(09-04-2017 10:35 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If USM hadn't started and played that inept QB for the whole 1st half, they would have won that game easily. Had Griggs started, UsM would have beat the hell out of Kentucky. Heck, had be played 3 quarters we would ave beat them easily.

In short, if our dumb*** coach starts Griggs the rest of the year, we will cut through CUSA like a hot knife through butter. Everything else is in place or will fall into place, with Griggs at QB. I'll give our coach credit for that and may even stop calling him a dumb***, but that decision to start and play Keon so longs is something that is just about unforgivable.

This team is as close to a "normal" USM team as I've seen in a long time (well, Monks last year was pretty close). Glad this conference full of newbs is about to finally get a good taste of it.

Unfortunately, if we go 13-1 / 12-2 / or even 11-3, we may be looking for a new coach again and back to Suckville.

Pardon me for asking, but if Griggs is so awesome, why couldn't he beat out the "inept" guy?

because dumb*** coach?

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(09-04-2017 11:58 AM)Stick4489 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 10:35 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If USM hadn't started and played that inept QB for the whole 1st half, they would have won that game easily. Had Griggs started, UsM would have beat the hell out of Kentucky. Heck, had be played 3 quarters we would ave beat them easily.

In short, if our dumb*** coach starts Griggs the rest of the year, we will cut through CUSA like a hot knife through butter. Everything else is in place or will fall into place, with Griggs at QB. I'll give our coach credit for that and may even stop calling him a dumb***, but that decision to start and play Keon so longs is something that is just about unforgivable.

This team is as close to a "normal" USM team as I've seen in a long time (well, Monks last year was pretty close). Glad this conference full of newbs is about to finally get a good taste of it.

Unfortunately, if we go 13-1 / 12-2 / or even 11-3, we may be looking for a new coach again and back to Suckville.

Pardon me for asking, but if Griggs is so awesome, why couldn't he beat out the "inept" guy?

He did by all pre-season scrimmages but got a finger on his throwing hand banged up and missed a week or so of practice. Coach Hopson said that is why they went with the guy they did. Perfectly understandable......but to go with the obviously wrong guy for a whole half was inexcusable. Should have replaced him after the first two poor series.

(09-03-2017 01:46 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 01:43 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 10:08 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Rice/UTEP: that tunnel is dark.

IMO it's too soon to throw Rice and UTEP out the window. Both teams played competition that was way better than anyone else in C-USA played. Since Rice is at UTEP this week, we still won't know how they stack up with the rest of the conference. Both could be really bad or both might still surprise a few teams.

I totally agree by far the best teams played. I would be more worried about losing to doormat east team at home

Key early matchup for inside track in the division race in El Paso this week. #PoolSharks

(09-03-2017 01:43 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 10:08 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Rice/UTEP: that tunnel is dark.

IMO it's too soon to throw Rice and UTEP out the window. Both teams played competition that was way better than anyone else in C-USA played. Since Rice is at UTEP this week, we still won't know how they stack up with the rest of the conference. Both could be really bad or both might still surprise a few teams.

Rice has been a basket case since November 2015, so they should have been thrown out the window a while ago - same old garbage this year. We should have left Bailiff with the kangaroos and koalas after last weekend, but hopefully he can join Kugler in the unemployment line after next weekend. Thank God there's no video available for the game.

How does FIU losing to UCF 61-17 warrant a 'there is light' comment? They lost last year 53-14. Technically, that's a step back.

(09-03-2017 05:17 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 10:08 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  USM: lost the turnover battle again, played bad special teams, and still almost won. Should have won this one.

MTU: Vanderbilt totally shut you down. Shutdown what was supposed to be an offensive juggernaut. Stockstill called it a "mismatch". Vandy might be good.

Charlotte: Keep building.

UAB: Might have a decent defense to build around. Lots of TFLs. 45k SHOWED UP! OMG! HOW DID YOU DO THAT???

ODU: Yuck. Nice defense, but those offensive numbers are pretty bad.

Marshall: Got some breaks in a hard-fought win. Hopefully the start of something big. NCSU will be an interesting measuring stick.

