasn't great but I don't agree with this seemingly overwhelming thought he was god awful".
So although I agree with much of what you are saying, I am also confused as hell.

Here is the real dilemma Carey has, Graham was Graham against BC; again he played his heart out, but that (BC) is what you are going to get from Graham; he did not do bad enough to lose his starting spot. Santa is only going to get more consistent, and eliminate "the bad stuff" by playing. Graham will play against EIU and will likely do okay. That will make it two games in which Santa looses valuable opportunities to gain experience. With every rep Graham gets that Santa doesn't the road to consistentcy (for Santa) becomes that much more challenging. Carey has to win now, he is battling for his coaching life; he does not have the luxury of developing potential. He is clearly banking on the hope that if Graham can be just okay, there is enough good with this team to win the 7-8 games necessary to keep his job. I don't envy the position Carey is in; whatever he does, he is going to be wrong.
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7, you make the comment: "Ask anyone who attended a practice in the fall and Graham was clearly the guy". But, this comment is not consistent with statements you made just a few weeks ago: "based off the two practices I saw, I would give a slight edge to Santa, but he wasn't THAT much better than Graham"

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Im convinced that when Carey makes up his mind who he thinks will give him the least amount of bad, he doesn't care what amount of good anyone else can give. I don't believe Coach Carey has a way to measure the amount of good, he isn't interested in it. I don't think a guy like Childers was even given a chance. It terrifies me how much untapped potential has likely come through the program under Carey using the rationale you outline above.....the type of thinking that goes "how can we maximize our potential to be not be embarrassed". That's not the hard way, that's the coward's way.
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(09-03-2017 11:36 PM)7 Wrote:  He was terrible last year, but I'm not willing to concede Friday wasn't a step in the right direction. He may be a pud, probably is really.

Let's see how he does against EIU and really the big test will be San Diego State.

If he's bad against EIU, I'll be with you. And if he's bad against EIU I think you'll see santa.


Graham had a 39% completion percentage in an offense that is mostly swing passes and bubble screens. He threw several easy short passes in the dirt or wayy behind his WR

Yes, he did have one nice run and a couple decent throws, but there were more "wtf was that!?" than cheers

To say that a QB took a step in the right direction after completing 39% of his passes is a reach. I agree with the post above from Djud, it's clear to everyone besides Carey that Graham isn't the answer. He has had every shot in the world to prove he can be the guy and hasn't. Let a young guy get the reps and set us up for the future. We had a good enough D this year where we can afford to do it.

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The bottom line on this is really if we have no other options better than graham, well that falls on the shoulders of one man, Roderick. His cupboard is bare at this point and yes I can going to blame him for that.


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I tend to lean with 7 and agree for the most part that the sky is not falling. However, the BC game really is driving me crazy. We had so many chances to win this game. I, like many of you were just waiting for the disappointment of not winning. I have been conditioned for it, but these type of games recently we have tended to be close but no cigar. As we fight for credibility and fans it makes it tough.

I just want Carey to play the best athletes, have trust in the potential high side and not worry so much about the low side. For our program to get big wins we have to be aggressive and get the best athletes on the field and let them go for it.
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I will add that both our lines looked great. I think this bodes well for the rest of the season. If we get D line pressure our secondary is going to make some big plays.
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(09-04-2017 12:06 AM)7 Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 11:50 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Sorry, I disagree with 7 100%. The board is usually worse than this, but that 's because the fans' expectations have been lowered significantly since we found out that Graham was anointed the starter even though his upside is more limited than anyone else at the QB position. Where is the reason for optimism? I understand that the rest of the team LOOKS good but realize that BC is inept on offense and half the MAC will have a better and more experienced QB than BC has right now. I do think the offensive line did well, but what good will it do if Graham can't hit anyone even with all the time in the world. The defense looked pretty good but we'll see what happens when they're faced with a better QB.

For me, the issue in the BC game wasn't necessarily that Carey was too conservative. For me, the issue was that when we got close to field goal range we decided to launch a deep throw that we had to know by that point had little chance of succeeding, even if the WR was open, instead of trying to get a first down or closer in for an easier field goal range. We all knew that every point was going to be critical against BC but we seemed to not care whether we could kick a FG or how far it was.