UNT: outclassed their opponent. Needed blowout in the building process. SMU, your next opponent, did the same thing. You need to beat them to be taken seriously in-state, and to send them spiraling.

La Tech: passing stats are mediocre. NWSU is not a bad FCS program, but they hung around too long. Good warm-up for MSU though.

WKU: stats aren't too pretty, but you shut down their running game. The Illini barely beat Ball State. You'll need to play better to beat them.

Rice/UTEP: that tunnel is dark.

FIU/FAU: hey, there's a light!

UTSA: better luck next week, against Baylor, which lost to Liberty!

While ODU didnt look good, three quarters of the game was in a bad rain storm. Hard to play well in those conditions.

That excuse does not fly. FAU had three lightning breaks (and the driving rain for most of the game after the first quarter) but you won't see us using that excuse. We just sucked more than usual.

(09-04-2017 03:54 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 05:17 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 10:08 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  USM: lost the turnover battle again, played bad special teams, and still almost won. Should have won this one.

MTU: Vanderbilt totally shut you down. Shutdown what was supposed to be an offensive juggernaut. Stockstill called it a "mismatch". Vandy might be good.

Charlotte: Keep building.

UAB: Might have a decent defense to build around. Lots of TFLs. 45k SHOWED UP! OMG! HOW DID YOU DO THAT???

ODU: Yuck. Nice defense, but those offensive numbers are pretty bad.

Marshall: Got some breaks in a hard-fought win. Hopefully the start of something big. NCSU will be an interesting measuring stick.

UNT: outclassed their opponent. Needed blowout in the building process. SMU, your next opponent, did the same thing. You need to beat them to be taken seriously in-state, and to send them spiraling.

La Tech: passing stats are mediocre. NWSU is not a bad FCS program, but they hung around too long. Good warm-up for MSU though.

WKU: stats aren't too pretty, but you shut down their running game. The Illini barely beat Ball State. You'll need to play better to beat them.

Rice/UTEP: that tunnel is dark.

FIU/FAU: hey, there's a light!

UTSA: better luck next week, against Baylor, which lost to Liberty!

While ODU didnt look good, three quarters of the game was in a bad rain storm. Hard to play well in those conditions.

That excuse does not fly. FAU had three lightning breaks (and the driving rain for most of the game after the first quarter) but you won't see us using that excuse. We just sucked more than usual.

Yeah but we won our game.

(09-04-2017 10:35 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If USM hadn't started and played that inept QB for the whole 1st half, they would have won that game easily. Had Griggs started, UsM would have beat the hell out of Kentucky. Heck, had be played 3 quarters we would ave beat them easily.

In short, if our dumb*** coach starts Griggs the rest of the year, we will cut through CUSA like a hot knife through butter. Everything else is in place or will fall into place, with Griggs at QB. I'll give our coach credit for that and may even stop calling him a dumb***, but that decision to start and play Keon so longs is something that is just about unforgivable.

This team is as close to a "normal" USM team as I've seen in a long time (well, Monks last year was pretty close). Glad this conference full of newbs is about to finally get a good taste of it.

Unfortunately, if we go 13-1 / 12-2 / or even 11-3, we may be looking for a new coach again and back to Suckville.

I bet if I checked back to the 1st week of the season last year....you probably said something similar.

How about S. Miss win their first game before worrying about cutting through CUSA with a 9-0 record

You do realize this all world qb lead S. Miss to 14 points and to be honest I did not watch it other than the first 25 minutes but I did listen to it. But going by the stats this all world QB really just put 1 drive together.

3 plays -7 yards punt
6 plays td on a 42 yds for a TD
6 plays 27 yards ...turned it over on downs
3 plays 25 yards fumble
6 plays 43 yards punt
11 plays 75 yards TD
4 plays -10 yards turned it over on downs

So with a all world QB S. Miss put points on the board in 28% of their drives. uk's defense could be the best in the SEC for all I know...doubt it but hey had to be some reason S. Miss only put 14 points on the board in 7 drives.


As I said I only watched about 25 minutes of the game but if we are being honest uk's QB was no better than the one S. Miss started. Might be 2 of the worse passing QBs in college FB. So S. Miss basically didn't need to worry about the pass....uk only attempted around 7 passes in the 2nd half.