I think most people on here are just being realistic.
I don't think people are being realistic at all. Honestly, the majority of the posts on here are the same "blame the coach" posts after just about every loss no matter who the coach is. Look what most of the complaints are in this thread, not being aggressive enough, too many QB runs, etc. No offense to anyone, but if you think Graham is bad (and like everyone does) and in the same time you want Carey and company to be aggressive at the end of the half, that's just stupid. Common logic would tell you if you don't trust your QB to be conservative and protect him. Statistically, we can literally look at the stats and see Graham running was far and away NIU's most effective play. It's just true.

Your post I can respect because it's more than just your typical blah blah blah not aggressive enough. Throwing a low percentage pass to the end zone in that situation I can totally see you ripping the coach for. Not for not being aggressive though, that is being aggressive.

Go back to the sequence I talked about to start the 4th. They threw a bomb to Blake on 3rd and 2 and then went for it on 4th and 2. Is that not being aggressive? Sure, the jet sweep to Beebe was a terrible call but then rip Coach U for it because Carey doesn't call the plays.

If losing on a missed 33 yard field goal to an ACC team and calling for the coach to be fired is "realistic," I'm sorry, I can't agree with that. As I said, even at their peak NIU has always struggled to beat P5 teams, including a Kansas program which was way worse than BC is now.

Sure, they'll play MAC teams with better offenses/QBs than BC. Toledo for sure and probably WMU (although their QB threw for like 50 yards against USC), but that is also going to be easily the best defense they will play all year.

It was a game they could have won that they didn't, which sucks. Be upset about it, you should be. But NIU went 5-7 last year and they preformed better than they did against BC two years ago. So what's there to lose your **** over?

I feel like I'm making posts with legit facts to back them up in this thread and being met with nothing but hysteria, and maybe I should know better than trying, but I just don't get it.

IMO, NIU looked like a better team last night than they did in the opener against Wyoming last year. Both sides of NIU's line got dominated against Wyoming last year, and that was far from the case last night.

The QB issue is an issue that is not going away, but IMO everything other than that was a positive.

I guess the last thing I'll say is, before the game everybody would have expected this game to be a close, low scoring game. That's exactly what it was. NIU ended up losing because their kicker missed a FG he should have made.

Hitting the panic button over that? Nah, not realistic at all.

Again, they'll be fine. Not 10-2 fine, but 7-5 and make a bowl fine. I get the feeling that won't be good enough for this place either.
I got your back 7. You are the voice of reason in the sea of "fire rod". I see emotion cloud our fan bases' judgement. The QBs do not have much experience yet. The hope is we get to see the backups perform on Saturday and gain valuable experience. It is how Lynch learned.

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(09-04-2017 12:10 AM)7 Wrote:  I guess it's probably the same place as always but there's just more losing now than there used to be. People were calling for Carey to be fired after the damn Marshall game because they lost a bowl game.

Just come with more substance than "be more aggressive" and "stop running the QB."

They didn't just lose a bowl. We got smacked around like we didn't belong on the field. Just like Bowling Green MAC title game and Boise State bowl game. Carey inherited a great program and the drop has been significant. QB issues are his to own because he can't recruit. We should have been getting stud QB recruits after everyone saw what Harnish and Lynch did at NIU (and Lynch going to the Heisman ceremony). Now five years later we are supposed to praise him because his recruiting is finally getting better?
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In their last set of downs, I was hoping the Huskies would run the ball up the middle a few times to, at least, keep the defense honest. Even if they did not get a first down, a few extra yards forward and that FG attempt might have cleared the crossbar.

As for all of the doom and gloom picks about how the season is over, I don't play that. I believe the line predicted BC by three and that is exactly what happened. Unless BC has a monster season, it blows NIU's chances of going to a BCS game, but how many of us were counting on that?

I thought the Huskie defense played very aggressively, with good penetration and going after the ball on the passes. I think they will be even better vs MAC defenses. We will see what happens when they go up against an opponent with a smaller O-line in EIU.
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Eastern Illinois should not be our measuring stick for whether Graham should stay our starting QB or not. Graham has had plenty of playing time. We already know what Graham is, he is a QB that does nothing well. He has major accuracy issues (beyond 15 yards, throwing on the run, and throwing long sideline passes). EiU will not change what we already know he is.
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(09-04-2017 09:12 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Eastern Illinois should not be our measuring stick for whether Graham should stay our starting QB or not. Graham has had plenty of playing time. We already know what Graham is, he is a QB that does nothing well. He has major accuracy issues (beyond 15 yards, throwing on the run, and throwing long sideline passes). EiU will not change what we already know he is.

Well if he does poorly against Eastern that should certainly be a better indicator than what he does against a defense like BC. Though I generally agree with you. It's a pretty low bar - though I don't know how good EIU is supposed to be this year. At least they don't have Garrapolo (sp?) anymore.
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(09-04-2017 08:52 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 12:10 AM)7 Wrote:  I guess it's probably the same place as always but there's just more losing now than there used to be. People were calling for Carey to be fired after the damn Marshall game because they lost a bowl game.

Just come with more substance than "be more aggressive" and "stop running the QB."

They didn't just lose a bowl. We got smacked around like we didn't belong on the field. Just like Bowling Green MAC title game and Boise State bowl game. Carey inherited a great program and the drop has been significant. QB issues are his to own because he can't recruit. We should have been getting stud QB recruits after everyone saw what Harnish and Lynch did at NIU (and Lynch going to the Heisman ceremony). Now five years later we are supposed to praise him because his recruiting is finally getting better?

This kind if thinking is the root of the Carey hate. The idea that NIU was on its way to greatness. It never was. Carey didn't inherit a great program. NIU has never been great. Miami wasnt headed to greatness after Ben. CMU wasnt headed to greatness after Lefouvre. And WMU is not headed to greatness after Fleck. And no, we shouldnt have stud QBs lined up to come here after Harnish and Lynch. This program caught lightening in a bottle and had its moment....just like every single other MAC program who had a few great years.
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(09-04-2017 10:51 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:52 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 12:10 AM)7 Wrote:  I guess it's probably the same place as always but there's just more losing now than there used to be. People were calling for Carey to be fired after the damn Marshall game because they lost a bowl game.

Just come with more substance than "be more aggressive" and "stop running the QB."

They didn't just lose a bowl. We got smacked around like we didn't belong on the field. Just like Bowling Green MAC title game and Boise State bowl game. Carey inherited a great program and the drop has been significant. QB issues are his to own because he can't recruit. We should have been getting stud QB recruits after everyone saw what Harnish and Lynch did at NIU (and Lynch going to the Heisman ceremony). Now five years later we are supposed to praise him because his recruiting is finally getting better?

This kind if thinking is the root of the Carey hate. The idea that NIU was on its way to greatness. It never was. Carey didn't inherit a great program. NIU has never been great. Miami wasnt headed to greatness after Ben. CMU wasnt headed to greatness after Lefouvre. And WMU is not headed to greatness after Fleck. And no, we shouldnt have stud QBs lined up to come here after Harnish and Lynch. This program caught lightening in a bottle and had its moment....just like every single other MAC program who had a few great years.

And this type of thinking is exactly why Carey is still our head coach. Gosh forbid anyone expect better than mediocrity. We shouldn't beat low level major schools, we shouldn't beat other good mid-major schools. We are just a MAC school. We should be grateful Carey even wanted to be our head coach. He could have had so many other head coaching opportunities but thankfully he picked us.
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(09-04-2017 10:56 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 10:51 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:52 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 12:10 AM)7 Wrote:  I guess it's probably the same place as always but there's just more losing now than there used to be. People were calling for Carey to be fired after the damn Marshall game because they lost a bowl game.

Just come with more substance than "be more aggressive" and "stop running the QB."

They didn't just lose a bowl. We got smacked around like we didn't belong on the field. Just like Bowling Green MAC title game and Boise State bowl game. Carey inherited a great program and the drop has been significant. QB issues are his to own because he can't recruit. We should have been getting stud QB recruits after everyone saw what Harnish and Lynch did at NIU (and Lynch going to the Heisman ceremony). Now five years later we are supposed to praise him because his recruiting is finally getting better?

This kind if thinking is the root of the Carey hate. The idea that NIU was on its way to greatness. It never was. Carey didn't inherit a great program. NIU has never been great. Miami wasnt headed to greatness after Ben. CMU wasnt headed to greatness after Lefouvre. And WMU is not headed to greatness after Fleck. And no, we shouldnt have stud QBs lined up to come here after Harnish and Lynch. This program caught lightening in a bottle and had its moment....just like every single other MAC program who had a few great years.

And this type of thinking is exactly why Carey is still our head coach. Gosh forbid anyone expect better than mediocrity. We shouldn't beat low level major schools, we shouldn't beat other good mid-major schools. We are just a MAC school. We should be grateful Carey even wanted to be our head coach. He could have had so many other head coaching opportunities but thankfully he picked us.