I didn't get to see S. Miss with their all world QB but if S. Miss averages 55 yards rushing on 38 carries....probably going to need better production than what S. Miss got.

Kwadra Grigg hit 15/26 passes for 222yards 8.5 avg and 2 tds with a qb rating of 64 but let put that in context.

uk's qb who looked just as awful as Keon Howard in the limited time I saw him had a qb rating of 63 and 11/20 176 8.8 avg

Below is half of uks 2nd half drives the other three had 5 maybe 6 pass att. uk was basically playing clock most of the 2nd half

1st and 10 at UK 46

(5:30 - 3rd) Stephen Johnson pass complete to C.J. Conrad for 15 yds to the SoMis 39 for a 1ST down
1st and 10 at USM 39

(5:30 - 3rd) Benny Snell Jr. run for 5 yds to the SoMis 34
2nd and 5 at USM 34

(5:30 - 3rd) Benny Snell Jr. run for 9 yds to the SoMis 25 for a 1ST down
1st and 10 at USM 25

(5:30 - 3rd) Benny Snell Jr. run for a loss of 1 yard to the SoMis 26
2nd and 11 at USM 26

(5:30 - 3rd) Benny Snell Jr. run for 5 yds to the SoMis 21
3rd and 6 at USM 21

(5:30 - 3rd) Stephen Johnson run for a loss of 2 yards to the SoMis 23
4th and 8 at USM 23

(2:03 - 3rd) Austin MacGinnis 41 yd FG GOOD
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1st and 10 at UK 13

(5:02 - 4th) KENTUCKY Penalty, false start (Greg Hart) to the Kent 8
1st and 15 at UK 8

(5:02 - 4th) Benny Snell Jr. run for 8 yds to the Kent 16 for a 1ST down SOUTHERN MISS Penalty, unsportsmanlike conduct (Draper Riley) to the Kent 31 for a 1ST down
1st and 10 at UK 31

(5:02 - 4th) Sihiem King run for 3 yds to the Kent 34
2nd and 7 at UK 34

(5:02 - 4th) Benny Snell Jr. run for 1 yd to the Kent 35
3rd and 6 at UK 35

(5:02 - 4th) KENTUCKY Penalty, false start (Landon Young) to the Kent 30
3rd and 11 at UK 30

(5:02 - 4th) Stephen Johnson CU pass incomplete to Charles Walker, PENALTY USM holding (DOUGLAS, Kelsey) 10 yards to the UK40, 1ST DOWN UK, NO PLAY.
1st and 10 at UK 40

(5:02 - 4th) Benny Snell Jr. run for 3 yds to the Kent 43
2nd and 7 at UK 43

(5:02 - 4th) Benny Snell Jr. run for no gain to the Kent 43

(2:00 - 4th) Timeout SOUTHERN MISS, clock 02:00
3rd and 7 at UK 43

(2:00 - 4th) Stephen Johnson run for 4 yds to the Kent 47

(1:48 - 4th) Timeout SOUTHERN MISS, clock 01:48
4th and 3 at UK 47

(1:48 - 4th) Matt Panton punt for 42 yds , Allenzae Staggers returns for 7 yds to the SOUMISS 46 SOUTHERN MISS Penalty, illegal block (7 Yards) declined
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1st and Goal at USM 1

(0:47 - 4th) TEAM run for no gain to the SoMis 1

End of 4th Quarter

Tech: Didn't look good. Looked sloppy and young. I think a lot of us hoped we wouldn't have the "reloading year", but it kind of looked like this year is about the future. I still expect us to make a bowl game and be in the mix for the west. I'm much less confident about our chances for the next three weeks. Counting on that Week 1-2 improvement.
WKU: Didn't look as sharp as you would hope, but nice win that was never really in question. Chance to make a statement this week.
Marshall: Best win in week 1. I think Marshall is back on track and will be back in the mix for east champ.
USM: Hate to see that one get away. Tough loss, but some bright spots and USM will be a force in the West.
MTSU: Tough loss, but I think it was more about Vandy being much better than expected. We will find out as the season goes on.
ODU & UNT: Nice comfortable win. Should be in the mix in the east/West.
Rice & UTEP: not much to see here. Played better teams than anyone else by a mile and didn't measure up. No one else would have either.
UAB: The return was impressive. I'll keep an eye on them as the season goes on, but UAB fans should be happy with the debut.
FAU & FIU: Not what you hoped for. Looks like success won't be immediate, but that shouldn't shock anyone.
Charlotte: basically the same as FIU and FAU. Still have work to do.
UTSA: I didn't learn anything from your postponed game with Houston. Keeping the cards close to the vest so we can't get a read on you.... well played. Hopefully everyone affected by the hurricane is starting their recovery.

(09-04-2017 11:58 AM)Stick4489 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 10:35 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If USM hadn't started and played that inept QB for the whole 1st half, they would have won that game easily. Had Griggs started, UsM would have beat the hell out of Kentucky. Heck, had be played 3 quarters we would ave beat them easily.

In short, if our dumb*** coach starts Griggs the rest of the year, we will cut through CUSA like a hot knife through butter. Everything else is in place or will fall into place, with Griggs at QB. I'll give our coach credit for that and may even stop calling him a dumb***, but that decision to start and play Keon so longs is something that is just about unforgivable.

This team is as close to a "normal" USM team as I've seen in a long time (well, Monks last year was pretty close). Glad this conference full of newbs is about to finally get a good taste of it.

Unfortunately, if we go 13-1 / 12-2 / or even 11-3, we may be looking for a new coach again and back to Suckville.

Pardon me for asking, but if Griggs is so awesome, why couldn't he beat out the "inept" guy?

IMO, the verdict is still out on Griggs. The play some of our receivers made on the ball was on poorly thrown passes. He did outplay Howard, but Howard doesn't appear to be that good. Griggs should have been able to clearly separate himself from Howard, pre-season, if he is that good. That said, I hope he can lead us to 10 wins, but I'm not sold yet.

If the attendance for the UK game is any indicator what to expect this Saturday, I'd say we have 16K. Disturbing.

(09-05-2017 01:02 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 11:58 AM)Stick4489 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 10:35 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If USM hadn't started and played that inept QB for the whole 1st half, they would have won that game easily. Had Griggs started, UsM would have beat the hell out of Kentucky. Heck, had be played 3 quarters we would ave beat them easily.

In short, if our dumb*** coach starts Griggs the rest of the year, we will cut through CUSA like a hot knife through butter. Everything else is in place or will fall into place, with Griggs at QB. I'll give our coach credit for that and may even stop calling him a dumb***, but that decision to start and play Keon so longs is something that is just about unforgivable.

This team is as close to a "normal" USM team as I've seen in a long time (well, Monks last year was pretty close). Glad this conference full of newbs is about to finally get a good taste of it.

Unfortunately, if we go 13-1 / 12-2 / or even 11-3, we may be looking for a new coach again and back to Suckville.

Pardon me for asking, but if Griggs is so awesome, why couldn't he beat out the "inept" guy?

IMO, the verdict is still out on Griggs. The play some of our receivers made on the ball was on poorly thrown passes. He did outplay Howard, but Howard doesn't appear to be that good. Griggs should have been able to clearly separate himself from Howard, pre-season, if he is that good. That said, I hope he can lead us to 10 wins, but I'm not sold yet.

If the attendance for the UK game is any indicator what to expect this Saturday, I'd say we have 16K. Disturbing.

Griggs is not Brett Favre but he looks it in comparison to Howard.
Howard was recruited by the current head coach. Griggs was recruited by the previous head coach. He let the team down last year by not doing his school work. There is some bad mojo I'm sure going on. Hopson wanted Howard to perform adequately so he could play the guy he wanted to play. He failed and now we got an adequate QB. Not a great one yet. Who knows with more experience he plays much better. BTW, how come the receivers didn't help Howard in the whole half he had?

(09-05-2017 01:13 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 01:02 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 11:58 AM)Stick4489 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 10:35 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If USM hadn't started and played that inept QB for the whole 1st half, they would have won that game easily. Had Griggs started, UsM would have beat the hell out of Kentucky. Heck, had be played 3 quarters we would ave beat them easily.