People are still arguing about the Marshall game? jesus, let it go. Having lynch as our QB we probably don't beat that Marshall team. That was the best team they had in YEARS, we ran into a buzz saw.
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(09-04-2017 10:56 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 10:51 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:52 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 12:10 AM)7 Wrote:  I guess it's probably the same place as always but there's just more losing now than there used to be. People were calling for Carey to be fired after the damn Marshall game because they lost a bowl game.

Just come with more substance than "be more aggressive" and "stop running the QB."

They didn't just lose a bowl. We got smacked around like we didn't belong on the field. Just like Bowling Green MAC title game and Boise State bowl game. Carey inherited a great program and the drop has been significant. QB issues are his to own because he can't recruit. We should have been getting stud QB recruits after everyone saw what Harnish and Lynch did at NIU (and Lynch going to the Heisman ceremony). Now five years later we are supposed to praise him because his recruiting is finally getting better?

This kind if thinking is the root of the Carey hate. The idea that NIU was on its way to greatness. It never was. Carey didn't inherit a great program. NIU has never been great. Miami wasnt headed to greatness after Ben. CMU wasnt headed to greatness after Lefouvre. And WMU is not headed to greatness after Fleck. And no, we shouldnt have stud QBs lined up to come here after Harnish and Lynch. This program caught lightening in a bottle and had its moment....just like every single other MAC program who had a few great years.

And this type of thinking is exactly why Carey is still our head coach. Gosh forbid anyone expect better than mediocrity. We shouldn't beat low level major schools, we shouldn't beat other good mid-major schools. We are just a MAC school. We should be grateful Carey even wanted to be our head coach. He could have had so many other head coaching opportunities but thankfully he picked us.

We have mediocre facilities, mediocre fan base, less than mediocre media coverage, a less than mediocre conference, less than mediocre funding, a far less than mediocre college state, a less than mediocre college town, mediocre recruiting....sure, I guess I see why we should be far better than mediocre.
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(09-04-2017 10:59 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 10:56 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 10:51 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:52 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 12:10 AM)7 Wrote:  I guess it's probably the same place as always but there's just more losing now than there used to be. People were calling for Carey to be fired after the damn Marshall game because they lost a bowl game.

Just come with more substance than "be more aggressive" and "stop running the QB."

They didn't just lose a bowl. We got smacked around like we didn't belong on the field. Just like Bowling Green MAC title game and Boise State bowl game. Carey inherited a great program and the drop has been significant. QB issues are his to own because he can't recruit. We should have been getting stud QB recruits after everyone saw what Harnish and Lynch did at NIU (and Lynch going to the Heisman ceremony). Now five years later we are supposed to praise him because his recruiting is finally getting better?

This kind if thinking is the root of the Carey hate. The idea that NIU was on its way to greatness. It never was. Carey didn't inherit a great program. NIU has never been great. Miami wasnt headed to greatness after Ben. CMU wasnt headed to greatness after Lefouvre. And WMU is not headed to greatness after Fleck. And no, we shouldnt have stud QBs lined up to come here after Harnish and Lynch. This program caught lightening in a bottle and had its moment....just like every single other MAC program who had a few great years.

And this type of thinking is exactly why Carey is still our head coach. Gosh forbid anyone expect better than mediocrity. We shouldn't beat low level major schools, we shouldn't beat other good mid-major schools. We are just a MAC school. We should be grateful Carey even wanted to be our head coach. He could have had so many other head coaching opportunities but thankfully he picked us.

People are still arguing about the Marshall game? jesus, let it go. Having lynch as our QB we probably don't beat that Marshall team. That was the best team they had in YEARS, we ran into a buzz saw.

Our odds would have been pretty good with Lynch. In that game Hare was still missing open receivers, even when he had time to throw. And of course Hare wasn't close to Lynch running the ball.
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(09-03-2017 11:36 PM)7 Wrote:  He was terrible last year, but I'm not willing to concede Friday wasn't a step in the right direction. He may be a pud, probably is really.

Let's see how he does against EIU and really the big test will be San Diego State.

If he's bad against EIU, I'll be with you. And if he's bad against EIU I think you'll see santa.

This scenario illustrates my point about Carey's dilemma. Carey is now almost to the point where he has to pick a lane, and has to stay with it. Assuming you are right, if Graham is ineffective against EIU, Santa's 2nd career start would come against Nebraska; talk about putting a kid in a tough situation. One crazy scenario could be if Graham stays healthy and just does okay, he could be your starter for this season and next; at that point if any other QB will be "developed" it will be Hall; you would not see Santa, Thompson or Childers. If that happens at least one of those three would surely transfer.
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(09-04-2017 11:00 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 10:56 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 10:51 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:52 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 12:10 AM)7 Wrote:  I guess it's probably the same place as always but there's just more losing now than there used to be. People were calling for Carey to be fired after the damn Marshall game because they lost a bowl game.