In short, if our dumb*** coach starts Griggs the rest of the year, we will cut through CUSA like a hot knife through butter. Everything else is in place or will fall into place, with Griggs at QB. I'll give our coach credit for that and may even stop calling him a dumb***, but that decision to start and play Keon so longs is something that is just about unforgivable.

This team is as close to a "normal" USM team as I've seen in a long time (well, Monks last year was pretty close). Glad this conference full of newbs is about to finally get a good taste of it.

Unfortunately, if we go 13-1 / 12-2 / or even 11-3, we may be looking for a new coach again and back to Suckville.

Pardon me for asking, but if Griggs is so awesome, why couldn't he beat out the "inept" guy?

IMO, the verdict is still out on Griggs. The play some of our receivers made on the ball was on poorly thrown passes. He did outplay Howard, but Howard doesn't appear to be that good. Griggs should have been able to clearly separate himself from Howard, pre-season, if he is that good. That said, I hope he can lead us to 10 wins, but I'm not sold yet.

If the attendance for the UK game is any indicator what to expect this Saturday, I'd say we have 16K. Disturbing.

Griggs is not Brett Favre but he looks it in comparison to Howard.
Howard was recruited by the current head coach. Griggs was recruited by the previous head coach. He let the team down last year by not doing his school work. There is some bad mojo I'm sure going on. Hopson wanted Howard to perform adequately so he could play the guy he wanted to play. He failed and now we got an adequate QB. Not a great one yet. Who knows with more experience he plays much better. BTW, how come the receivers didn't help Howard in the whole half he had?

Because 100% of passes that bounce on the ground before making it to the intended receiver are not caught by the intended receiver.

Unless the bounce pass becomes legal in football Howard's completion rate will remain very low.

(09-05-2017 01:13 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 01:02 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 11:58 AM)Stick4489 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 10:35 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If USM hadn't started and played that inept QB for the whole 1st half, they would have won that game easily. Had Griggs started, UsM would have beat the hell out of Kentucky. Heck, had be played 3 quarters we would ave beat them easily.

In short, if our dumb*** coach starts Griggs the rest of the year, we will cut through CUSA like a hot knife through butter. Everything else is in place or will fall into place, with Griggs at QB. I'll give our coach credit for that and may even stop calling him a dumb***, but that decision to start and play Keon so longs is something that is just about unforgivable.

This team is as close to a "normal" USM team as I've seen in a long time (well, Monks last year was pretty close). Glad this conference full of newbs is about to finally get a good taste of it.

Unfortunately, if we go 13-1 / 12-2 / or even 11-3, we may be looking for a new coach again and back to Suckville.

Pardon me for asking, but if Griggs is so awesome, why couldn't he beat out the "inept" guy?

IMO, the verdict is still out on Griggs. The play some of our receivers made on the ball was on poorly thrown passes. He did outplay Howard, but Howard doesn't appear to be that good. Griggs should have been able to clearly separate himself from Howard, pre-season, if he is that good. That said, I hope he can lead us to 10 wins, but I'm not sold yet.

If the attendance for the UK game is any indicator what to expect this Saturday, I'd say we have 16K. Disturbing.

Griggs is not Brett Favre but he looks it in comparison to Howard.
Howard was recruited by the current head coach. Griggs was recruited by the previous head coach. He let the team down last year by not doing his school work. There is some bad mojo I'm sure going on. Hopson wanted Howard to perform adequately so he could play the guy he wanted to play. He failed and now we got an adequate QB. Not a great one yet. Who knows with more experience he plays much better. BTW, how come the receivers didn't help Howard in the whole half he had?

I didn't say they didn't help Howard, just that some of Griggs passes were not good and receivers making better plays. Howard gave receivers less chances, with just 14 pass attempts.

(09-05-2017 01:42 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 01:13 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 01:02 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 11:58 AM)Stick4489 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 10:35 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If USM hadn't started and played that inept QB for the whole 1st half, they would have won that game easily. Had Griggs started, UsM would have beat the hell out of Kentucky. Heck, had be played 3 quarters we would ave beat them easily.

In short, if our dumb*** coach starts Griggs the rest of the year, we will cut through CUSA like a hot knife through butter. Everything else is in place or will fall into place, with Griggs at QB. I'll give our coach credit for that and may even stop calling him a dumb***, but that decision to start and play Keon so longs is something that is just about unforgivable.

This team is as close to a "normal" USM team as I've seen in a long time (well, Monks last year was pretty close). Glad this conference full of newbs is about to finally get a good taste of it.

Unfortunately, if we go 13-1 / 12-2 / or even 11-3, we may be looking for a new coach again and back to Suckville.

Pardon me for asking, but if Griggs is so awesome, why couldn't he beat out the "inept" guy?

IMO, the verdict is still out on Griggs. The play some of our receivers made on the ball was on poorly thrown passes. He did outplay Howard, but Howard doesn't appear to be that good. Griggs should have been able to clearly separate himself from Howard, pre-season, if he is that good. That said, I hope he can lead us to 10 wins, but I'm not sold yet.

If the attendance for the UK game is any indicator what to expect this Saturday, I'd say we have 16K. Disturbing.

Griggs is not Brett Favre but he looks it in comparison to Howard.
Howard was recruited by the current head coach. Griggs was recruited by the previous head coach. He let the team down last year by not doing his school work. There is some bad mojo I'm sure going on. Hopson wanted Howard to perform adequately so he could play the guy he wanted to play. He failed and now we got an adequate QB. Not a great one yet. Who knows with more experience he plays much better. BTW, how come the receivers didn't help Howard in the whole half he had?

I didn't say they didn't help Howard, just that some of Griggs passes were not good and receivers making better plays. Howard gave receivers less chances, with just 14 pass attempts.

Whatever......if you think Griggs' success was due to great receivers so be it. That's fine with me. In that case we need someone who can give them a chance to shine and it is obvious it is Griggs.

(09-05-2017 02:01 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 01:42 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 01:13 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 01:02 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 11:58 AM)Stick4489 Wrote:  Pardon me for asking, but if Griggs is so awesome, why couldn't he beat out the "inept" guy?

IMO, the verdict is still out on Griggs. The play some of our receivers made on the ball was on poorly thrown passes. He did outplay Howard, but Howard doesn't appear to be that good. Griggs should have been able to clearly separate himself from Howard, pre-season, if he is that good. That said, I hope he can lead us to 10 wins, but I'm not sold yet.

If the attendance for the UK game is any indicator what to expect this Saturday, I'd say we have 16K. Disturbing.

Griggs is not Brett Favre but he looks it in comparison to Howard.
Howard was recruited by the current head coach. Griggs was recruited by the previous head coach. He let the team down last year by not doing his school work. There is some bad mojo I'm sure going on. Hopson wanted Howard to perform adequately so he could play the guy he wanted to play. He failed and now we got an adequate QB. Not a great one yet. Who knows with more experience he plays much better. BTW, how come the receivers didn't help Howard in the whole half he had?

I didn't say they didn't help Howard, just that some of Griggs passes were not good and receivers making better plays. Howard gave receivers less chances, with just 14 pass attempts.

Whatever......if you think Griggs' success was due to great receivers so be it. That's fine with me. In that case we need someone who can give them a chance to shine and it is obvious it is Griggs.

Its obvious its not Howard. See, we say the same thing without saying the same thing.

(09-05-2017 01:42 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  I didn't say they didn't help Howard, just that some of Griggs passes were not good and receivers making better plays. Howard gave receivers less chances, with just 14 pass attempts.

It's very simple.. yes, you want your QB to be accurate as possible, however, and I want to say it was ( I believe), either Drew Brees or Tom Brady who said, even when they was off on his throws, he was going to make sure that his receivers at least had a chance to make a play on the ball.

So far, everything I've heard and read about Howard's passing (again, I'm worried we're looking at Alford-Part Deux with Howard), WR's didn't even have a _chance_ to make a play for a ball (The lame duck 45 yard pass not withstanding). Griggs at least was putting the ball where they had a chance to make a play. (And that's what good WR's do).

Does that mean Griggs played great? Nope.. but he definitely played better than Howard.