Just come with more substance than "be more aggressive" and "stop running the QB."

They didn't just lose a bowl. We got smacked around like we didn't belong on the field. Just like Bowling Green MAC title game and Boise State bowl game. Carey inherited a great program and the drop has been significant. QB issues are his to own because he can't recruit. We should have been getting stud QB recruits after everyone saw what Harnish and Lynch did at NIU (and Lynch going to the Heisman ceremony). Now five years later we are supposed to praise him because his recruiting is finally getting better?

This kind if thinking is the root of the Carey hate. The idea that NIU was on its way to greatness. It never was. Carey didn't inherit a great program. NIU has never been great. Miami wasnt headed to greatness after Ben. CMU wasnt headed to greatness after Lefouvre. And WMU is not headed to greatness after Fleck. And no, we shouldnt have stud QBs lined up to come here after Harnish and Lynch. This program caught lightening in a bottle and had its moment....just like every single other MAC program who had a few great years.

And this type of thinking is exactly why Carey is still our head coach. Gosh forbid anyone expect better than mediocrity. We shouldn't beat low level major schools, we shouldn't beat other good mid-major schools. We are just a MAC school. We should be grateful Carey even wanted to be our head coach. He could have had so many other head coaching opportunities but thankfully he picked us.

We have mediocre facilities, mediocre fan base, less than mediocre media coverage, a less than mediocre conference, less than mediocre funding, a far less than mediocre college state, a less than mediocre college town, mediocre recruiting....sure, I guess I see why we should be far better than mediocre.

We had worse facilities, worse fan base, worse coverage, etc. in the past but that didn't stop good coaches like Novak, Kill, and Doeren from turning NIU into a mid-major power. Carey is a dud and we should expect more than mediocrity.
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(09-04-2017 11:01 AM)Djud Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 11:36 PM)7 Wrote:  He was terrible last year, but I'm not willing to concede Friday wasn't a step in the right direction. He may be a pud, probably is really.

Let's see how he does against EIU and really the big test will be San Diego State.

If he's bad against EIU, I'll be with you. And if he's bad against EIU I think you'll see santa.

This scenario illustrates my point about Carey's dilemma. Carey is now almost to the point where he has to pick a lane, and has to stay with it. Assuming you are right, if Graham is ineffective against EIU, Santa's 2nd career start would come against Nebraska; talk about putting a kid in a tough situation. One crazy scenario could be if Graham stays healthy and just does okay, he could be your starter for this season and next; at that point if any other QB will be "developed" it will be Hall; you would not see Santa, Thompson or Childers. If that happens at least one of those three would surely transfer.

Thats my concern...Graham is going to do "OK" and we are stuck with him. I need him to be great vs EIU to swing me back. Anything less than a stellar performance and I'll be convinced he will be terrible vs Nebraska. thats probably unfair to him, but he has a long way to go to win the fans over. He's put himself in that hole.
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RE: Boston College Game Thoughts
(09-04-2017 11:06 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 11:01 AM)Djud Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 11:36 PM)7 Wrote:  He was terrible last year, but I'm not willing to concede Friday wasn't a step in the right direction. He may be a pud, probably is really.

Let's see how he does against EIU and really the big test will be San Diego State.

If he's bad against EIU, I'll be with you. And if he's bad against EIU I think you'll see santa.

This scenario illustrates my point about Carey's dilemma. Carey is now almost to the point where he has to pick a lane, and has to stay with it. Assuming you are right, if Graham is ineffective against EIU, Santa's 2nd career start would come against Nebraska; talk about putting a kid in a tough situation. One crazy scenario could be if Graham stays healthy and just does okay, he could be your starter for this season and next; at that point if any other QB will be "developed" it will be Hall; you would not see Santa, Thompson or Childers. If that happens at least one of those three would surely transfer.

Thats my concern...Graham is going to do "OK" and we are stuck with him. I need him to be great vs EIU to swing me back. Anything less than a stellar performance and I'll be convinced he will be terrible vs Nebraska. thats probably unfair to him, but he has a long way to go to win the fans over. He's put himself in that hole.

He's not going to be great against EIU. He hasn't been great in any game he's played in. He may do ok but his limitations are still there after four years of development and coaching. He is a very inaccurate passer with no deep passing game.
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